Was Bin Laden truly behind 911?

[ecstatic]

Or did he finally claim responsibility to further his own cause.

Bush said Bin Laden was behind the attacks almost immediately after they occured. I think that's why patriots like Cynthia McKinney asked Bush "what he knew and when" regarding the September 11th attacks.

In the beginning, Bin Laden denied it--which is strange, since most terrorist groups have no problem claiming responsibility for such acts.

[mhr]

1. Covert CIA Operation To Give The NEOCONS Their New Pearl Harbor

eom

[ecstatic]

4. i hope you're kidding

:-(

I'd like to think that even a man as evil as Mr. Bush would not stoop that low.

[unblock]

6. not necessarily shrub himself...

if some truly evil people (cheney? perle? wolfowitz?) engineered it, what would they need to inform shrub for?

on the other hand, i certainly can see him agreeing that those 3,000 lives would be 'acceptable' losses....

[leesa]

22. Oh please. Bush has no conscience, I'm sure he could not care less

if it cost three thousand lives to further his political career by making lots of dough for his wealthy friends in trumped up wars. You act as though this has never happened before in our country. I'm certain he has been in on the planning and execution. Why else would they desparately hide the energy discussions and battle so hard to keep 9-11 uninvestigated. These are NOT nice people.

[porkrind]

27. Dr. Strangelove

I think that kind of twisted "Dr. Strangelove" mentality really exists in force in Washington. Just look at what the Freepers believe and ask yourself the same question in your post. Hard-core right-wing militaristic ideologues are a dime-a-dozen. Just look at the Skinhead Nazis in Idaho. Yuck!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. You're kidding, right? Junior is an evil man with no conscience at all.

[anti-NAFTA]

5. duh.

the Reichstag fire in 1933, Pearl Harbor in 41, the Tonkin Gulf attack... 9/11 is not the first bogus attack done for propaganda purposes.

edit: actually I wouldn't call Pearl Habor entirely bogus, but I seriously doubt that the government didn't know it was going to happen

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. Read "Day of Deceit" by Stinnett...

<http://www.independent.org/tii/news/001207Stinnett.html>

Even more information has been forthcoming since Stinnett, a Pacific WWII vet himself, wrote his book.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. I doubt seriously that the CIA as a whole would ever...

...participate in that kind of madness. But, we know for a fact that the military developed Operation Northwoods in 1962 to make terror attacks on the U. S. and blame it on Cuba. We also know that the U. S. Navy, with the knowledge and cooperation of FDR, baited the Japanese into an attack on Pearl Harbor.

911 was probably an operation carried out by the Defense-based OSP...and other operatives allied with the NeoCons to include some agents of the CIA.

[Don Claybrook]

2. Voted 'Don't Know', as should everyone else

I've never seen any proof that bin Laden did 9/11, and so far as I know, no one else has ever seen any evidence of this.

I certainly have my suspicions about who did it, who knew about it, who let it happen and so on. I am certain that al Qaeda is a terrorist organization, but I'm just as certain that they've been magnified into a much larger threat than they really are, because it's in the interests of the government/defense industry to have a super-villian.

But the 'I don't know' response should, in my opinion, comprise 100% of the responses on this poll. Again, none of us know, and the Bush administration refuses to provide the proof that they promised.

[ecstatic]

3. The sad part is that if /when Bin Laden is captured

Americans will rejoice thinking that we are once again safe. Most people take for granted the idea that Bin Laden was responsible.

[Festivito]

8. OSL may not be behind 9/11, BUT, OSL is a villian to US.

Osama was involved in the terrorist acts that happened on Clinton's watch. I recall that Clinton figured it was OSL by the time of the Cole bombing. Clinton then seized whatever funds he could, made a secret death order on OSL, and set the Navy to shoot OSL when he'd be shootable.

2000 Candidate Bush joked that Clinton was trying to hit an empty tent in the middle of the desert. When Bush took office, Bush called off the OSL watch and OSL death order. Bush then went on to order Afghanistan to accept a pipeline for oil which the Taliban refused, Cheney still won't say whom he met making oil policy. There is some evidence that Afghanis were told they could have a pipeline of gold, or a CARPET OF BOMBS.

By June, 2001, Bush in office for four whole months the bulk of the 19 hijackers entered the US. By August the president received a daily briefing that he still won't allow the entire 9/11 commission to read. Bush then took a month-long vacation at his unfindable-by-air ranch, then returned only to jet about Florida reading "The Hungry Catepillar" in one-story school buildings.

The week prior to 9/11 Infocom was raided and as agents "copied" files they shut down Internet access that MIGHT have put the operation into a failsafe "do it on 9/11 if you cannot communicate with us" mode. (my guess)

It may just be that Condi FORGOT that she'd been told planes could be used to fly into buildings (from 1995 reports or the short-time-before Bush trip to Italy), or she just blurted out "who would have known," despite her being a National Security Advisor to the president of the US. Maybe she a mild form of Turettes. Maybe that's why she can't testify under oath to the 9/11 commission. Maybe Bush can't either because he wants to protect Condi.

Could be -- but, I doubt it.

A bunch of Saudi's took the 9/11 planes. Rich man OSL is Saudi exiled to an Afghanistan that was never rebuilt by Reagan CONsevatives after they defeated Russia. We just left. Clinton only had a year of a Democratic Congress to take care of the worlds problems and had to start with domestic jobs. Republicans would not have helped Afghanistan, they wouldn't even fund North Korea's new reactors that would have stopped NK from getting plutonium.

But, that's a different story.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. OBL was a big buddy when we were supplying he and his people...

...during the Afghan-Soviet War. If we had followed through on what we promised the Afghans then, perhaps OBL would not be an enemy now.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

42. agreed

"But the 'I don't know' response should, in my opinion, comprise 100% of the responses on this poll. Again, none of us know, and the Bush administration refuses to provide the proof that they promised."

Yup.

[still_one]

7. I cannot believe this nonesense

This was known during the Clinton administration. In fact a committee formed by Clinton which involved Rudmann and Hart produced a TWO YEAR STUDY, which indicated this. It was given to the Bush administration when they took over, but they ignored the entire report until 9/11.

For five years before 9/11 McKinney did brought very little into her district, and when she accused Bush of having prior knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks without any proof, that was the straw that broke the camels back.

There are enough things against Bush which we have proof, especially the lies about the war in Iraq, but if the Democrats decide to make McKinney a hero, not only will they lose in 2004, but for the next 20 years.

[ecstatic]

9. How do you know

what McKinney brought to her district? Were you a member of that district? I was and my parents still are. What about you?

[BradCKY]

10. He admitted it

Bin Laden admitted he did it on tape!!! Isn't that enough for you?

[not systems]

12. That was the "fat" Bin Laden on that tape.

It doesn't appear to be him but it sure feels good to think it is.

Right?

[Yupster]

23. Fat Bin Laden

is really Cheney dressed in Afghani garb. That alone proves Bush did it.

[worldgonekrazy]

41. Lets not forget bin Laden had a kidney disease

Which results in massive weight loss.

If anything bin Laden should have been really skinny.

[JackRiddler]

13. false

Tape of extremely suspicious provenance. Released late Nov. 2001, supposedly made early Nov. in Kandahar, found mid-Nov. in Jalalabad. Would have had to be transported from one to the other at a time when both cities were under siege by U.S. coalition and Northern Alliance forces.

"Osama" in this tape is fatter and darker-skinned, with a longer nose than other "Osamas" in other tapes.

Poor video and audio.

Faulty translation, by State Dept. Unclear whether he is talking about "they" or "us" who did it. Many "inaudibles" filled in by translators with items other Arab speakers claim not to hear (such as, supposedly, the names of "hijackers.")

German TV team (ARD) hired translators to get their own transcript. 30 hours into their work, they called the American translator and said they had some questions to ask. The Americans replied, "You've been at this for thirty hours? We were only given ten!"

Even taken at face value: Fat Osama said he had been informed about the date of the attacks five days before 9/11. This is the mastermind?

If this tape is a smoking gun, then only for the theory that by then, with the Official Conspiracy Theory of 9/11 already having fallen apart, someone felt compelled to produce evidence of Osama's guilt.

Subsequent confession tapes by "hijackers" obviously remastered, with images of the actual attack in the background.

"Osama" has history of "confessing" to any action he approves. For example, taking credit for the downing of helicopters in the 1993 Battle of Mogadishu, which began when the U.S. forces staged a surprise raid on the city to capture a warlord and encountered unexpected resistance.

Idiotic to trust in any of these videos. Completely worthless as evidence.

I'm more interested in his stay for kidney treatments at the American Hospital Dubai, July 4-14, 2001, when he was visited by the CIA station chief, according to French media.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. Who was it on the tape? OBL? I don't think so.

[leftofthedial]

11. He was tnagentially involved

perhaps just agreeing to be a scapegoat in order to further his recruitment goals.

He's a PARTNER of the Bush GOPNAC Cabal.

[Robb]

14. OBL was a pawn

in a larger game. His network carried out the attacks, but they were fooled into thinking the U.S. wouldn't retaliate in Afghanistan. Bin Laden had been lulled by the region's "success" in repelling the Soviets.

Spies, funded by natural gas interests in former Soviet states, were finally successful in infiltrating Al Qaeda, posing as separatists sympathetic to their cause. Working together they designed the plans that became 9/11.

Amazingly, the attacks were supposed to be even more spectacular, to guarantee a U.S. military response that would oust the Taliban; this would provide the necessary stability in Afghanistan to run a natural gas conduit from the Dauletabad fields, through Herat and Kandahar, down to Quetta, then to market in Sui.

As it turned out, the attacks were spectacular enough -- that or the American petroleum companies who were partnered with the Baltic states worldwide were able to put enough pressure on the Bush administration to make sure "lives were avenged".

So, I voted yes. Bin Laden was behind the attacks. But there were others standing behind him.

[humble truth]

15. I don't go for conspiracy theories

except, of course, when they're true. not this one.

Bushco took advantage of 9/11, but I do not think even they would engineer it.

[JackRiddler]

16. Conspiracy theories?

You mean, like the Official Conspiracy Theory?

Or perhaps the Saddam-Did-It Conspiracy Theory promoted by the Bush regime itself, which was used to justify the invasion?

Or perhaps you mean you don't go for conspiracy theories where the masterminds are in the U.S. govt. itself.

[humble truth]

17. Not at all

"Or perhaps you mean you don't go for conspiracy theories where the masterminds are in the U.S. govt. itself."

I wouldn't discount a conspiracy theory just because it involved people in the U.S. govt. If I knew everything I probably wouldn't be able to sleep at night. But in this case I've not seen any evidence to say Bushco was responsible in any way other than massive incompetence.

[JackRiddler]

19. Maybe you haven't looked hard enough. You might start here...

9/11 Research Resources - Feb. 2004
Out of hundreds of worthy resources on 9/11, the global crisis
and the Truth movement, here is a directory of some of the best.

SITES FOR 9/11 INFO & ANALYSIS - "THE CANON"
• cooperativeresearch.org/timeline - The Complete 9/11 Timeline by Paul Thompson, definitive archive of mainstream news reports, plus additional 9/11 data outlines at www.cooperativeresearch.org
• copvcia.com - From the Wilderness newsletter (Mike Ruppert)
• globalresearch.ca - Center for Research on Globalisation & Global Outlook Magazine (see esp. 9/11 articles by Chossudovsky)
• communitycurrency.org/MainIndexMX.html - "Unanswered Questions," the original groundbreaking essay by MalcontentX
• emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm - Emperors' New Clothes 9/11 Indictment Page by Jared Israel
• flight93crash.com - Flight 93 Crash analysis. Was it shot down?
• madcowprod.com - Dan Hopsicker on the Florida trail of Atta&Co.
• xymphora.blogspot.com - much analysis of hijacker stories.
• Sites analyzing demolition evidence (caveat emptor): wtc7.net • 911review.org • www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm • 911physics.org
• globalfreepress.com - daily digest of 9/11 and related news, plus Nico Haupt's "9/11 Skeptics Unite - The Encyclopedia"

SITES FOR THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT
• www.ny911truth.org - New York City 9/11 Truth meetup
• www.deceptiondollar.com - includes upcoming SF congress info
• www.septembereleventh.com - 9/11 Visibility Project, USA
• www.911truth.org - 9/11 Truth Alliance international. (LINKS!)
• 9-11questions.meetup.com - 9/11 Meetups around the world
• www.unansweredquestions.org - the original, w/UQ news service
• www.911resolution.org - petition campaign for townships
• www.911citizenswatch.org - monitors Kean Commission
• www.lfchosting.com/sportsfem/peace/911_FAX.html - allows you to send 9/11 faxes to dozens of politicians & media

MORE STARTER ARTICLES FOR 9/11 SKEPTICS
• Kristen Breitweiser Statement to Congressional 9/11 inquiry:
www.questionsquestions.net/docs0212/1216_sabotage.html
• Mindy Kleinberg, Statement to the 9/11 Commission:
www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing1/witness_kleinberg.htm
• “Slow-walked and stonewalled” by John Prados, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist (sabotage of 2002 congressional 9/11 inquiry)
www.thebulletin.org/issues/2003/ma03/ma03prados.html
• Gore Vidal, "The Enemy Within." Long review of The War On Freedom at burningbush.netfirms.com/Vidal.html
• Nafeez Ahmed, "9/11 'Conspiracies' and the Defactualisation of Analysis" at mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq37.html
• Alan Cabal, N.Y. Press: "Nine hundred and Eleven Missing Pieces
What don’t we know, and why don’t we know it?" at:
nypress.com/16/53/news&columns/feature.cfm
• Dave McGowan, "America Through the Looking Glass"
www.swans.com/library/art8/dmg001.html
• Chaim Kupferberg, "Truth, Lies & the Legend of 9/11"
globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html

ARTICLES ON GLOBAL CONTEXT
• U.S. military agenda for the world analyzed in depth at
www.rupe-india.org/34/agenda.html
• "Dick Cheney's Song of America: Drafting a plan for global dominance," David Armstrong, Harpers Oct. 2003 www.its.caltech.edu/~johnsonm/harpers/harpers_0210_criticism.pdf
• "The Thirty Year Itch" (on longstanding plans to occupy the Middle East) by Robert Dreyfuss, Mother Jones magazine
www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/10/ma_273_01.html
• Great Game for Caspian Oil (Wash. Post from 1998)
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/europe/caspian100498.htm
• "The Economics of Empire. Notes on the Washington Consensus" by WILLIAM FINNEGAN, Harper's, May 2003
www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/Economics-Of-EmpireMay03.htm
• "The War at Home," Frank Morales. Classic history of homeland security and preparations for police state www.911truth.org/morales.html
9/11 VIDEOS - ORDER TODAY, HOLD GROUP SHOWINGS!
• Michael Ruppert "The Truth and Lies of Sept. 11" available at www.fromthewilderness.com
• Unanswered Questions and GNN: "AfterMath - Unanswered Questions from 9/11" www.guerrillanews.com/after_math/
• Barrie Zwicker, "Great Deception" www.karscot.com/sept11.html
• "Unanswered Questions" - landmark press conference, June 10, 2002 at Washington Press Club www.unansweredquestions.com
• Daniel Hopsicker, "Mohamed Atta & The Venice Flying Circus" madcowprod.com (also coming: book "Welcome to Terrorland")
• Sterling Rainbolt of Global Free Press: "Wat Tyler's Revenge" and various SGTV episodes at www.globalfreepress.com
• Alex Jones, "9-11 - THE ROAD TO TYRANNY" www.infowars.com

OTHER IMPORTANT VIDEOS
• Barbara Trent - COVERUP: Behind the Iran Contra Affair (72', 1988). Very relevant to situation today!
• Two war films by Audrey Brohey & Gerhard Ungermann:
PLAN COLOMBIA (58’, 2003) & HIDDEN WARS OF DESERT STORM (64’, 2000) www.freewillprod.com
• Scott Ritter, IN SHIFTING SANDS (92', 2002). UN Weapons Inspector shows why Iraq had no WMD after 1998.
• On how the 2000 election was stolen, see Richard Perez & Joan Sekler, UNPRECEDENTED (58’, 2002) www.unprecedented.org

BOOKS
For Carol Brouillet's in-depth review of 9/11 research works, including all of the books and videos listed here, see www.communitycurrency.org/overview.html
• Nafeez Ahmed, THE WAR ON FREEDOM (2002). Best book on Sept. 11 to date, well-analyzed, fully sourced research on the "unanswered questions" and likely answers.
• Michel Chossudovsky, WAR AND GLOBALISATION: The Truth Behind September 11 (2002).
• Dasquie & Brisard, THE FORBIDDEN TRUTH (2002). French bestseller on the U.S. negotiations with the Taliban preceding Sept. 11, includes the John O'Neill revelations.
• Greg Palast, THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY (2002). Includes chapter on how the incoming Bush administration called off the FBI's investigations into the Bin Laden family.
• Dan Briody, THE IRON TRIANGLE (2003). All about The Carlyle Group, the war fund linking the Bush and Bin Laden families.
• Eric Hufschmid, PAINFUL QUESTIONS (2001). Wildcard analysis of WTC as demolition. Possible mechanics of inside job.
www.erichufschmid.net/PainfulQuestions.html
• POLICE STATE AMERICA, ed. Tom Burghardt. By Frank Morales, Doug Valentine et al. (2001).

CENTRAL ASIAN OIL DEALS, TALIBAN, QAEDA, CIA
Put your trust in authors who published at least once before the avalanche of post-9/11 instant books:
• Richard Labeviere. DOLLARS FOR TERROR. The United States and Islamism. Algora Publishing, New York, 2000.
• John K. Cooley. UNHOLY WARS. Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism. 2nd ed. Pluto Press, London, 1999.
• Ahmed Rashid. TALIBAN. Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia. Yale University Press, 2000.
• Michael Griffin. REAPING THE WHIRLWIND. The Taliban Movement in Afghanistan. Pluto Press, London, 2001.
• The ideological blueprint for the Central Asian war:
Zbigniew Brzezinski, THE GRAND CHESSBOARD. American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. New York, 1997.

CIA-DRUGS, COVERT ECONOMY & PARAPOLITICS
• Dan Russell. DRUG WAR. Covert Money, Power & Policy. Kalyx.com, Camden, NY, 1999. See also www.drugwar.com
• Cockburn & St. Clair. WHITEOUT. The CIA, Drugs and the Press. London, 1998. (Great overview owes much to the research classics: Gary Webb's Dark Alliance, Alfred McCoy's Politics of Heroin, Martin Lee's Acid Dreams, and Hopsicker's Barry and the Boys.)

WHAT IS YOUR "HOP" LEVEL?

Of the attempts to categorize 9/11 theories I've seen, some beg questions or unfairly characterize what people think. Most are simply vague in their terms. I tried to do better with the following list of nine subtly graduated options, which I believe fairly describe the differing opinions people actually have (short of those who believe in divine or extraterrestrial intervention). This remains a mental exercise, but I hope it helps sharpen our logic.

1 THE OFFICIAL STORY
19 hijackers planned 9/11 and carried it out using knives and mace to hijack the flights, without requiring any help from outside the bin Laden/Qaeda cell networks. Despite the indirect warnings and predictions from investigators and terror experts, the U.S. government did not acquire or synthesize sufficient intelligence prior to Sept. 11 to prevent the attacks. In fact, it makes sense that the attacks were not prevented, since they took advantage of our free society and weaknesses in the system prior to Sept. 11.
In other words, the opposition should stop trying to use 9/11 against Bush or anyone else. 9/11 skeptics merely discredit themselves.

2 INCOMPETENCE THEORY
Accepting most of the official story, this option adds the possibility that the failure was due to incompetence or criminal negligence on the part of the White House, FBI, CIA, NSA or other intelligence agencies. While malicious intent or foreknowledge on the part of U.S. government operatives is unthinkable, 9/11 is worth investigating to clear up where the failures lie.
This is the implicit line of the Kean Commission, although they have signalled that these failures will be found only at middle and lower levels. It is more or less what Gen. Clark & a few other politicians are pushing, although they presume high-level failures leading back to Bush. It is compatible with a push for better Homeland Security.

3 SAUDI/TALIBAN DOUBLE CROSS, BUSH APATHY
As in choice 1, the U.S. was blindsided. But the active involvement of fundamentalist Saudis in high places was much higher than has been revealed so far. The Bushies don't want that to get out, because it will make them look bad. That is why they are obstructing the 9/11 inquiries. Bush & Co. called off terror investigations by the FBI before Sept. 11 as a favor to their Saudi clients. This recklessly facilitated the attacks, but the Bushies would surely have stopped the attacks, had they been smart enough to figure them out in advance.
This is more or less what Greg Palast says. Michael Moore in his public statements treads cautiously between options 3 and 4.
A related variant focuses more on the Taliban. In early 2001, Bush & Co. looked away from the possibility of an attack and lowered the intensity of Bin Laden investigations so as to facilitate the ongoing pipeline negotiations with the Taliban.
This is the line of Dasquie and Brisard's "The Forbidden Truth."

4 WISHING FOR PEARL HARBOR ("Letting It Happen")
Bush & Co. intentionally looked the other way, expecting and hoping an attack would happen, so they could get their whole PNAC/Christian Nation/Plunder Program through, including the already planned wars. They knew vaguely what was coming, may have even provoked it, saw to it that it would not be stopped, but did not directly facilitate or incriminate themselves. They may have even been surprised at how horrible the actual attacks were.
This position is popular at "Democratic Underground," as a default for those who suspect LIHOP but think the evidence is too thin.

5 FULL LIHOP/LIHOP PLUS
LIHOP = Letting It Happen On Purpose
As in the official story, hijackers were dispatched by "Qaeda" (the Bin Laden-inspired cell networks) to carry out the 9/11 plan. However, Bush & Co. and/or other elements in the U.S. government, secret services or establishment knew about and facilitated these attacks, intending to create and expolit a new Pearl Harbor. This insider help included obstruction of FBI investigations, the Air Force standdown, and possibly the construction of other excuses for inaction, such as "we were only holding a wargame and it was subverted by evildoers."

5a. In LIHOP PLUS, the insiders took steps to guarantee that the 9/11 plot would succeed (why leave something so important in the hands of amateurs?), infiltrating and helping the hijackers, possibly even replacing them or steering the planes (or drones) by remote control, or doing whatever else was thought necessary.

Scenarios 5a to 9 may or may not include a WTC demolition.

Full disclosure: I think the likeliest hypothesis is of an inside job that exploited a "genuine" terrorist plot. Sometime between the Bojinka Plot of 1996 and 9/11 itself, the Qaeda plan to crashbomb planes into American targets was subverted and then steered to fruition by masterminds within the U.S. power elite. This is the logical way to leave a robust trail of evidence pointing to the patsies. The perfect plot would produce a patsy who sincerely believed he had done it himself and was proud of it - like Marinus van der Lubbe, the man executed for burning the Reichstag.


6 NORTHWOODS 2001
MIHOP = Making It Happen On Purpose
There were no hijackers. The whole thing was planned and executed as an inside job by elements within the U.S., including the creation of the false-flag excuses, using patsies or a completely fake lists of perpetrators. The planes were flown by remote control or were replaced by drones. The whole thing might as well have been Made in Hollywood.


7 NWO RULES
Same as Northwoods 2001, but the master plotters are not just "elements within the U.S." but the global ruling elite - a hardcore faction of which decided, as a group, to orchestrate an incident allowing them to gain greater control of the world Zeitgeist. 9/11 allows their proxies to seize key resources, reshape the world, drop the democratic facades and transition to open corporate feudalism; depopulation is one of the likely goals. The players steered the propaganda before and after 9/11 to make it work.


8 THIRD STATE / BUSH SUCKERED
Various theories, usually pushed by lone crusaders, have mixed and matched to lay the primary blame on Iraq, Israel, Pakistan, China, Russia or German Nazis, sometimes a combination (for Saudi Arabia or Taliban, go to Choice 3).


9 ROGUE FACTION
Bush & Co. themselves were blindsided by super right-wing elements within the U.S., who effectively attempted or even succeeded in staging a coup.
This is how I interpret the views of LaRouche and others.


10 DON'T KNOW
Some have rushed to describe complete scenarios of given events that seem to incorporate all facts but could still be wrong. We lack the power to subpeona records or bring up witnesses who could answer given questions. We have been flooded with misinformation from many sources: agencies of the U.S. and other countries, officials looking to cover themselves or score points, the media, opportunist authors, fake whistleblowers and putative witnesses. The worst impulse is to declare the case closed for one's favorite scenario. We must keep probing and correcting. We need to establish genuine peer review and a common data base, and kill off some of the more persistent errors that still crop up. (Minor example: The Magic Passport allegedly belonged to Satam Suqami, not Mohamed Atta. Tom Kenney's FEMA team, firefighters from Massachussetts, were sent to New York on Tuesday, not "Monday" (Sept. 10) as he misspoke on CBS.) And we must, obviously, keep fighting for genuine independent investigation and disclosure - even as we work on larger political strategies to deal with the reality that the U.S. government will never disclose the full truth of 9/11, until the people force it.

[Yupster]

26. I thought Buchanon

joined the Reform Party? Is he a Republican again?

[JackRiddler]

28. NOT THAT BUCHANAN

JOHN Buchanan is the 9/11 Truth Candidate, who entered the Republican primary in New Hampshire. The reporter who found the latest evidence of Prescott Bush-Nazi connections. Probably on the ballot nowhere else. Nevertheless, he could still be the one to score the knockout blow against Bush.

(You really think I'm a REPUBLICAN?!)

[Yupster]

31. Oops - sorry

Never heard of this guy.

[Asteroid]

20. The tapes are enough for me

Sure they could have been altered, but I believe OBL was behind the attacks. Even high ranking democrats said the tapes and other evidence was authentic. If it turns out that OBL wasn't responsible for 9/11 then I think a lot of people will have been duped.

[leesa]

25. The tapes??? Do you know that some of those have been debunked?

Do you know that there is NO tape in which OBL admits he did it? CNN and Faux said he did it, but the tapes did not.

[JackRiddler]

29. really? HIGH ranking Democrats said that?

Oh, they'd never be suckered, or decide to collude rather than get anthrax letters, or otherwise participate in the 9/11 coverup.

Okay you convinced me.

As for the tapes, see Post #13 on this thread.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. They can do a lot of things on film these days...

...most of it is called special effects.

[leesa]

24. How many lies and devious tricks do they need to pull off before you

realize they are ruthless thugs. How many times do they need to try to overthrow Chavez before you realize they are playing hardball? What is it with Americans that they cannot believe this man and his band of thugs are capable of this.
They are going for world control, for God's sake....MANY people will die, what's a mere 3000? 3000 will be a spit in the bucket by the time these evil people are through. Already they have murdered 22000 Iraqis and Iraq didn't do one damn thing to us.
What will it take to open people's eyes?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Then you would be thinking wrong.

[kysrsoze]

18. Obviously not. Come on everyone! It was Hussein!

:eyes:

[Liberal_Dog]

21. I Don't Know

nt

[Dying Eagle]

30. No George W. Bush was!

Oh wait our god loving, cowboy wouldn't kill his own people for political gain.....would he :nuke:

[JackRiddler]

39. morning kick

[worldgonekrazy]

40. My belief: bin Laden and al-Qaeda were patsies

I believe they DID plan some sort of action like 9/11 and set about to carry it out, but were instead co-opted by a para-military organization backed by some in the Bush Administration who MADE SURE that the spectacle came to fruition in such a way that was beneficial to the Bush Admin.

But I DON'T think Bush himself knew about it...and thus the whole "flying about the country" thing. He was really trying to figure out who fucked him and what to do about it.

[JackRiddler]

44. ha, flying around the country?

What about the 45 minutes that counted... the ones in the school with "The Pet Goat"?

Two different shows, meant to faze, both revealing: Bush admin knew in advance.

[LiberalPersona]

43. Screwy conspiracy theories

force me say that I do not know. Who knows, maybe Bush and Osama are in cahoots and the hunt is a publicity stunt to generate votes.