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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:30 AM
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Clinton's Good Deeds
With the return of Nader, the "Republicrat" meme is reborn. But the truth is, the differences between the 2 parties are starkest when you compare the last 4 years of Republican dominance with the 2 years of Democratic leadership between 1992-94. Sure--due to the wide breath of the Democratic party, the continuing prominence of DINOS, and bitter Republican opposition, certain key items on the 92 Dem agenda couldn't be enacted. But this list of accomplishments is still impressive, especially in light of the Republican alternative we are currently living with.

http://www.prospect.org/print/V6/20/rothstein-r.html#articlecont
(scroll down a bit to get to the list)

Clinton's Good Deeds Or, 55 Reasons Why Liberals Should Have Cheered Clinton's First Two Years

The following list includes only initiatives that undeniably represent a change in direction from previous Republican administrations. Not included is the passage of NAFTA, which some liberals opposed, and the often cited "creation of 4 million jobs," which primarily resulted from the turn of the business cycle, though Clinton policies may have played some role. Many items on this list may now be reversed by the new Congress.

LEGISLATION

1. Increased benefit levels and eligibility for the Earned Income Tax Credit--the biggest antipoverty measure enacted since the 1960s.

2. Restored tax progressivity with higher rates on wealthiest taxpayers.

3. Enacted gun controls, including the Brady Bill and restrictions on assault weapons.

4. Passed the National Voter Registration Act ("motor-voter" bill), previously vetoed by Bush.

5. Passed the Family and Medical Leave Act, vetoed by Bush.

6. Restored First Amendment political rights for federal employees, vetoed by Bush....

DEFICIT REDUCTION AND TARGETED FUNDING INCREASES

17. Cut federal deficit in half.

18. Increased Head Start funding by 20 percent, expanding coverage by 100,000 children.

19. Increased coverage of Women, Infants and Children nutrition and health program (for pregnant and postpartum women) by 300,000 families, and broadened food stamp aid by an additional $2.5 billion over the next five years.

20. Doubled the budget for aid to the homeless, to $1.5 billion a year.

21. Expanded housing project grants, including aid to first-time home buyers and permanent extension of low-income housing credits......

ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS AND APPOINTMENTS

25. Repealed abortion counseling "gag rule."

26. Revoked import ban on RU-486.

27. Stepped up consumer protection through Consumer Product Safety Commission and the Food and Drug Administration......

JUDICIAL APPOINTMENTS AND COURT BRIEFS

42. Appointed Supreme Court justices who will secure the right to reproductive choice.

43. Achieved race and ethnic diversity in judicial appointments: African Americans, 22 percent (Reagan, Bush, Carter--5 percent); Hispanics, 8 percent (Reagan, Bush, Carter--2 percent); Women, 31 percent (Reagan, Bush, Carter--8 percent).

44. Appointed openly gay federal judges, subcabinet officers, and other officials, as well as persons with disabilities.

45. Supported right of colleges to seek diversity using race-based scholarships.......

INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS

48. Restored the democratically elected government of Haiti.

49. Negotiated a cessation of North Korea's development of nuclear weapons.

50. Signed the Rio Biodiversity Convention.

51. Accelerated compliance with Montreal Protocols on global warming.

52. Conducted tougher negotiations to open Japanese markets to American products.

53. Funded international organizations that promote comprehensive family planning.

54. Defended rights of women and reproductive choice at Cairo population conference.

55. Reaffirmed strict interpretation of 1972 ABM treaty.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:37 AM
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1. yeah, but we've got to vote Nader to send these guys a message!
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 08:42 AM by wyldwolf
I like this part from Richard Rothstein's rebuttal to Edward S. Herman's rebuttal:

Edward Herman's view that my plea for liberals to circle their wagons around Clinton's beleaguered presidency smacks of "authoritarian democratic centralism'" is precisely the debility I bemoaned. Habits of confrontational opposition, developed over 30 years, have made liberals incapable of the compromise now required to assemble liberal majorities with a minority presidency.

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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:03 AM
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2. Yes!
In fact this "oppositional mentality" has been a progressive "debility" throughout the century.

There is a great passage in Hillary's book where she discusses the way Clinton opposed the Vietnam war. Not by chanting and slogan-making, but by skillfully and agressively lobbying congressmen and appealing to common values. On one occasion, he actually brought a sympathetic constituent who had lost a relative into a Senator's office, where she promptly gave him a tongue-lashing. And eventually this Senator changed his stance on the war.

We need pragmatism, pragmatism, coalitions, and solidarity. We have enough "voices" and we have been heard--now it's time to bring about change and get things done.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:31 AM
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3. Except
"5. Passed the Family and Medical Leave Act, vetoed by Bush."

Really only benefited those with enough money to use it. Did absolutely nothing for poor people.
As far as the economy,
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/090599gap-rich-poor.html
"September 5, 1999

Gap Between Rich and Poor Found Substantially Wider

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON

he gap between rich and poor has grown into an economic chasm so wide that this year the richest 2.7 million Americans, the top 1 percent, will have as many after-tax dollars to spend as the bottom 100 million.

That ratio has more than doubled since 1977, when the top 1 percent had as much as the bottom 49 million, according to new data from the Congressional Budget Office.

In dollars, the richest 2.7 million people and the 100 million at the other end of the scale will each have about $620 billion to spend, according to an analysis of the budget office figures.

The analysis was done by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonprofit organization in Washington that advocates Federal tax and spending policies that it says would benefit the poor."
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/inequal/america.htm
"The Rich Can Afford to Share the Wealth
By Robert Reich
San Jose Mercury News
December 29, 1999

Exactly eight years ago I trudged through sleet and slush of New Hampshire telling anyone who'd listen that Bill Clinton would do wonders for the American economy. Now, as the nation lurches into a millennial election year with unemployment at its lowest level in thirty-five years with no inflation in sight, most Americans seem largely content. The economy has faded as an election-year issue. But there are two big things that have been happening to the American economy which should be framing the upcoming election nonetheless. It's still the economy, stupid.

Big Thing Number One: America has been growing faster than ever. Productivity has been rising 2.1 percent a year since 1993, according to just-revised statistics from the Commerce Department. I wish the Clinton Administration could take full credit, but it turns out that productivity-growth spurt actually began picking up steam in the early 1980s. The recession of 1991-92 was only a temporary pause. Neither Reagan's supply-side tax cuts nor Clinton's deficit-thwacking budget cuts have made much difference. The real cause has been a revolution in information technology, which is transforming America into a super-efficient digital colossus. There's no reason to suppose this long-term trend should slow. Put simply, America is richer than ever and will become even more so.

Which brings us to Big Thing Number Two: Almost all these gains have been going to people at the top. According to recent data from the congressional budget office, this year the richest 2.7 million Americans, comprising the top 1 percent, will have as many after-tax dollars to spend as the bottom 100 million put together. Meanwhile, the poorest one-fifth of households will have an average income of $8,800 this year, down from $10,000 in 1977 (in current dollars). Not even people in the middle have done particularly well. Since the start of the Clinton administration, the incomes of richest have risen twice as fast as the middle.

This calculation doesn't even include deferred income and other perks, such as stock options, which have gone mostly to people at the top. And, notably, it doesn't include increases in the values of their stock portfolios. Add in these, and the wealth gap turns into the Grand Canyon. At the start of the Clinton administration, the Dow stood at 3300. Now it's hovering around 10,800. Eighty-five percent of this windfall has gone to the top 10 percent of earners -- and forty percent to the top 1 percent."

Clinton ALONE had nothing with reducing the deficit. Nearly every year since Reagan slashed taxes, congress had increased taxes, like taxing tips. Clinton's was the final tax increase.
So, much like the claim that Reagan alone ended the cold war it is false.

Every president has a mixed bag of positive and negative policies. Nixon was far better on environmentalism than Bush.
Only long term history can judge whether Clinton had more positives than negatives.

Negatives, since positives are stated;
http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/
"So, once elected, Bill Clinton did what he does best: He took advantage of the opportunity. Rather than insert human-rights concerns into the arms-sales equation, as did his Democratic predecessor President Carter, Clinton decided to aggressively continue the sales policies of President Bush, himself no slouch when it came to selling U.S. arms.
Early on, Clinton required our diplomats to shill for arms merchants to their host countries. The results were immediate: During Clinton's first year in office, U.S. arms sales more than doubled. From 1993 to 1997, the U.S. government sold, approved, or gave away $190 billion in weapons to virtually every nation on earth.

The arms industry, meanwhile, has greased the wheels. It filled the Democratic Party coffers to the tune of nearly $2 million in the 1998 election cycle."
"According to the Pentagon, the defense industry laid off 795,000 American workers between 1992 and 1997. At the same time, many of these corporations were sweetening their arms deals to other countries by offering "offsets" -- incentives provided to foreign countries in exchange for the purchase of military goods and services. The programs often include agreements to manufacture some or all of the products in the purchasing country.

Turkey, for example, agreed to buy 160 F-16s from General Dynamics in 1987 (for delivery through 1994) for an estimated $4 billion -- on the condition that most of the planes be built in Turkey. The offset resulted in 1,500 jobs going to Turkey. In 1992, General Dynamics entered into a similar F-16 offset deal with South Korea and brought 400 Koreans to its Fort Worth, Texas, plant for training, after having laid off 10,000 workers in the previous two years.

Lockheed Martin has continued the trend since it bought General Dynamics' F-16 program in 1993: In vying for a contract to supply fighters to Poland, it is offering to build an assembly plant there for all future F-16 sales to Central Europe -- so the planes won't be made in the U.S. at all. Makes you feel patriotic, doesn't it?"
"Corporate Pork
Under a Defense Department policy initiated in 1993, U.S. taxpayers wind up covering a big chunk of the cost of defense-corporation mergers. The tally so far has reached $856.2 million in perfectly legal write-offs, including $405 million for the Lockheed/Martin Marietta merger, to name one example. Because of the policy, Lockheed was able to bill the Pentagon up front for $2.4 million of CEO Norman Augustine's salary.

In 1996, Congress created the Defense Export Loan Guarantee program to finance U.S. weapons sales to foreign countries. Its first beneficiary? A United Industrial sale of pilotless aircraft and training systems to cash-strapped Romania. If Romania defaults on its payments (not a bad bet for a country in economic turmoil), U.S. taxpayers will be left holding the bag: $16.7 million. But United Industrial gets paid either way.

Arming Both Sides
The Clinton administration has not been shy about arming potential foes in regional conflicts. For example, two of America's biggest arms customers are Greece and Turkey, which have been threatening to go to war with each other for decades over the tiny Mediterranean island of Cyprus.

Both countries stake a claim to the island, more than a third of which has been occupied by Turkish forces since 1974, and the two have clashed hundreds of times in the 25 years since.

Though barred by Congress from selling offensive weapons to Cyprus itself, in 1997 the U.S. sold (or allowed American corporations to sell) more than $270 million worth of weapons to Greece and nearly $750 million worth to Turkey. Now if there's a war, the two NATO allies can blast away at one another with far greater efficiency, thanks to the U.S. defense industry and its cheerleader, Bill Clinton."

We know about Media Deregulation, NAFTA/GATT/WTO, DOMA, DMC, Welfare Reform, failure to sign the Landmine treaty ( even after Diana's death), Bono Copyright extension, increased intensity of drug war, ordering the justice department to crack down on medical marijuana prescribing doctors, and generally putting corporate interests over those of the people. Many Clinton policies are still coming home to roost.
In reality comparing Clinton to Bush is like comparing rotten Apples to slightly less rotten Oranges.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:05 AM
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4. IThe Mother Jones article on arms sales is admittedy pretty damning
But the first article is a red herring--any time the economy really grows the gap between the rich and the poor will also grow. And I think the record from 92-94 proves where mainstream Democratic priorities lie on this issue.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:11 AM
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5. please explain this
"ny time the economy really grows the gap between the rich and the poor will also grow"

Really? Why?
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:08 PM
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18. It's obvious, really
Rich people have much or most of their wealth in investments. When you have a boom period and stocks go up, people like Bill Gates are worth a hell of a lot more. When you have a recession, it's the stockholders that lose the most aggragately (though I'm not suggesting that purely financial pain can be compared to losing your job).

If you examine the data, any time the economy is in boom, the gap goes up. Of course, I'm not suggesting we shouldn't try to reduce the gap and build a strong middle class. That's what voting Democratic is all about. It's just silly to blame Clinton for presiding over a good economy.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:20 AM
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6. Again
"But the first article is a red herring"

The NYT article is supported by the later Reich article. Both of them agree on the facts, with Reich's expanding even more.
Hopefully you didn't lump those two together, they are two separate articles.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:26 AM
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8. People tend to forget
People tend to forget that while the tech industry boomed that the manufacturing sector was losing jobs. There were large sections of the US that never benefited from the tech boom, but lost high paying manufacturing jobs to offshore cheap labor.
I also seem to recall that many agricultural jobs, family farmers and workers in the Midwest, suffered as well.
Yes, there may have been 24 million jobs created, but most were low paying no benefit McJobs. I even have to question the total amount of jobs created.
You also have these statements that really bring to light how Clinton was viewed by the power elite,
http://www.kellysite.net/modrep.html
Clinton was a disaster for liberals and Democrats because he was a closet Republican and was a major cause of the wealth and income gap that exists today between the rich and middle- and low-income Americans. Voters now identify his economic policies that benefited investors and the wealthy at the expense of workers
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:29 AM
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9. For some reason I missed the rest
http://www.kellysite.net/modrep.html
The Wall Street Journal agreed. From the November 7, 1996 issue:
"We have a great Republican president now."
A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard
Chairman of the Securities Industry
Association and head of Alex Brown, Inc.
"Here we are dead set in the center with a big long leash around President Clinton."
Hardwick Simmons
Prudential Securities Inc.
Chief Executive Officer
According to the biased-conservative-news-media, Clinton was right where Big Business wanted him: in the middle of the road between the Republican right wing of Congress, and the moderate Democrats in Congress.
In other words, The Wall Street Journal and America's right wing have successfully changed our definitions of balance and moderation. Traditional "Eisenhower Republicanism" (Clinton) is now considered moderation, and is almost nonexistent in the Republican party. Traditional "Truman Liberalism" is now considered extremist and is increasingly rare in the Democratic party.
This means that big corporations, the wealthy and the powerful have convinced the American voter that:
Workers' wages are low, not because they lack power, but because they are uneducated and poorly trained
Unmanaged free trade will eventually benefit all Americans
The growing wealth and income gap in our society is good because it is fair (the wealthy work harder and have more talent) and it will eventually benefit everyone
The more money our richest citizens take out of our corporations and our society, the better off everyone will be
High taxes on our richest citizens are unfair and hurt the economy
Money, greed and raw political power have nothing to do with what voters believe about the above
And, in general, no one should try to change any of the above because that would be "big government," and, besides, these "temporary abberations" are the natural, inevitable forces of a healthy economy.
Conservatives have been very effective in palming off these economic absurdities. Even many former liberals have changed sides, having joined the ranks of the affluent, and having forgotten what kinds of governmental policies got them there.
Democrats are long overdue in disavowing much of Clinton's economic policies. They erroneously feel they must leave his legacy untarnished if they are to regain the confidence of voters. The opposite is true: they absolutely must educate the public, including many Democrats, about who destroyed working-class incomes through globalization—Republicans and conservative Democrats.
To get a roaring stock market, Clinton and the Republicans were willing to exchange high-paying manufacturing jobs for a larger number of poor-paying service jobs. And now the pressures on American incomes are creeping up the economic and social ladder to high-skill and professional jobs.
It’s an economic disaster, and—until Democrats are willing to accurately place blame where it belongs—they’ll never be able to truly level with the American public about what needs to be done now. The answer to our economic problems is NOT more of the same—globalization and a whole range of anti-labor legislation—but just the opposite.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:18 PM
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19. This post (#9) underscores my argument
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 01:25 PM by ludwigb
On the need to agitate for both a Democratic president and a Democratic congress. Admittedly, Clinton compromised more than many of us would have liked. But he would have had a much, much freeer hand with a Dem congress.

The only way to embolden liberals is to give them the majority and the power to enact their agenda.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:23 PM
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20. The loss of manufacturing jobs is a complicated issue
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 01:24 PM by ludwigb
and I'm not sure where I stand myself. I can say that my firsthand expirience of the Germany economy suggests that the relative German reluctance to liberalize their trade relations played a big role in the high unemployment they had throughout the 90s and still have today.

I think at some point (though perhaps not when we did), America had to let those jobs go to remain vibrant. Foreign economies need jobs too. By concentrating on education, Clinton provided America a service that the Gore administration would have continued. We should focus on being cutting edge in terms of offering new services and coming up with new ideas.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:00 PM
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15. Ah...sorry (replying to post 6)
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 01:02 PM by ludwigb
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:22 AM
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7. What's with all this Clinton worship?
- Clinton actually made it possible for RWingers to take over our government. He allowed himself to be 'blackmailed' and he compromised the Dem party to death.

- I have few fond memories of the Clinton years.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:37 AM
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11. Yep
"He allowed himself to be 'blackmailed' and he compromised the Dem party to death."

Many of who are ADBB today.
Ted Rall clearly illustrates the flaw with this strategy in the following cartoon,
http://www.msnbc.com/comics/editorial_content.asp?sFile=tr040229

LBJ said something about you never win merely by voting against something. People want something to vote for.
The ADBB rush will eventually have just as many problems as re-electing Bush.
How many people think Kerry, or any Democrat, will turn over Patriot? Release the prisoners at Gitmo? NOT create a draft? Bring jobs back to the US? Stop rising fuel prices? Get the US out of Iraq and Afghanistan? Investigate 911, the war, or those nasty corporate issues?
What will happen are a few bones will be thrown to environmentalists and abortion proponents, some advancement in relations to other nations that Bush screwed up.
And that is about it.
Actually, a weak Democrat could pave the way for a Republican in 2008.
That could be there have been so many Bush missteps lately. Get him out, let everything blow up for the Democrat, put a new Republican in later on.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:31 AM
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10. yeah; a lesser of several evils, still pro corporate globalization
it's a kinder, gentler republicanism.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:40 AM
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12. Some more of CLinton's good deeds:
NAFTA (you Canadians are going to luv the US very shortly because of how NAFTA allows us to take more than half of your oil supplies...)

DOMA

DMCA

1995 welfare 'reform'

1996 telecom act

1994 firing of Jocelyn Elders x(

Totally ignoring the oil issue

Totally ignoring government subsidies to large corporations (aka corporate welfare)

What American products? They're all made in China, they may as well order them directly from China and save on shipping costs!!!

Yeah, he's done some good, that I am not arguing. But his bad makes up for it, given the scope of the situation.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:02 PM
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13. hey! all you ingrate leftloons!
welcome to the club!

you forgot about Haiti, the Americas' test lab for total labor subjugation/privatization

think I'm kidding/crazy?

time to reread your Palast, though, I don't remember if he specifically mentions Haiti. lots about South America and what Tony Blair's been pulling off in the UK, though

and David Cay Johnston's book is probably the KEY economic analysis going these days (he's a republican, like Kevin Phillips.....saw him attacked viciously on CSPAN for being a lefty, heh), pretty much ignored by both sides, of course
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:46 PM
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14. Vote for Nader if you must, because this times he's gonna take
votes from Bush from disgruntled Republicans, who really don't want to vote for a Democrat, but who don't want to vote for Bush again either. However, let's see if Nader doesn't back out or has a small plane accident.

Sorry to be so cynical, but the maladministration has already proved themselves to be capable of anything.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:04 PM
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16. Nonsense
No thinking conservative is going to vote for Nader, unless they hope to get Nader 5% so he can harrass the Dems with federal funding.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:07 PM
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17. won't vote for Nader, but don't really have any enthusiasm for dems
they REFUSE to take up the cudgel, clearly for fear of being seen as "liberal," as opposed to what, Fricking FASCIST?

reactionary?

feudalist?

neo-liberal materialist/hegemonist?

saddest thing about this "election" campaign is the continued supplication in the Achordate Party's allowance of the thuglican party/media to define the terms of political dialogue, even to the extent of not CALLING those prix on it EVERY single time they refer to the "democrat" party?

why don't they just immediately say, "OK. if you can't call us the democratIC party, you don't mind if I call you the reTHUGlicker party, do you?" or some such other salubrious emendation.....

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deadliving Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:35 PM
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21. Enacted gun controls, including the Brady Bill and restrictions on...
Why then do none of the current crop bring this up? If it's such a good stance then why not flaunt it?
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:36 PM
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22. Yeah, compare this record to what Bush has done in the past 3 years
Yeah, there's no difference huh Nader? No difference at all. :rolleyes:

I'll take Clinton and his blow jobs any day. :)
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