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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:12 AM
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The Haitian Hypocrisy!
According to Bush*:

Al Qaeda is a terrorist group.

Yasser Arafat is a terrorist.

But a gang of "rebels" overthrowing an elected ruler in Haiti is not?

So much for his stand on terrorism. "You're with us, or you're not!" I hope that this removes any standing during his reelection campaign, that Bush* has any credibility in the fictional war on terrorism.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:32 AM
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1. Aristide IS a terrorist
He was a dictator put in power by Bill Clinton. That doesn't make him a nice guy.

He bankrupted his country, and, when things got too bad, he played the race card by blaming everything on France (since he saw Bush was doing that so well).
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:48 AM
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2. But compared to Papa Doc, he is a saint.
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Aristide Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:11 AM
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3. And You Wonder Why
they "hate us".

Haiti will survive, and end the end Aristide will be looked upon as a great hero. Which he is today by the majority of Haitian people. This is despite US efforts to Lie and Distort the truth.

These type of actions by Washington only puts us Innocent Americans in both national and international danger of becoming victims of terrorist attacks.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:16 AM
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4. You don't know what you are talking about
Aristide is an elected President bt a huge majority of the people. He was not installed by President Clinton. President Clinton drove out the War Lord that had taken over Haiti in 1990 and allowed Aristide to finish his last two years of his five year elected term Aristide is not now nor has he ever been a dictator. Get your facts straight so you come off looking a little better than Fox News.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:38 AM
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5. I think I'd know a thing or two about Haiti
Aristide's election was bought by Clinton. He's WORSE than Papa Doc. Aristide is Papa Doc minus order.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:52 AM
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6. BS
Aristide was elected in 1988 long before Clinton ever came onto the scene. He was ousted in late 1990 by a group of thugs and Haiti was taken over by thugs and set up a local Police Chief as head War Lord. There were Death Squads scouring the lands and people were fleeing left and right. America was getting Haitians showing up on the Florida coast and Bush ! would do nothing about it. Aristide was elected by a very large majority of the population. He was elected to a five year term and served three years before being ousted by force not the ballot. He moved to America and rented a small apartment in Washington DC and pleaded with our government (then Bush1 to help restore democracy in Haiti. Bush1 was not interested in Democracy. More boat people came. For over two year boat people came to America only to be sent back to Haiti. After Clinton was elected he decided that Democracy was important to the world so he ousted the War Lord in Haiti and restored Aristide to power so he could finish out his term as he still had two years left. After his two years were up there was an orderly change of power. An election was held and a man named Rene' Preval was elected to a five year term. He served his term out and the people asked Aristide to run again and he did. He was again elected by a very large percentage (over 70%) of the population. Democratically elected and has served a little over three years of his five year term. Now the same thugs, in fact the same War Lord have built up an army and decided they would use armed insurrection because they know they could never win in an election by the people. The people love Aristide.Over 70% would vote him back in in a heartbeat if their constitution allowed it. It doesn't though so after his term was up he would have to leave anyway but these people could not wait. The reason they could not wait is because Bush* is in power now and might not be in two years and Bush* does not believe in orderly transition of power in a Democratic manner. The rebels have been getting tacit support from this administration for some time now. Get your fact straight before you reply.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:02 AM
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7. DemocracyNow had a GREAT Segment the Other Day:
anti-Nafta should really listen to this. You need realplayer I think.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/26/1612211

"Haiti: Different Coup, Same Paramilitary Leaders"

<snip>

Many of the men leading the armed insurrection in Haiti right now are well known to veteran Haiti observers and, for that matter, the US intelligence agencies that worked closely with the paramilitary death squads which terrorized Haiti in the early 1990s. People like Louis Jodel Chamblain, the former number 2 man in FRAPH, Guy Philippe, a former police chief who was trained by US Special forces in Ecuador and Jean Tatun, another leader of FRAPH.
In an hour-long interview with the Washington Post, published today Guy Philippe vowed a bloody assault on Port-au-Prince "very soon" if Aristide refuses to leave office. Philippe and Chamblain told the paper that Aristide's departure and his replacement by an interim leader who would call new elections was the only possible peaceful solution to their three-week-old insurgency. Chamblain said "Aristide has two choices: prison or execution by firing squad."

<snip>

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:09 AM
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9. sources please?
you don't expect people to just take your word for it do you?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:16 AM
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10. And the embargo
and the failure of the US to give Haiti the money we promised had nothing to do with this mess?

Nor the fact that Bu$hCo is backing the rebels who in three short weeks have managed to overthrow a democratically elected president?

If you know so much can you tell me where these rebels got their new weapons and uniforms and the money for such things?


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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:07 AM
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8. sources please?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:30 AM
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12. You're off my friend. Aristide's crime? Being anti-NAFTA
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 10:11 AM by Tinoire
Trust me on this one if you can. I'm Haitian and have been following this closely for decades.

Aristide is the people's choice. He won fair democratic elections in 1990 after running on a true populist platform. Bush Sr & the CIA did their utmost to get Aristide out and they succeeded in 1991 because neither they nor the Haitian elite (which is also the business community) could tolerate watching the populist reforms he was making. SOA-trained officers (butchers like Constant, Cedras, and other Ton Ton Macoutes in the FRPAH) had a successful coup against him and he fled to the states.

Clinton didn't install him, he restored him to power but after so much wrangling because the Republicans were dead set against someone like Aristide. You should have seen how hateful Jesse Helm's face would get. Clinton wasn't even that interested in restoring him but he was enormously pressured by the Black Caucus to whom he had already broken the campaign promise of reversing the Bush Administration's policy of refusing the Boat people. By the time we restored Aristide, over 2 years later, our NAFTA friends had totally tied his hands, made him accept ruinous IMF & USAID demands, and put in place protections for all the US manufacturers down there that exploit the people's labor.

Eventually Aristide reluctantly accepted because it was pretty clear he would get no US help unless he did. Trouble is after when he went back, he slowly started disregarding some of these policies because they were killing the people.



Under NAFTA the movement of money won't be stopped
By David Bacon

Yet at the moment of his return, Aristide had already been forced to agree to conditions imposed by the International Monetary Fund and the U.S. Agency for International Development--conditions guaranteed to perpetuate the desire of Haitians to immigrate to the U.S. As the price for U.S. support, the IMF, and USAID require that Aristide maintain the lowest minimum wage in Latin America, fire 25,000 government employees, and continue favorable treatment for U.S. companies who have built factories to take advantage of cheap Haitian labor.

The Haitian experience is the most dramatic example of the schizophrenia which lies behind the failure of U.S. immigration policy, whether formulated by Republicans or Democrats. California's Proposition 187, and its legislative cousins which are beginning to surface in other states, cannot stop immigration or solve the problems it poses, because they refuse to recognize what causes immigration in the first place.

Almost all the political candidates who debate immigration hold that borders, while they must restrain people, must also allow free passage of capital, production, and material goods. In fact, free trade philosophy holds that favorable conditions for investment must be created wherever U.S. influence can be extended. Institutions like USAID, the IMF, the World Bank, and the General Agreement on Trades and Tariffs, have created a new world economic order. For them, borders hardly exist.

Yet the same voices calling for relaxation of restrictions on money and goods, also call for increased border enforcement for people, or the denial of rights and services for immigrants once they reach the U.S. President Clinton and California Governor Pete Wilson see eye-to-eye on support for NAFTA. While the Clinton administration prefers to build a wall for people on the border, and Wilson believes that immigrants can be forced out of the country by onerous restrictions, they basically agree. The movement of money can't be stopped, but people must be.

<snip>

While USAID's new restrictions on Aristide come under a Democratic administration, they are the continuation of an old bipartisan policy. According to a study by the National Labor Committee Education Fund in Support of Worker and Human Rights in Central America, between 1983 and 1991, when Aristide was overthrown, "USAID poured over $100 million into Haiti's private sector." No organization of poor people, no union, no farmer's association ever received a penny. Instead, in 1991, when Aristide proposed raising the minimum wage to $5 Haitian (37 cents) per hour, USAID spent $26.7 million to oppose it. Raising the minimum wage "could be highly detrimental to economic growth," USAID said. "Wage systems should not be the forum for welfare and social programs."

<snip>

http://zena.secureforum.com/Znet/zmag/articles/dec94bacon.htm


November/December 1994
Enemy Ally: The Demonization of Jean-Bertrand Aristide
http://www.fair.org/extra/9411/aristide-demonization.html

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eablair3 (597 posts) Sun Feb-29-04 03:53 AM
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Media vs. Reality in Haiti - Feb 13, 2004

US Congresswoman Maxine Waters issued a press release Feb. 11th, on the heels of her recent visit to Haiti, that called on the Bush administration to join her in condemning the “so-called opposition” and, specifically, Andre Apaid Jr., who is a “Duvalier supporter” that, along with his Group of 184, is “attempting to instigate a bloodbath in Haiti and then blame the government for the resulting disaster in the belief that the U.S. will aid the so-called protestors against President Aristide.” <5>

She also took aim at the World Bank and IMF and their “continuing embargo” , which amounts to hundreds of millions of desperately needed funds. Rep. Waters outlined the following positive measures that Aristide has initiated:

“Under his leadership, the Haitian government has made major investments in agriculture, public transportation and infrastructure…The government doubled the minimum wage from 36 to 70 gourdes per day, despite strong opposition from the business community…President Aristide has also made health care and education national priorities. More schools were built in Haiti between 1994 and 2000 than between 1804 and 1994. The government expanded school lunch and school bus programs and provides a 70% subsidy for schoolbooks and uniforms”

Rep. Waters made clear assertions on Aristide’s behalf that are otherwise absent from Bush administration commentary and corporate media deceptions regarding Haiti. Waters completed her statement with an important appeal, which called on the corporate media to “discontinue the practice of repeating rumours and innuendos,” whereby they function as “international megaphones for the opposition. They lie shamelessly on a daily basis.”

Another Congresswoman, Barbara Lee, directly challenged Colin Powell in a formal letter to him February 12th, after Powell had announced that the US administration is “not interested in regime change” in Haiti. Said Lee: “It appears that the US is aiding and abetting the attempt to violently topple the Aristide government. With all due respect, this looks like “regime change”…Our actions – or inaction – may be making things worse.”

http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=54&ItemID=4977

Anyone ever question why the comments of Congresswomen Maxine Waters and Barbara Lee are not being reported at all in the corporate mass media?

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more-

http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=54&ItemID=4996
The US Double Game in Haiti - Feb 16, 2004
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:17 AM
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11. Amen - ya got that right!
Posted something similar in another thread.

This bunch of criminals occupying OUR White House - Al Gore's House - seem to have a problem with elections and democratic form of government "by the people".

New repuke motto: "Who cares what YOU think?"

Disgusting.
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