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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 04:22 AM
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What is the problem with markets?
What is the problem with markets, and how would "you" fix them?

A market brings parties together, that supply and demand self-
regulate each other; resources balance by simply allowing free price
dissemination. It is a coming together
of business interests to achieve collective benefit. Markets
themselves work better with "more" consumers, "more products and
a sound financial bedrock, a stable rule of law and a morally endowed
democratic government ensuring human rights.

If human rights are undermined and people are destroyed by the
microeconomic climate, what is to be done, lest you yourself are a
neoliberal intending to "fix" the world with markets, as indeed it
is the capitalist religion. Perhaps the world needn't be fixed.
And to cast a second stone in a pond ripples more than the first.

I envision a massive complex of computers running a similar software to
NASDAQ, except with a complex, multi market work-flow system that links
together raw resource damage, CO2 emissions, Water and Land damage
markets. The markets could be linked simultaneiously
to "multiprice" a company with a super-fat public datawarehousing FACT row. With
a single global CME-like exchange incorporating free markets for
all resources. This would price the economic toll on public goods
(environment, space, resources and labour) of otherwise
finance-linked society. Without goodwill, no contracts are born. Markets
of today are on a collision course with the limited resources of this
very generous planet. If they don't adapt, there'll be problems.

There is no goodwill when markets are not pricing public
goods consumed, and "footprint". Markets are not
divorced from the guns and the proliferation of war.
as none of us wants a next war, by this imperfect religion. The
religion is making war at a scale inconceivable in the last century.

With satellite guidance and massive military deployment, states can
fight over the rights to energy, and water. Whilst a free market
fails to feed millions, it is creating an arms race.

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Hammie Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 04:31 AM
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1. Well what bugs me
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 04:39 AM by Hammie
is when they don't have any place to put the carts when your done. I don't feel like taking them all the way back up to the front of the store so I just kind of shove them up against a planter or median stip or something. The problem with that is then I feel like kind of A dick because I know it could get knocked loose at any time an roll around the parking lot and maybe put a ding in someone's cool car or something.


Edited to add:

There! Happy now DW or should I say sargent grammar?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 04:32 AM
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2. "I feel like kind of dick (sic)"
Feel like that often, do you?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 04:49 AM
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4. I hate the ones that squeek and move to the left.
Its embarrassing when they squeek and I'm trying to look cool. :-)

I hate grocery shopping and wish that internet-delivery services
worked here... Then i wouldn't have to hastle with the cart.
Perhaps in 100 years they'll have vertical groceries that own their
entire supply chain, and the 6 oranges in your bag came straight from
the fruit grower, 1 day before, all over the world. Then groceries
might again become small niche markets that service the fringe above
"grower to refrigerator" supply chain integration.

Strategically tune the market to eliminate, scratching cool cars with
carts in parking lots.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 04:36 AM
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3. Well
I need the butter.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 05:10 AM
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5. Will Almond butter do?
Bottom line, if you paid at the pump the REAL cost of the GAS that is
going in your car, you should add in the cost of the entire military
budget for middle east adventures. The public subsidy for petrol is
distorting the market terribly, real environmental concerns are
dismissed. This interference in markets has created a terrible structural imblanance that is the grounds for all this war and the
ones to come.

Were GAS to include its REAL cost, including military costs, it would
be 10 dollars a gallon. Then alternate supply industries become economical and big cars not. The suspended economic pressure is
not permanent, and willb e all that more damaging when balance
returns.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 07:07 PM
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6. Plutonium sinker thread

We can't tame free markets, they tame us, is that it?
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