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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 08:54 AM Original message |
As an artist myself, I think Gibson's detractors are way out of line... |
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salmonhorse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. "Gibson" who? |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Uhm...if you don't know, it doesn't really matter. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Many people come here to learn about things they don't know |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. I doubt salmonhorse's post was in earnest. |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 02:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. dude, |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
95. Your skin seems rather tender... |
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salmonhorse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 03:50 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Your skin seems rather... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 02:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
96. I have no idea what you are talking about...but thank you for sharing. |
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salmonhorse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 03:47 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Do be do be do.... |
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geomon (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 06:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
106. Lets see.... |
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edward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 03:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
110. rude. |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. But Mel intentionally started the furor |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I totally agree he couldn't ask for better publicity, BUT |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 11:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
27. I have no idea |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Good points. However, often the "anti-semite" charges seem so |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 02:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. It is rumored that it was leaked by his team |
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Township75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. I agree.* |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
4. don't screw with jesus |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Love the casting of the "ethereal light." |
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J B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
5. A lot of people will say people like Gibson... |
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J B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. A lot of people will say people like Gibson... |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'm hazy on the details |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. it is impossible to render a "historically accurate" version of |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Of course |
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dfong63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. wildly divergent from "what is known", according to whom? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
11. You're Free To Paint Whatever You Want |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. How about waiting to see the finished painting when I exhibit it? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I Don't Think That's What DemLkr's Getting At |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
55. It seems that you are assuming Gibson opposes reconciliation |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. He is a follower of Bishop Le Febra |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
16. i agree 100% |
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whoYaCallinAlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
17. If you don't agree with Gibson't work, DON'T GO SEE THE MOVIE. |
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pstokely (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:26 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. the 1st amendment does not guarantee the right to be heard |
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whoYaCallinAlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Great, if nobody listens to Rush, they'll take his show off the air. |
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pstokely (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. he could be on for another 50 for all I care |
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whoYaCallinAlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Good for you. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. The Ultimate Straw Man Argument |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. So...just go see it when it comes out and THEN comment on it. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 03:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
57. Aren't you the one advancing a straw man? You assume that |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. All the reports of those who have seen the movie say this is not so |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. He Refused To Let Members of the Jewish Community See It |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. He refused to let Foxman see it. |
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geomon (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 07:06 AM Response to Reply #74 |
107. Nice.... |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I Don't Agree with His Wingnut VIEWS and WILL See the Movie |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
22. Suppose that you as an artist make a film about RATS |
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whoYaCallinAlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 10:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. So what are you worried about? |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Please see my post # 12...and it still remains that you would be unable |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Gibson showed his film to a bunch of people, including Republicans |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
67. He invited Matt Drudge |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. He also invited Democrat Jack Valenti |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
68. So what. God probably didn't write the 10 commandments |
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dfong63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. i partially agree |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 12:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Maybe Mel Gibson |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. hmmm...that post added a lot to the discussion. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You Can Read It |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. My Bad |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Next time I shave my back, I'll do the head too, as well as |
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dfong63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. maybe you could come up with some real evidence |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. I Have Read Articles In The New York Times and The New Republic |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 02:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. ADL Statement on Mel Gibson's 'The Passion' |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 04:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. ADL Letter Supporting Daniel Pipes |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 05:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Red herring. This thread is not about Pipes |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. The ADL under Foxman would consider you antisemitic |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
97. YOU brought up the ADL so I addressed their lack of credibility. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
69. So the New Testement is the same as "Protocols of Elders of Zion?" |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Fucked Up Half Baked Straw Man Argument |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. The Bible isn't historical, and if those scholars claim it is |
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cantwealljustgetalong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 03:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
109. actually, now that you mention it... |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. U R clearly an anti-semite. How dare you make valid points such as |
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jagguy (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
34. right on |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. History vs. story. |
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berry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
37. Here's a link to The New Republic article by one of the scholars. |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. thanks for the link, berry. I'll read it! |
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dfong63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 01:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. full article requires subscription |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 02:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Non-subscription link |
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berry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 03:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Thanks, charlie! Wish I'd seen this before posting below. Oh, well. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. This article points out the objection I was raising to Gibson's film |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 05:09 AM Response to Reply #81 |
103. A possible scenario |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 05:36 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. On second thought, after reading this article I think something is fishy |
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berry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. OK I'll try to explain-- |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
70. He isn't a Catholic |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Let Me Quote Mike Tyson Quoting Mao |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Post 22 clearly says the Gospels are antisemitic |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Why Wouldn't You Invite Foxman |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:51 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Because Foxman believes Mel is an antisemite because his father is |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. The Gospels are anti-Semitic, and it is not just me ranting... |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 07:00 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Nobody interprets the gospels that way but the Aryan Nations |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 05:28 AM Response to Reply #85 |
104. Who else is ranting that the Gospels are anti-Semitic? I read the |
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Dob Bole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
53. Gibson's movie is Anti-Whitey! Censor it!! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. If You Read The Entire Thread And Links |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
91. Oh boy...now THERE'S a group of credible folks. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 04:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
102. Acutally, the Catholic historians read a leaked script (n/t) |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
58. Oh? Gibson is an artist now? I guess that's why he pre-screened |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 03:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Of course he is. Artists can make "bad" art too, can't they? |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
61. You're spot on about this -- it's about freedom, |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 05:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. That's A Red Herring |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. Those who have seen the movie said he didn't |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Documentation Please |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I have to prove to Al Copone, that Moran is a gangster. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 06:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. We |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 07:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I'm Tired Of This Debate |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. bye bye |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
92. Why do you insist that because some Jews played a part in that |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 07:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. What sort of freedom is there in inciting hatred of Jews? |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 07:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. We won't know for sure until the movie comes out! |
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DemLikr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-02-03 09:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. But then the detractors would miss out on all the fun of outrage and |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
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salmonhorse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 03:56 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Otherwise check out Gibson in... |
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salmonhorse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 08:40 AM Response to Reply #100 |
108. Only seems fair after an evening out with my gay friends...@ Faces, |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-03 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
111. Stay tuned for Mel's next movie |
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