Alabama newspaper editor says gays deserve to die

[ironflange]

Not only gays, but those who don't hate them. This may sound a bit harsh, but I am not exaggerating. Here it is:

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Those who do such things, and those who think they are amusing - or innocent - are worthy of death.
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http://www2.mountaineagle.com/22081.html?%5brkey=0022801+%5bcr=gdn

:scared:
This sort of thing must play well in Jasper.

[iamjoy]

1. Oh Yeah!

I hope the Republicans put her on in prime time at their National Convention, she should give this speech. She makes Jerry Falwell look tolerant.

[Alenne]

2. She sounds crazy nt

[Mick Knox]

3. wow.. this is getting to be a little much.. nt

[pscot]

4. Lucky for her

we don't always get what we deserve.

[girl gone mad]

5. Ugh.

"My first question is, do these people not read the Bible? Have they forgotten Sodom and Gomorrah? At what point do they think the Lord changed His mind about the sin of homosexuality?"

Has this lady not read the Constitution? Has she forgotted about Seperation of Church and State?

Such filthy vile, and from a self-professed Christian, no less.

[LiberalFighter]

16. That is the problem

They don't want Separation of Church and State. They WANT and DEMAND that the bible defines the law for everyone under their interpretation.

[malletgirl02]

34. I agree with you

Apparently she not only didn't read the Constitution, but she didn't read the Bible either. If if she had then she would have know that Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of homosexuality, because of of inhospitality. The people of those two cities were hostile to outsiders and they didn't even treat their widows and poor right.

[guitar man]

35. Welcome to Jasper,Alabama

Apparently,she didn't keep reading or she would see that according to the next part of the story,God told Lot to GET OUT of Sodom.Not stay and write stupid editorials,not to try to change the laws to fit Biblical views,but to GET OUT! So if this woman beleives with all her heart that she is living in "Sodom and Gomorrah",she needs to pack her shit up and LEAVE,and not look back lest she be turned to a pillar of salt. :evilgrin:

[orwell]

6. Everybody Must Get Stoned

If you are not up on the offenses that require you to be stoned to death might I cite the word of "the Lord":

"And The Lord said to Moses ... He who blasphemes the Name of The Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death." (Leviticus 24:13,16 RSV)

"If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ... You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from The Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:6,10 RSV)

"While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day ... And The Lord said to Moses, "The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." (Numbers 15:32,35 RSV)

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2003/20031128.htm

Man, you can't even gather sticks on the sabbath day without getting stoned. In the author's words:

"That also seems crystal clear. Those who do such things, and those who think they are amusing - or innocent - are worthy of death."

Excuse me, I have some rocks to gather...

O

[smirkymonkey]

10. What kind of f**ed-up, hateful message is that?

...And how screwed up you must be to follow it?

Or I guess you can just pick out the parts you like.

[orwell]

18. Oh Brother

It's a satire.

Jeeze...

O

[kayell]

26. I really, really wish it were

but in the strange world on this side of the rabbit hole, this woman is serious.

[smirkymonkey]

42. I wasn't referring to your satire, but

to the biblical passages themselves (which, are to me pretty representative of most passages in the bible). So much about killing, and death and "smiting" - I just can't believe that people read those words and get spritually inspired by them.

Sorry if my post was unclear, but all this ugliness in the name of religion lately has me mad as a hatter. :)

[smirkymonkey]

43. Actually, on second thought,

I think I might have been replying to the original post and the psycho who said it (the editor, not the original poster). It's kind of late and I really don't remember.

Never mind.

Sorry for the confusion!

[proud patriot]

7. Fire her ass

Advocating violence against Americans , is disgraceful

[slinkerwink]

8. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD???

[CHIMO]

9. Guess

We all will end up blind and toothless.

[VOX]

11. Hasn't this reactionary harpy read to the part where it says "judge not...

that ye be not judged?" Hasn't she managed to hang with her beloved scripture long enough to get to the line, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone?"

Some well-meaning soul in the Lounge started a thread about how the current surge in Christianity was a good thing for making people see the light and getting them to accept the broader mainstream of humanity without hate.

Nonsense. The fundies' religion is a weapon, and they're gunning for anyone in their path.

[Spirochete]

12. I didn't know

Ann Coulter had a sister... :shrug:

[Maeve]

13. Previous thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1162681

I think there are even phone numbers and e-mail addys in there,

[jmags]

14. Let's smite her.

[kayell]

17. Yes, there is lots of good contact info in that thread

Everything from contacts for the author and her publisher to the FBI national and regional contacts and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

[BigDaddyLove]

15. The quote you pulled from the article is summing up what.......

is written in the Bible, not her own feeling toward 'those' people (sinners)....though I'm sure she feels the same way.

Your subjectline is misleading.

Some people believe this stuff.....you don't, so what?

[kayell]

19. That article is quite clearly a call to ACTUAL REAL violence

She is not just saying that homosexuals have it coming in the afterlife, but calling for humans to do "god's work" right now. Read the article again.

[BigDaddyLove]

20. You need to read it again, and then show me where it calls......

ANYONE to violence.

It merely rehashes sections of the Bible to show the faithful how God and friends supposedly feel about homosexuality.

[kayell]

24. She may not have come right out and said "Hey boys grab your guns,

there's killin' to be done" but her intent is very, very clear.

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"Christians need to come up with some ammunition against this grievous sin, and soon."

"Where will we get this ammunition to fight against "spiritual wickedness in high places"? From the Word of God - the only place that, in the end, will matter.

""And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Revelation 20:12"

"The Israelites were commanded as part of the law given to Moses and Aaron: "If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13. In the beginning, those who were found guilty of such a sin were simply executed. God's opinion of the act of homosexuality was that it was a sin worthy of death."

""Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Romans 1:32.

That also seems crystal clear. Those who do such things, and those who think they are amusing - or innocent - are worthy of death."

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Doesn't sound like mere rhetorical flourishes to me. That is a crystal clear call for the authors sort of so-called "Christians" to take up arms and mete out "justice" NOW.

Even if (and that looks like an extremely iffy if) she did not intend it that way, it would be the most incredibly irresponsible use of biblical language possible. Anyone who works for a newspaper and did not understand what that would mean to many of her readers....Nope, I don't buy it - she is flat out inciting violence.

[BigDaddyLove]

25. Her intent is to give Biblical reasons for her and others.........

to be against homosexuality.

What were you expecting, the Christian right to welcome Gay Marriage with open arms?

Homosexuality is a sin to her and her ilk, should she be defending it?

[kayell]

27. No, but I don't expect to be marked down for death

I think you are deliberately avoiding seeing what she is saying. I have actually known fundies, who I certainly didn't agree with on many things, but with whom I could have civilized conversations about even gay marriage. They never sounded like this. They were deeply worried for my soul, and did lot's of threatening to pray for me. They didn't start talking about ammunition, and then make the statement "That also seems crystal clear. Those who do such things, and those who think they are amusing - or innocent - are worthy of death." I don't believe you'll find that one anywhere in the bible, so saying that she is just giving biblical reasons is deceptive.

[BigDaddyLove]

29. Maybe you're right.........

I guess I just take (and expect) this sort of rhetoric with a grain of salt...I'm just not surprised or shocked by Fundamentalist vitriol against homosexuality anymore.

[Lars39]

21. She is inciting violence.

[cboy4]

28. No, the quote pulled from the article IS

summing up what that racist writer believes and advocates, so the subject line is absolutely NOT misleading.

You know, some people who "believe this stuff," as you put it, have no problem taking a baseball bat and cracking it over a gay person's head as he or she walks down the street.

Did you know some people also believe it's okay to dress in white hoods and burn crosses on black people's lawns. Is it okay to just sit back and say "so what" to that also?

Come on now.

[BigDaddyLove]

36. What do you suggest one do to someone who.......

believes that it's O.K. to burn a cross on someone's yard?

Kill them?

People are free to believe whatever they want to believe, you can't legislate thought.

[cboy4]

38. Obviously, people are free to believe

whatever they want. If they want to be racist, there's really nothing I can do about it...and of course I don't want to kill them. My concern is your "so what" statement.

That either shows you don't care that minorities suffer from discrimination and hate crime attacks, or you've given up trying to fight for civil rights, which in either case is unfortunate.

[BigDaddyLove]

40. Absolutely not.........

I care very much that minorities suffer from discrimination and attacks; what I don't care very much about is what people who are obviously a loss cause think about me or anyone else.

The best man at my Wedding was/is gay, and there would be nothing more wonderful for me than if I could return the honor to him one day, but if there is some bigoted writer in Alabama who doesn't like the idea of my doing so then there's nothing I could or should do about it.

[cboy4]

41. Oh, I see what you're saying now!

Thanks for the clarification and that's cool
about your best man :-)

[uhhuh]

22. I love those fundies!!!

She quotes:

Oh, you say, but that was in the Old Testament. The Christians of the church in Corinth were commanded: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God: Be not deceived: "neither fornicators, not idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind ... shall inherit the kingdom of God." I Corinthians 6:9-10

Notice the ... ? Did she just edit THE WORD OF GOD????
Hmmm... I wonder what she left out?

Ah, I see. Here it is:

"9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


I guess thieves and those who covet and drunks and revilers and extortioners are all cool by her. I wonder what God eould think of HER deciding which sinners are more worthy of derision?

I guess too many right wing pseudo-Christians fit into those other categories. It may hit too close to home.

[BigDaddyLove]

23. No, she covers most everyone.....

you just have to read the whole article in order to find it:

"The actions of these people were listed along with other practices that are still considered sin: fornication, wickedness, covetousness, murder, backbiters, haters of God, proud, despiteful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without natural affection, unmerciful..."

[uhhuh]

30. True

But she seems to think so little of these other things that she edits out their reference in the "WORD OF GOD" in the first quote.
She doesn't seem outraged about drunkenness or adultery, or even murder. She just includes them in a laundry list of other sins.
Should the proud, or those who covet, or adulterers be put to death, or even denied rights? Does she indicate any outrage about these things?
I don't see it if she does.

[bagnana]

31. fundies conveniently use old vs. new testament to justify hate.

I have noticed that a lot of fundies quote from the Old Testament and fire and brimstone etc. to freak people out and show how much God hates them. Then, when you start quoting from the Old Testament's, well, other strange requirements, then suddenly they disclaim the whole thing: that's old, we follow the New.

Here's what the Old Testament would require of marriage:

A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5.)

B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)

C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)

D. Marriage between a believer and a nonbeliever shall be forbidden.
(Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)

E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)

F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10;
Deut25:5-10)--

Well that's Old Testament, you say? Well then why are you quoting genesis, woman?

Under the New Testament:

Matthew 5:32

1. "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.”
Matthew 19:9
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
Mark 10:11
"Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her.”
Luke 16:18
"Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.”

So, if we were REALLY GOING TO PRESERVE THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE as prescribed by the New Testament, we would have to outlaw adultery and divorce. We are all born equal -- some are just more equal than others.

[lumpy]

45. And for god's sake don't eat bacon.

Religious battles lead to bloodshed, surely against god's important commandment.

[BigDaddyLove]

32. I see this as going to the FreeRepublic and expecting to find......

a hundred threads devoted to the great things Bill Clinton did for America....ain't gonna happen.

Gays are pretty much enemy #1 when it comes to the Religious Right and being shocked when there's resistance and a general recoiling in horror from the 'base' when Gay Marriage is mentioned is odd.

[kayell]

33. Don't be silly

This women is advocating violence. We wouldn't expect freepers to be singing Bills praises, but I think it would be fairly upsetting to see them advocating his murder. And at least Bill has plenty of protection. The average gay or lesbian is going to face the shotgun or baseball bat without a Secret Service detail. We have good reason to know this can happen, because it happens frequently already.

Matthew Shepherd
Brandon Teena
Billy Jack Gaither
Harvey Milk
Roxanne Ellis
Michelle Abdill
Julianne Williams
Lollie Winans

and how many more?

[YNGW]

37. Truth always wins.

The Law convicts.

"Vengence is mine, I shall repay, saith the Lord" - Romans 12:19

[cboy4]

39. huh?

[janx]

44. I'm no biblical scholar (I know and respect one, and he is

ironically on his deathbed now), but when I read about Sodom and Gommorah, I don't see any overt condemnation of same-sex anything. All I see is a guy pleading with some other guy to rape the women instead of the men!

And then he runs away from the city (which is experiencing a rain of fire).

[maxanne]

46. these fundies

are so intolerant - all the while bleating their love for Jesus, who was a pretty tolerant fellow, if what we read is true.

There's a fundie here who has a show on local cable tv. After I wrote an editorial congratulating NH's gay bishop, Gene Robinson, the fundie preacher told his tv flock that I was going to burn in hell.

That led to a heated newspaper exchange he didn't come out the winner of.

At least now I know what to pack for the afterlife.

[Nlighten1]

47. Yeppers...

I'm so glad I don't live in the south anymore.