Janet's Boob and the Passion......some thoughts to ponder, I'm pondering.

[KoKo]

First of all on Janet's boob. It was a "publicity stunt" and a low, smarmy one, at that. She had some studded thingey on her boob that no baby could breast feed through, thereby trashing those who say: "All children know breasts and we shouldn't get ourselves whaked out because of a bare boob in a publicity stunt, because all little kids will see it's a "Mommie's boob" and they won't get upset if you don't."

Janet's bare boob wasn't a "Mommy Boob" which is for nourishment and sustenance of life which boobs have been since the beginning of time.
Janet's boob was enhanced for the "Adult Crowd" which was meant to view the baring/stripping of her clothes for shock/tittilation value. If that turns male Super Bowl viewers on then I'm not complaining, but young children who don't understand the difference between tittilation and sex might have a problem and cause endless hours of questions from parent whom (the dedicated ones) will have some stress explaining to the under 6 year old child.

Next my beef about "The Passion." Do we need endless posts over this movie? Do we need to hype Mel's "Agonistic/Orgasmic" view of "His Jesus?" How much more do we need to bash and beat each other over this movie. I'm more concerned with the political ramifications of how this will go over than endless theological bashings which end up trashing our fellow DU'ers on this issue over the nuances of their beliefs from Jewish through Catholic to the Protestants down to the far RW Fundies. Can't we accept that we DU'ers have many shades of "belief and non-belief" and try to focus more on the political ramifications of this where we might have more agreement than disagreement? Or, at least couldn't we try to do this without trashing each other and being offensive to each other?

Why are we bashing each other over both of these issues? And, is there something about Janet's Boob and "The Passion" which are tied together and so they just keep resurfacing on DU? :shrug:

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

1. hype?

...alot of this is about hype.

Agreed, the Superbowl thing (tho I didnt see it) sounds like a cheesy publicity stunt.

The Passion thing, don't know, havnt seen the movie, will wait till the hoopla dies down & it comes out on video/DVD. I lknow that the last controversial religous movie, The Last Temptation of Christ, wasn't really as awful as it was said to be.

[teryang]

2. Who shives a git?

Janet's boob, Mel's passion, gay marriages- these are the monumental issues that totalitarianism must deal with.

[sendero]

3. I'd be happy...

... to never hear of that travesty of a "film" again. Action heroes are action heroes, when they try to step in the realm of art and of the intellect they are invariably over their own heads.

I'll make a deal - y'all stop talking about the horrid gore-fest and I won't talk about "Debbie Does Dallas XIII" :evilgrin:

[Fight_n_back]

7. Action hero?

the sad thing about Gibson is that he is a real actor. He started in theatre like real actors and all of his early movies were serious. To lump him in with people like The Rock, Steven Seagal,Fred Williamson and the Governor of California is.....uninformed.

[sendero]

9. I don't care....

... about his acting "credentials". I've seen no reason to assume he has any special powers of observation about the human condition.

Like Bush*, he's just another child trying to impress his daddy. Sad isn't it.

I've never been particularly impressed with "actors" in general, and this movie does nothing to change my opinion.

[Fight_n_back]

11. Your original post implied

that you did care. You put him in a specific class of actor that you found demeaning.

Sorry you don't like movies, how sad for you.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

4. The Devil's in the details. So ponder. And my obligatory DOMINION recap

The whipping up of the old anti-semitic and anti-homosexual
'passions' is cover for a very real and documented 30 year campaign to make this country into a Hitlerian theocracy
fueled by fundamentalist religious passions called 'Dominionism.'

This is the basic model of religion-fueled fascism:
Supreme Dictator Smiting Evil-doers Wrathfully
With No Legal Restraints. Sound familar?

'THE CHOSEN FEW' IS BEING MORPHED INTO 'THE MASTER RACE'
THE SAME WAY 'GET OSAMA' WAS MORPHED INTO 'GET SADDAM'! GET IT?

We are living in the closing minutes of a culture war that the American Taliban, called Dominionists, are winning.
'Might Makes Right' is WINNING over 'The Rule of Law.'
The US Constitution (as people power) is being gutted and replaced with the Bible (as king power) so we will all suffer permanent war, not enjoy imminent peace.

Georgie's brain is much worse than you think and he's being used for terrible purposes. Here's a British clinical psychologist's researched analysis of the boy king. He interviewed Georgie's family, friends and such and determined that he was abused as a child and developed an 'authoritarian personality,' the root of fascism.
Read it and weep for him and us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, how do you feel about your mom and dad?)-CLICK

And this personality is being exploited to further the creation of a Hitlerian Theocracy called ‘Dominionism’, which has been going on in this country for the last thirty years. Read it and wonder what the hell we're in for next now that Eugenics is domestic policy and Imperialism is foreign policy.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml
(God Bless America, The Constitution is Dead)-CLICK

If you'd like to read the full speech of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia back in the dark ages of January 2002 when he said that 'democracy interferes with the Divine Right of Kings and he's doing something about it,' read this and wonder what century we're living in and just what that Constitution was for, anyway.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/scalia.htm
(God's Justice and Ours)-CLICK

How can they get away with it when everyone seems to be pissed off at Georgie and we're supposed to be able to vote the bastard out of our White House? By fixing the electronic voting machines for 'the House.' Read this and decide which country to escape to this fall when Georgie is reinstalled to finish the job he was sent to do-eliminate democracy totally, create a police state, and conquer the world.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
(Diebold, Electonic Voting, and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)-CLICK

LATE BREAKING NEWS-FEB. 26 2004
Right now the Dominionists are introducing legislation to replace 'The People' as the authority in our democracy’s Constitution with ‘God’ in a bill called ‘The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004,’ exactly the opposite of what it really is. The legalities of the Christian Theocracy are being used to destroy our laws as if by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

This is not a test! It is absolutely real and happening right now while the media are busy covering gay marriage and Mel Gibson’s bloody crucifixion porn film, ‘The Passion of the Christ.’

“…on February 11 , 2004 Dominionist leaders in congress made their move; they introduced a bill in both houses called The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004. Among the sponsors of the bill are Rep. Robert Aderholt (Alabama), Rep. Michael Pence (Indiana), Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, Sen. Zell Miller (Georgia), Sen. Sam Brownback (Kansas), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (South Carolina).

The House version is H.R. 3799 and the Senate version is S. 2082. The bill limits the U.S. Supreme Court and federal courts to hear cases involving “expressions of religious faith by elected or appointed officials.”

Although the claim by its sponsors appears to be that the intention is to prevent the courts from hearing cases involving the Ten Commandments or a Nativity Scene in a public setting from being reviewed, the law is drawn broadly and expressly includes the acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law by an official in his capacity of executing his office.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0402/S00172.htm
(The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004)-CLICK

[Karenina]

5. Which deserves a

:kick:

[KoKo]

10. Hey, great links! Glad my post pulled those out of ya, or did you have

them waiting.....lot's of work there. Thanks :-)

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. Are you saying if Janet exposed a nipple it would be okay?

Personally I must have had my head turned at the right moment during her performance because I don't recall seeing her breast.

I do however wonder about those offended by a bared breast but not the lyrics of some of the songs performed at halftime. Where's the consistency?

As to the Super Bowl being a family event I never watched it with my dad. To me the Super Bowl is watched by groups of adult males getting inebriated and pigging out on party snacks.

[Fight_n_back]

8. Nobody saw it

the only way to see it was during the frequent replays in slow motion.