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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:00 PM
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Free State Project Eyes New Hampshire as "Libertarian Paradise"
A local newsmagazine on Boston's ABC affiliate just did a segment on the Free State Project (http://freestateproject.org/index.jsp). This is their credo:

"The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty-oriented people will move to New Hampshire, where they may work within the political system to reduce the size and scope of government. The success of the Free State Project would likely entail reductions in burdensome taxation and regulation, reforms in state and local law, an end to federal mandates, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world."

The free staters are attracted to NH because of no income tax, no sales tax, no helmet law, and little gun regulation. NH's lax environmental laws are causing problems in the neighboring states.

NH is suffering from shortfalls in education spending. Property taxes have skyrocketed to fund the growing population. I don't think they will find the paradise they think is there.

If things get bad in this country, what if a liberal movement decided to move to a Blue State and create a progressive paradise?
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E-Z Rider Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:06 PM
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1. you're thinking of California?
=)

I'm really looking forward to see how this Free State project comes along.

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:07 PM
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2. either California
or Hawaii :loveya:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:37 PM
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11. Hawaii
I'd go there. :bounce:

Actually, I've been keeping an eye on the free state project for awhile now. I don't support all their ideas, but I do admire them for trying to do something about their dissatisfaction with an inaccessible government.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:08 PM
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3. We're sure it wasn't the super cheap State run Booze stores that motivated
????

:-)
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:14 PM
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6. Now that liquor stores are open in Mass on Sundays
no need to go up to Cow Hampshire. Marty's and Blanchard's are as cheap as NH liquor stores anyway.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:30 PM
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8. Marty's and Blanchard's ? - first really really can use right away
info I have gotten from DU posting!

I checked out local downtown Boston to buy for a friend a gift bottle, and the price was 5 to 15 higher than in NH!

:-)

Thanks for the info!

:-)
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:34 PM
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10. There is also Sav-Mor Liquors
on McGrath Highway in Somerville (across from Twin Cities Plaza). They have really cheap wine (2/$10, 3/$10) AND great deals on hard liquor and beer. If you're ever in the neighborhood, you should stop there.

Can you tell I like to drink? :beer:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 09:05 PM
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14. smile - I find that I also like to drink - if the gout will let me!
Sometime I even dare fate - as in gout - and enjoy!

:-)

:toast:

:-)
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:11 PM
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4. Probably easier to do in Wyoming.
Small population and also maybe more congenial culturally, too.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:12 PM
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5. You can come to Maine
We can always use more progressives. :)
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:15 PM
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7. Too cold! And I'm speaking as a Massachusetts person
I LOVE Maine-it's so beautiful-but winters there are hell! :scared:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:33 PM
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9. I sold the Maine lake property in 76 for 30, now folks want 500!
If I has just stood still, rather than chase money up and down the East Coast, I would have had that nest egg for the move to Florida!

:-)
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 08:39 PM
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12. Link: Vermont Manifesto - Liberal secession movement.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 09:01 PM
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13. Thanks!
:hi:
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 09:18 PM
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15. Ah, New Hampshire
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 09:19 PM by camero
http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/water/dwg/gw/research/summary/158.pdf

Residents who consumed water that had an arsenic level greater than 5 µg/L for 10 years or longer were more likely to report a diagnosis of skin cancer, adult onset diabetes, and cardiovascular disease than age-matched residents who drank water that contained no detectable arsenic. While these findings should be interpreted cautiously, they are consistent with previously published studies and
support ongoing efforts to reduce long-term exposure to arsenic-contaminated drinking water. It is especially important for residents who use water from private wells to have them tested for arsenic. Water supplies that contain more than 10 µg of arsenic per liter should not be used as a primary source of drinking water unless they are treated with an approved arsenic-removal device.

The current federal regs for drinking water is 50 ppb (parts per billion). Come to America, but don't drink the water.
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