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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:36 PM
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"Jesus Chainsaw Massacre"
How Fark.com is referring to Mel's Passion. :D

Pass it on.
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:38 PM
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1. LOLOL!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:40 PM
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2. "Dolorosa Excruciata"....Oh, my!
Do the other Nuns call her "Dolo" or "Rosa" for short?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:40 PM
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3. Sure, let's just mock Christianity
Why not after all? Christians aren't really people.

Wedge. Wedge. Wedge.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:46 PM
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6. Oh, RELAX
Obviously, it's a goof on Gibson, not Jesus.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:50 PM
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9. That's why Gibson's name is in the title
Not.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:53 PM
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11. Oops, sorry.
I should know better than to try to explain humor to people who don't have a sense of it.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:02 PM
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19. My sense for anti-Christian humor went away
After the hundreds of anti-religious threads here.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:05 PM
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:14 PM
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26. tell me something
Do you honestly think that all Christians should have the exact same opinion on this film?

I've read reviews by and spoken to Christians who don't like it at all.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:47 PM
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7. A religious-themed splatter fest is not "Christianity"
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 01:48 PM by hatrack
"The Passion Of The Christ" is a movie.

Moreover, "The Passion" is a commercial product designed to make money for Mel Gibson and those who invested in the film's production.

So far, I have heard no reports that any profits from this enterprise will be donated to charity, Christian or otherwise.

So, how, exactly, does a profit-making venture, or more specifically, 126 minutes' worth of celluloid = "Christianity"?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:51 PM
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10. In case you hadn't noticed
It's a movie about Christ.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:55 PM
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12. So therefore Gibson's interpretation is not to be criticized?
Shame word on this edict didn't get out before Martin Scorsese released "The Last Temptation Of Christ".

More to the point, answer my question. How does this commercial enterprise = "Christianity"?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:03 PM
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21. Criticize the movie all you wish
As long as you do so with the understanding that it is a characterization of something many of us hold sacred. That should temper your comments or at least qualify them.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:06 PM
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23. So Mel Gibson's sadism is "sacred"?
Very strange....
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:39 PM
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36. Your comment
Very strange...
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:17 AM
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49. I've seen the movie Muddle, and it's true what they are saying.
You should go see the movie before you jump to defend it. It was the worst piece of crap I've ever seen. Pornographic I'd say. Disgusting.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:16 PM
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27. Sorry pal, very few Alan Colmeses here. Most here have other styles.
Lotsa Al Frankens. Me likes it.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:40 PM
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37. Al Franken is funny
If ONE of the anti-religionist posters could muster that level of humor, I'd be shocked.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:19 PM
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29. I hold every human life sacred
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 02:21 PM by Monica_L
Posts here dealing with the death penalty have offended me to the core of my being, some much more than others. That has not caused any pro-death supporters to temper their bloodthirsty comments or cease referring to what I hold sacred as "garbage."
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:41 PM
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38. They are not attacks on your religion
False comparison.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:45 PM
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40. Yes, it most certainly is my religion
as well as my deeply held spiritual belief and the term "garbage" applied to any living human person is highly offensive to my spiritual beliefs.

Or is this a case where your religion trumps mine?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:30 AM
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46. So what religion is this?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:38 PM
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35. You should understand that a lot of us hold NOTHING sacred...
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 04:40 PM by RandomKoolzip
Atheists like me stand back and chuckle at the absurdity of so many people getting up in arms about this movie. I couldn't give a fuck WHO killed this Jesus dude, personally. (I think the butler did it, BTW)

I'd much rather find out who killed Paul Wellstone.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 08:21 AM
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45. You hold things sacred
you ain't foolin' me!
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:20 AM
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51. No, it shouldn't
That's just silly. A movie about Jesus doesn't get special consideration because of the way some people feel about it's subject matter. That would be "special rights" for Christians.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:21 AM
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52. Comments should be tempered? Not really.
This isn't the best place to wear your heart out on your sleeve. You should know that.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:02 PM
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18. By this logic The Exorcist was a religious movie
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:02 PM
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20. Well, Christ didn't MAKE the movie, did he?
Are we to accept this snuff movie as the Word made celluloid?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:58 PM
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15. If it were, Herschel Gordon Lewis
(legendary gore film maker) would be a holy prophet...

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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:12 AM
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47. It's designed to do a lot more than make money.
It reinforces the seed planted centuries ago that Jesus is a white man. And the white man is now the biggest victim in the world.
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:50 PM
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8. I don't think anyone here is mocking Christianity
Just the blasphemous fraud that's masquerading as it - another cheap imitation from the far right. Once you get past the blatent anti-semitism and bad theology, this film strikes me as just sado-masochistic pornography and incitement to hatred.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:56 PM
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13. Not funny is religious fervor used for murder and GUTTING the Constitution
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 01:59 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
The whipping up of the old anti-semitic memes is cover for a very real and documented campaign to make this country a Hitlerian Theocracy fueled by fundamentalist passion.
'THE CHOSEN FEW' IS BEING MORPHED INTO 'THE MASTER RACE'
THE SAME WAY 'GET OSAMA' WAS MORPHED INTO 'GET SADDAM'!!

We are living in the closing minutes of a culture war that the American Taliban is winning. 'Might Makes Right' is WINNING over 'The Rule of Law. 'I've decided to post this synopsis in all my thread responses:

Georgie's brain is much worse than you think and he's being used for terrible purposes. Here's a British clinical psychologist's researched analysis of the boy king. He interviewed Georgie's family, friends and such and determined that he was abused as a child and developed an 'authoritarian personality,' the root of fascism! Read it and weep for him and us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, how do you feel about your mom and dad?)-CLICK

And this personality is being exploited to further the creation of a Hitlerian Theocracy called ‘Dominionism’, which has been going on in this country for the last thirty years. Read it and wonder what the hell we're in for next now that Eugenics is domestic policy and Imperialism is foreign policy.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml
(God Bless America, The Constitution is Dead)-CLICK

If you'd like to read the full speech of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia back in the dark ages of January 2002 when he said that 'democracy interferes with the Divine Right of Kings and he's doing something about it,' read this and wonder what century we're living in and just what that Constitution was for, anyway.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/scalia.htm
(God's Justice and Ours)-CLICK

How can they get away with it when everyone seems to be pissed off at Georgie and we're supposed to be able to vote the bastard out of our White House? By fixing the electronic voting machines for 'the House.' Read this and decide which country to escape to this fall when Georgie is reinstalled to finish the job he was sent to do-eliminate democracy totally, create a police state, and conquer the world.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
(Diebold, Electonic Voting, and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)-CLICK

LATE BREAKING NEWS-FEB. 26 2004
Right now the Dominionists are introducing legislation to replace 'The People' as the authority in our democracy’s Constitution with ‘God’ in a bill called ‘The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004,’ exactly the opposite of what it really is. The legalities of the Christian Theocracy are being used to destroy our laws as if by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

This is not a test! It is absolutely real and happening right now while the media are busy covering gay marriage and Mel Gibson’s bloody crucifixion porn film, ‘The Passion of the Christ.’

“…on February 11 , 2004 Dominionist leaders in congress made their move; they introduced a bill in both houses called The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004. Among the sponsors of the bill are Rep. Robert Aderholt (Alabama), Rep. Michael Pence (Indiana), Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, Sen. Zell Miller (Georgia), Sen. Sam Brownback (Kansas), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (South Carolina).

The House version is H.R. 3799 and the Senate version is S. 2082. The bill limits the U.S. Supreme Court and federal courts to hear cases involving “expressions of religious faith by elected or appointed officials.”

Although the claim by its sponsors appears to be that the intention is to prevent the courts from hearing cases involving the Ten Commandments or a Nativity Scene in a public setting from being reviewed, the law is drawn broadly and expressly includes the acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law by an official in his capacity of executing his office.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0402/S00172.htm
(The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004)-CLICK
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:57 PM
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14. Well...
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:58 PM
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16. they are real ppl
but that doesnt mean that they dont need a good mocking
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:12 PM
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25. Thou shalt not worship a graven image
Mocking a work of Christian-themed art is not at all the same as mocking Christianity. It is a really cheap tactic for an artist to claim his work is above criticism simply by virtue of the subject matter, and that is one of many reasons Mel is getting so much grief. The film The Ten Commandments is a highly ridiculous and mockable film, but that is not the same as mocking Judaism.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:19 PM
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28. indeed
The argument that criticism of this film is an insult to Christianity is in fact an argument for CONFORMITY and universal agreement among Christians.

Just when religious groups were getting more ecumenical....all of a sudden, they are not to disagree with one another.

This is a deeply conservative, authoritarian argument.

Mel Gibson's interpretation is exactly that. Apparently a number of people have decided that Mel Gibson (who holds some disturbing conservative beliefs) is infallible and that his product is inspired by God and therefore EXACTLY as it was.

This is a theocratic argument and out of place in what is supposed to be a pluralistic democracy.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:44 PM
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30. Best display of reason in this thread so far (nt)
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 03:45 PM
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31. No, we're mocking Gibson's Acetate Idol...
And I'm not even sure "mocking" is the proper word.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the REAL Jesus didn't play himself in this flick, did he? Did Mad Max get God to put in a "special guest appearance"?

I tend to agree with Dymaxia, in that this is ONLY Mel Gibson's interpretation of those events, and possibly seen through the filter of Gibson's alleged "Catholic Fundamentalism".

I further feel that there are some people out there for whom the line between reality and fantasy are blurred enough for them to actually BELIEVE that is Jesus incarnate up there on the screen bleeding all over the place.

Now, that's scary.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:50 PM
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41. Christians should always enjoy a good wedgie...
That Pat Oliphant cartoon was perfect.

I'm a Christian, but I won't be seeing that movie. Plenty of innocent people are dying like Christ every day. But Christ wasn't innocent. He and His Dad knew beforehand what was going to happen... I dare anyone to deny that.

I'm so sorry that Mel Gibson got himself a boner with this "Passion." Something is very wrong with the world.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:15 AM
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48. Christianity ought to be mocked for the white supremacy system that
it is. It's the religion that turned God into a white man and then was literally forced down the throats of the whole world as white armies plundered across the world.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 09:19 AM
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50. Oversensitive much?
This thread is not mocking Christianity.

Why don't you start another thread where you defend child-raping priests.
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:41 PM
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4. "The Crucifixion of Mad Max"
IMHO!:evilgrin:
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:44 PM
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5. The Road Savior..
anyways,
now you can get your Passion Witnessing Tools!
http://www.sharethepassionofthechrist.com/witness.asp
(buy the passion of christ)
this site is sloooow! must be packed
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:33 PM
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33. Lethal Redemption..coming to a theater near YOU this spring!
....let the ressurection MOVE you! :evilgrin:
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:58 PM
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17. i call it the Passion of the Fake
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 02:12 PM
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24. There's another Jesus movie...
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:28 PM
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32. Or even ...
... the Jesus and Mary Chain-Saw Massacre ...
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:37 PM
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34. "Mad Max Jesus Movie" is how
the guy in the next office labels it.

(and, yes, he did see it and he is a church goer---he *really* didn't like it I gathered but he's not the sort I generally get into difficult subjects with!)
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:43 PM
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39. Here are mine
Cine-Raputure
Insta-Christian
The road to Mel was paved with good intentions
Replace the Jesus character with a top-heavy blonde, and it's just another snuff film

:headbang:
rocknation
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 04:52 PM
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42. NYTimes A O Scott made similar references yesterday
"The first part, which takes place in the murk and gloom of night (shot by the superb cinematographer Caleb Deschanel), has the feel of a horror movie. As Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane, the camera tiptoes around him like a stalker, and John Debney's score is a high-toned creep show of menacing orchestral undertones and spine-jabbing choral effects. A slithery, effeminate Satan (played, the end credits reveal, by a woman named Rosalinda Celentano) slinks around like something in a Wes Craven nightmare, and Judas, reeling from his betrayal, is menaced by demon children with pointy teeth and milky eyes.

When daylight dawns, the mood shifts from horror-movie suspense to slasher-film dread...

.."The Passion of the Christ" never provides a clear sense of what all of this bloodshed was for, an inconclusiveness that is Mr. Gibson's most serious artistic failure. The Gospels, at least in some interpretations, suggest that the story ends in forgiveness. But such an ending seems beyond Mr. Gibson's imaginative capacities. Perhaps he suspects that his public prefers terror, fury and gore."

http://movies2.nytimes.com/2004/02/25/movies/25SCOT.html?pagewanted=print&position=

I know I'm not rushing out to see this one.
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The Icon Painter Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 05:15 PM
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43. That Movie
I just call it "Mel Gibson's Dirty Little Movie."
Even the clips shown on TV are more pornographic than the entire film "The Story of O." Now there was S&M with class!

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 07:18 PM
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44. you guys
are so funny, and i need desperately to laugh!
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