Is Bu$h a 'closet' homosexual?

[Jose Diablo]

Think about it. The comments about "lump in the bed Laura". The Liberty very macho images with sock in crotch Bu$h claiming victory. And then there is the rumors about Bu$h flying to Knoxville to see his buddy from Harvard Glee Club. And now, an amendment that has zero chance of getting through, yet would portray him as very hetero for trying to get it passed.

Is this the act of a gay person in denial or trying to hide the truth. Getting a wife so he will look 'normal'. Trying to live a life he cannot have because of how he is wired?

More to the point, trying to hide what he is to his last base of voters, the uber right wing.

Please understand, I am not dissin' gay people, I am trying to understand if Bu$h's conduct is similar to a 'closet' homosexual.

[Az]

1. It takes too much self realization

to figure out you are gay. I don't think self examination is *'s strong suit.

[BigDaddyLove]

6. More self realization than it takes to be heterosexual?

I thought gays, like straights are born into their sexual orientations.

Shouldn't take too much thought.

[Az]

10. Yes but

Society and in particular some belief systems try to press people into rolls. It may well be that George has homosexual desires but is incapable of examining his own intrests enough to break out of the socialization he has been put through. Thus he would be deeply closeted gay that did not realize his own nature.

[BigDaddyLove]

17. Do homosexuals see homosexuality (at least repressed) in.....

every heterosexual?

[Az]

22. I wouldn't think so

But then I cannot speak authoratatively on that one as I don't think I am gay.

[BigDaddyLove]

28. Self realization.......

I hear that the more of it we do, the more we find out about ourselves.

Maybe you ARE gay and just don't know it yet. :)

[Az]

31. Perhaps

I like to think I examine my drives and nature. I may be mistaken but I continue to examine my life. There are those that do not feel as free as perhaps I do and believe that if they do not follow certain social guidelines they are horrible people. Thus they oppress or deny their own nature and attempt to be what is expected of them.

There are also those that realized what their nature was and later attempt to deny it. Whether it was forced pressure or a continuing battle with beliefs some find themself in the undesirable position of having to try to repress themself due to these beliefs.

Unfortunately the stress and pressure of trying to deal with a balance between what society expects and what your sense of self expresses sometimes leads to horrible actions. Lashing out at others or taking their own life are not unheard of reactions to this turmoil. It is the case of lashing out at others that draws our attention to George and others that seem to seethe with hatred for homosexuals.

[BigDaddyLove]

33. George 'seethes with hatred for homosexuals'?

Is that what you honestly believe?

I don't think he cares either way about homosexuals....his decision to support an anti-gay marriage amendment is a political move, nothing more nothing less...what exactly would one expect from a Republican President?

[shooga]

62. beltway rumours ....

... it's some dude in D.C.

probably someone right under our noses.








...hence the Tweety fascination with Feinman ... Tweety has a thing for Dubya.

[shooga]

64. log cabin

is this why he got such a strong "log cabin" vote??



(I love that term)

[amazona]

51. not seeing where...

...it takes much self examination to get it on with another boy on the beach of your parents' summer house. Nor do I see where it takes much self examination to continue on with your playmate, especially when he conveniently appears at your same school. Nor do I see where it takes much self examination to keep visiting the pleasant southern state where your playmate has a political career and to get involved in a few gay orgies etc. and so on...

Sex is not about self examination. People act on impulse and then, when the impulse is satisfied, they remember where that impulse was satisfied. And when they have need, they return to the source.

You don't have to be Socrates to get laid, sorry, no! Much as we may hate to admit it, there are stupid gay men who have sex just as often if not more so as the thoughtful ones.

[BigDaddyLove]

2. No.

.

[bahrbearian]

3. I think everyone that joined Skull and Bone's is...

[info being]

36. That's right...the initiation cerimony is homosexual

[shooga]

63. I remember from my college frat days ...

... full male nudity in the "house" was a common thing.

[hippiegranny]

4. perish the thought!

we don't want him batting for our team!

[Webster Green]

5. He fits the profile of queer in denial exhibiting homophobia.....

The thought of the chimp being any kind of sexual gives me the fucking willies.

[SharonAnn]

19. The "what" kind of willies?

How appropriate.

[rock]

7. I'd say he's a latent homosexual

and he's repressed it.

[foreigncorrespondent]

8. There are so many things wrong with this thread...

... that I don't even know why I am replying.

Basically, when I was still in the closet, I didn't actually go around wanting to amend my countries constitution to deem a group of citizens, second class. So your answer is NO!

[Virginian]

21. But, weren't you in the closet, not in denial? n/t

[foreigncorrespondent]

29. When I was in the closet...

...meaning, I was hiding everything from my family, friends, the "boyfriend" I had, and myself. I most certainly was in denial. I also happened to be one of the biggest homophobes I knew.

[Virginian]

46. Why do you think...

you were a homophobe? Was it a resistance to a revelation? A fear?

[foreigncorrespondent]

47. For me it was based on fear of acceptance...

...from my family. When you have a family like mine, trust me, you would fear not being accepted as well. Luckily, I was dead wrong about my families acceptance of me as a lesbian.

And my homophobia never surfaced. I kept it buried in myself.

But this whole "Is Bush* gay" line is old. It is schoolyard tactics to speculate about someones sexuality. There is NO proof, so why do we have to have these kinds of threads every few months? Especially considering there is stuff out there WITH proof, we should be focussing on.

[Virginian]

61. How true, how very true

"there is stuff out there WITH proof, we should be focussing on."

What kind of stuff? Stuff like:
The Valerie Plame leak investigation, Enron scapegoats, Hindering the 9/11 investigation.
Where was Dubya when he didn't show up for National Guard drills? Why lie to get us into war? How much has his family businesses benefitted from the war?
He did business with Osama's brother, Has he ever met Osama?
Why all the secrets? What is there to hide this week? What's going on in the background that the Amendment talk is diverting attention away from?

I don't see much of that on the discussion boards.

[loftycity]

27. I agree that there are things wrong with this thread....but

A good friend who I have known for 25 years is gay. And, he believes that other gays should be punished. Of course... he says he is one of the normal ones. ??
One thing to add..he never goes out and never gets out to socialize,except for work.
Plus, he is a radical when it comes to abortion..women should be locked up forever for having one.
He is hard to be around when he gets into a mood about the above issues.
I find it so sad... this self loathing thing. I know it's our culture.

That's why I think the George W thing might have some truth

[H2O Man]

9. why would you care?

a person's sexuality is not up for public debate unless they stand accused of a crime against an unwilling person. Leave this alone ... it is in bad taste, and it has no business being on here.

[Gringo]

13. It's open for discussion

when that person has put himself in a position of condemning the sexuality of others, as Bush has just done. If he is a closet gay, he would be a hypocrite. (Of course he already is a hypocrite in every other arena)

[Az]

16. Ah, but hypocracy is open for critical examination

To publically say one thing and live another opens to door a bit. The stick you use to bash your opponent is made available to them to use against you. George calls for suspension of the rights of gays. This opens the door for us to examine his position.

[Gringo]

11. He doesn't strike me as sexual at all.

Seems like the type who ruts for 2 minutes, gets off, goes to sleep leaving his partner in utter frustration, but mercifully very seldom.

To be fair to Bush, I wouldn't touch a shellacked bitty with a frozen face like Laura with a ten foot pole if you paid me.

[Monument]

14. Would you like him less if he was gay? What are you implying?

Sorry, but this kind of talk - calling somebody gay - went out of style in the 3rd grade.

[Gringo]

15. I like gays just fine

Closet gays, especially the fundie type are the only onse that creep me out.

[drdigi420]

32. why turn their argument around?

this is about hypocrisy, not about homosexuality

geez

[smirkymonkey]

45. It would be impossible for most people

to dislike him any more than they already do!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. HE could just be sexist/homphobic

and an idiot!

[Virginian]

18. He protesteth, too much.

Long ago I heard that those who are rabidly against gays are "Latient," homosexuals themselves.

He could have "feelings" that he wants to go away and by striking out at those who symbolize his feelings he is striking out at his feelings themselves.

If the symbols aren't there, the feelings might go away.

I've sometimes wondered about straight macho men who seem to have a lot of other men around and don't relate well to women, and are intolerant of gays. Are these a bunch of homosexual men in mutual denial? Maybe psychologist have a label for this.

He might be gay but he would NEVER admit it, not even to himself.

[OneBlueSky]

20. God, I hope not! . . .

we gays have enough problems as it is . . .

[pnb]

23. Don't think so

Unless of course there are some better "reasons" than those listed here.

[radwriter0555]

24. Ask Victor Ashe, his long time companion, confidante and friend, dating

back to college.

google his name together with george. see what pops up.

[Lars39]

50. Victor Ashe was on the ballot in TN as a delegate at large.

At least I think that was the phrase.

[bif]

25. Those pictures of him gazing at Pootie-Poot

had me convinced that something was up. Talk about give you the willies!

[smirkymonkey]

44. Not to mention the Pretty Boy

in Canada...He's repressing something, I'm not sure what, but all the psychological signs are there.

[barbaraann]

26. My guess

is that when he has sex it is with beings he sees as objects, not humans, so the gender is unimportant.

[barbaraann]

30. Look at the picture in this story

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040225/pl_afp/us_georgia_bush_040225201713

Also, there are some other pictures in the slideshow that are interesting, too.

What do you guys think?

[Sparkle]

34. I think he looks like a doofus as always.

[drscm]

35. Just ask Betty Bowers...

http://bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html

She knows.

[Dookus]

37. No

and I'm getting pretty darn tired of people using accusations of homosexuality as an insult.

There's way too much of it here lately.

[LeahMira]

38. Who knows, but...

... I wouldn't be surprised if he hadn't had some sort of experience during his coke-snorting, binge-drinking days... perhaps one that he initiated?

[Rowdyboy]

39. "Please, understand, I'm not dissin' gay people"

Sure sounds like it to me.

[Jose Diablo]

42. Not to me n/t

[foreigncorrespondent]

48. Of course it doesn't sound that way to you.

Your not gay.

[Jose Diablo]

54. I have reread and reread my post

Believe me when I ask you, how am I dissing gays. What words have I used to somehow make you feel I am trying to demean you.

If I am, I apologize, it was not my intent.

Like I said, I am trying to understand what *Bush is doing and more to the point why he is doing what he is doing.

On previous posts I have said gays should have the right to marry. This is based on my understanding that there is nothing immoral or unnatural about a gay relationship. In mankind there is normal variations in how people are. It is natural. The is nothing wrong with being an individual.

As for a thread like this every month or so, I have never seen another thread asking about this. I have been here since last summer.

[foreigncorrespondent]

57. See? That's the damn problem...

...every single person here who does not see how they can be dissing queers say "oh gee, what key word did I use this time?" Why don't you simply take a look at the way you are actually saying things?

And if you haven't seen threads like this since last summer, then you haven't been paying attention. I suggest you dig through the archives.

[nefarious]

68. That insinuation is an insult to closet homosexuals everywhere

By suggesting shrub* is one of them.

What wedge issue will the fear mongers force on us next?

[dsc]

40. Somewhere in America

there is a 7th grader eating alone today because of that assine stereotype you are perpetuating. I know that because several years ago, in a time and place I like to forget, I was that 7th grader. To this day if I eat alone I have a book, or papers, or a cell phone, anything to get rid of the feeling that I am on display eating alone. Bush is a bad President not a gay one.

[Skittles]

41. my guess is he is asexual

better yet, he is just a f***ing a**hole.

[historian]

43. no

I'd say he was a closet neanderthal who is rapidly opening the closet door and exposing himself.

[amazona]

49. my understanding is yes

The gossip around the great state of Tennessee leaves you in little doubt as to his orientation. I can understand why gays don't want to claim him but he gets his sex with men. So call it how you want to call it.

[drdigi420]

52. laura is ugly, but i think she is a she

:)

[Emboldened Chimp]

53. Well, he does say 'fabulous' a lot

[warrior1]

55. he would have to be

human first.

[0007]

56. Who cares how the schmuck gets off!!

[Jose Diablo]

58. About 20 million right wing fundamentalists n/t

[myopic4141]

59. You could be sued

by the homosexual community for defamation of character with this association.

[eridani]

60. What about a closet bisexual?

[Dr Fate]

65. Nah- Rush Limbaugh, perhaps, but not Shrub...

Shrub is just a dumbass.

[Hippo_Tron]

66. No but I bet Tom DeLay is n/t

[LibertyorDeath]

67. He may swing both ways.

[goclark]

69. 10%

Isn't it true that at least 10 % of the population is homosexual?
If that is the case,there are a lot the politicians that are protesting Gay Marriage that are probably Gay themselves.

The hypocrisy of those that are living a lie and acting so nasty to others makes me want to puke! Where is Larry Flynt when we need him to "Out" all of these liers.

How many Cabinet Members-ten?
How many top government neocons - ten?
How many gay bashing members of congress?
How many senators?
Just count and * may be 1 in 10.

My belief is Equal Rights For EVERY Person!

[Piperay]

70. He seems to me like he is

neuter and has no feelings for anyone or anything. :shrug: