Bizzzarrro....Jennings Seeks To Independently Assess Truth Of Gospels

[althecat]

In an item prompted by Mel Gibson.... Peter Jennings sets out to find out whether the Jews really did kill Jesus. He begins by finding someone who thinks the Romans killed Jesus... he then talks to a few experts and eventually concludes, that, most probably, a "small group of the Jewish elite involved in domestic security", at least helped the Romans kill Jesus. He then adds that there is no independent evidence apart from the gospels of this.

... no this is not Monty Python... and there was no sign that I could see of Jennings biting his tongue.

What does this tell us about the state of US Journalism?

[Fight_n_back]

1. Sounds like more PNAC conspiracy theory ramblings

;)

[Syrinx]

2. seems like he did a whole show about Jesus some time ago

Or something related at least. It sounds familiar.

[DenverDem]

3. US Journalism wins the Leni Reifenstal Award.

She was a great technical film maker, however.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

4. It means that Peter Jennings is on LSD. But he did light a fire under AWOL

by suggesting that the story was reckless and unfounded. So folks went off and found it.

I wish he'd say that reports of W being used to establish a Fourth Reich were reckless and unfounded so that the mainstream press would find this:

Georgie is much meaner than you think and he's being used for terrible purposes. Here's a British clinical psychologist's researched analysis of the boy king. He interviewed Georgie's family, friends and such and determined that he was abused as a child and developed an 'authoritarian personality,' the root of fascism. Read it and weep for him and the rest of us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, how do you feel about your mom and dad?)-CLICK

And this personality is being exploited to further the creation of a Hitlerian Theocracy, which has been going on in this country for the last thirty years. Read it and wonder what the hell we're in for next now that Eugenics is domestic policy and Imperialism is foreign policy.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml
(God Bless America, The Constitution is Dead)-CLICK

If you'd like to read the full speech of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia back in the dark ages of January 2002 when he said that 'democracy interferes with the Divine Right of Kings and he's doing something about it,' read this and wonder what century we're living in and just what that Constitution was for, anyway.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/scalia.htm
(God's Justice and Ours)-CLICK

How can they get away with it when everyone seems to be pissed off at Georgie and we're supposed to be able to vote the bastard out of our White House? By fixing the electronic voting machines for 'the House.' Read this and decide which country to escape to this fall when Georgie is reinstalled to finish the job he was sent to do-eliminate democracy totally, create a police state, and conquer the world.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
(Diebold, Electonic Voting, and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)-CLICK

[I AM SPARTACUS]

5. "domestic security"...???

...I gotta polish my tinfoil hat...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. Jesus who?

I don't watch much TV..is he from east la?

[Pobeka]

9. No, from East Carolina

You know, just east of West Carolina? :eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Sorry couldn't help it

Two days of hype...I was being a smartass..no offense intended....

[Bridget Burke]

13. He DOES have a Mexican name!

I can understand your confusion. Too bad they hired a gringo to play the part.

[Pobeka]

16. No offense taken, I was trying to be funny too!

:toast:

[HawkerHurricane]

7. Independently Assess Truth Of Gospels

So, he went to non Biblican sources of that time period, and saw where they matched and where they differed from the Gospels? No?
Then he hasn't done what he said.

[SoCalDem]

8. So...Peter.. Who killed Cock Robin? Will you investigate that next?

</sigh>

[roguevalley]

11. Since the gospels were written forty to a hundred years after

and represent an oral tradition that changed with the political
times, I don't think the Jews did anything to help kill Jesus. I
don't believe they would turn in one of their own people to the
great harlot of Revelations, Rome no matter what they did. They would have taken care of it themselves. I just think Pilate had a bunch of
troublemakers rounded up and killed. As for the barabas or Jesus thing, there is not one moment in Roman history where they ever did that at festivals or any other time. It didn't happen.

Pilate was removed from at least two postings for brutality. The Romans killed Jesus and when they had become the power, the Roman Christians blamed it on the handy scapegoats. Tell me after Bush that this couldn't have happened.

The victors write the histories. Its that easy.

[HawkerHurricane]

12. Barabbas

A friend pointed out something about the criminal Barabbas...
His name.
Bar/Abbas.
Bar is Aramaic for 'son of'.
Abba is Aramaic for 'Daddy', the more intimate form of Father. (Transliterated, not translating here).

So Barabbas would be 'Son of Daddy', a strange statement...

But wait! Jesus said he was 'Son of God' or 'Son of our Father'...

Could Jesus have refered to God as 'Abba', or 'Daddy'? Would that make him 'Bar Abba', the Son of Daddy?

Could Pilate, knowing this, have mocked the crowd by calling Jesus 'Bar Abba', thus leading to the legend of the release of Barabbas?

[Az]

14. Well maybe this will expose the public

To the fact that there is no confident historical evidence supporting the existance of Jesus. I keep getting shocked looks when I explain to people that there is no evidence that he existed outside the bible and that the only refs to him come at least 50 years after the supposed facts. It would be nice to have people believing in things they had a better understanding of.

[JohnyCanuck]

15. What a waste of time for Petey

Although this debate may not be evident from publications readily found in popular bookstores1, when one examines this issue closely, one will find a tremendous volume of literature that demonstrates, logically and intelligently, time and again that Jesus Christ is a mythological character along the same lines as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Indian or other godmen, who are all presently accepted as myths rather than historical figures2. Delving deeply into this large body of work, one uncovers evidence that the Jesus character is based upon much older myths and heroes from around the globe. One discovers that this story is not, therefore, a historical representation of a Jewish rebel carpenter who had physical incarnation in the Levant 2,000 years ago. In other words, it has been demonstrated continually for centuries that this character, Jesus Christ, was invented and did not depict a real person who was either the "son of God" or was "evemeristically" made into a superhuman by enthusiastic followers3.

History and Positions of the Debate
This controversy has existed from the very beginning, and the writings of the "Church Fathers" themselves reveal that they were constantly forced by the pagan intelligentsia to defend what the non-Christians and other Christians ("heretics")4 alike saw as a preposterous and fabricated yarn with absolutely no evidence of it ever having taken place in history. As Rev. Robert Taylor says, "And from the apostolic age downwards, in a never interrupted succession, but never so strongly and emphatically as in the most primitive times, was the existence of Christ as a man most strenuously denied."5 Emperor Julian, who, coming after the reign of the fanatical and murderous "good Christian" Constantine, returned rights to pagan worshippers, stated, "If anyone should wish to know the truth with respect to you Christians, he will find your impiety to be made up partly of the Jewish audacity, and partly of the indifference and confusion of the Gentiles, and that you have put together not the best, but the worst characteristics of them both."6 According to these learned dissenters, the New Testament could rightly be called, "Gospel Fictions."7

A century ago, mythicist Albert Churchward said, "The canonical gospels can be shown to be a collection of sayings from the Egyptian Mythos and Eschatology."8 In Forgery in Christianity, Joseph Wheless states, "The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates."9 Those who concocted some of the hundreds of "alternative" gospels and epistles that were being kicked about during the first several centuries C.E. have even admitted that they had forged the documents.10 Forgery during the first centuries of the Church's existence was admittedly rampant, so common in fact that a new phrase was coined to describe it: "pious fraud."11 Such prevarication is confessed to repeatedly in the Catholic Encyclopedia.12 Some of the "great" church fathers, such as Eusebius13, were determined by their own peers to be unbelievable liars who regularly wrote their own fictions of what "the Lord" said and did during "his" alleged sojourn upon the earth.14

<snip>

The assertion that Jesus Christ is a myth can be proved not only through the works of dissenters and "pagans" who knew the truth - and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and "Church Fathers" fooling the masses with their fictions - but also through the very statements of the Christians themselves, who continuously disclose that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. In fact, Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"15 (Emphasis added.) As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvellously easy."

http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

[Malva Zebrina]

18. thanks for the information

People who are fearful of death need the mythology that affords them "life after death"


This is the only reason, in my estimation, that Christianity has survived. People just cannot face the fact that they will, one day, be no more. Be a nothing. a NO Thing.

They will be like the flower that has lived it's course and died or the pet that has died or any other thing in this universe that has died. -- and that is unacceptable in their present state of survival mind.

So, we find a religion that assures us that we live forever.

Yipee -- sign me up.

and so humans subscribe and also subscribe to all the abuses and all the evil that has been comitted by and under the tenets of that religion in order that they may be confident in the belief that they will not die but will live on forever after carnal death. They will defend this belief to their death , even if it means abusing and hating others, knowing , as the mythology goes, they will not die at all if they will only follow the rules.


There is absolutely no evidence that this is so.

[salin]

17. psst... Peter.. contemporary news... story - well known in world not in US

three letters... OSP... good focus for your investigative efforts...