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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:51 PM
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Now that we are becoming pretty certain that media censorship is
happening to Americans, is it time for some Americans to move to Canada and start a voice of America there, like we used to do for the Soviet Union during the cold war?

Or isn't it time yet?

Am I being paranoid about this?
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:53 PM
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1. not a bad idea i suppose
am and internet radio stations?
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:53 PM
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2. Canada is too Americanized. We'd have to do it from Sweden
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freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:02 AM
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5. You're right, but...
give us credit. Most Canadians detest Bush.
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:53 AM
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19. I give rank-and-file Canadians credit
Edited on Thu Feb-26-04 02:08 AM by chair094
for not stooping to the repuke level. But I don't trust your government as much because (correct me if I'm wrong) it's looking to repair relations with the White House after the whole Iraq flap.

What if the US asked the Canadian government to shut such a radio station down in the name of "national security?" If Bush wins reelection that is a possibility.

ON EDIT: Most of the corporations that corrupt our political system have infiltrated Canada to one degree or another. When I say Canada is too Americanized, most of the Americanization that I refer to has to do with this.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:37 AM
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9. We DO have a free press though.....
:)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:39 AM
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10. That you do.
Also, I don't know what I would do without my NWI link on my satellite. Now that it has been taken over by Murdock, I don't know how much longer I will have it.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:15 AM
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15. Switch to Dish
No Murdoch and we get Link and Free Speech tv.. I just wish we had more BBC channels and could get CBC, but what we have is better than DirecTV
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:57 AM
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20. One of my neighbors has dish and is really happy with it.
Right now I can't afford the switch, but I am thinking of it. Thanks.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:54 PM
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3. I think the low power FM people
Won their court case. I'm not sure.

Radio could be the thing.

Mourning the Mike Malloy program.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 11:56 PM
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4. Please do
We'll be a lot better off without the tin-foil conspiracists.

Go to to the Listen Live links here on DU and you can find a plethora of leftist voices on the radio attacking Bush. They are not being censored.

Howard Stern will continue doing his show - Clear Channel only owns SOME of the stations he was aired on. But the fact remains, he is in trouble for allowing a horribly offensive racial slur on the air, NOT because he criticized Bush. I see criticism of Bush every day on Letterman, the Daily Show, Leno, Kilbourne, etc. etc. They are not censored. I listen to Bernie Ward, Ray Taliaferro and others - they are not censored.

Why is it hard to believe that somebody would get in trouble for allowing the question "Have you ever fucked a nigger chick? What do they smell like, watermelons?" on the air? If it were MY station, I wouldn't suspend him - I'd fire him.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:20 AM
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6. "pretty certain that media censorship is happening to Americans"-?
Look at the NYT best seller lists the last 2 yrs?, websites everywhere selling bush sucks, bush is evil, etc..,west wing, taliafero,bernie ward, ieamerica- did bushco shut them down? moveon.org is raking in the dough, etc etc etc...sean penn is up for an oscar , tim robbins is working, dixie chicks are selling more than ever, garafalo is verging on overexposure...etc etc blah blah

Come on , people were assuming he was suspended because he doesn't like bush before they even heard what happened on the show. I don't know about you but those kind of disparaging remarks made were offensive. Clear Channel broadcasts his show on about 6 stations, he works for viacom and he will still broadcast. let's get worked up about something serious, this is downright ridiculous.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:28 AM
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7. Robert Novak made a reference to feminazis last week
on Crossfire. Now as a feminist and a woman, I am very offended by this word. I have studied Nazis and believe me they weren't feminists. So why is this name calling allowed, well, all the time, and no one has objected to it publically? We all object to it in emails and nothing is done. Of course the word was coined by doper Rush Limbaugh and the female hating conservatives run with it. I find it very obscene myself, but who cares about what a bunch of whiney women think? And maybe this is right as an expression of the First Ammendment. So please explain to me the difference.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:34 AM
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8. because
feminazi, while offensive, has a certain political meaning. "nigger chicks smelling like watermelon" does not.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:53 AM
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11. What a caller says is different from what a host says.
A host has responsibility for what he says.

If a caller says something offensive, that's tne host's fault.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:55 AM
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12. Not necessarily
evidently the FCC rules don't say that.

Does Stern operate without a tape delay? If so, that seems rather reckless, considering he's been in trouble many times in the past.
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:21 AM
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16. did you mean to say "not the host's fault"?
The content , the entire content is the responsibility of the the company that owns the show and its affiliates.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 12:58 AM
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13. Be-Very-Afraid. The agenda is a Hitlerian Theocracy. They have BBV.
Do not think that some media criticism means we will be OK. We won't.
To recap for you newbies and blind optomists:

Georgie is much worse than you think and he's being used for terrible purposes. Here's a British clinical psychologist's researched analysis of the boy king. He interviewed Georgie's family, friends and such and determined that he was abused as a child and developed an 'authoritarian personality,' the root of fascism! Read it and weep for him and us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, how do you feel about your mom and dad?)-CLICK

And this personality is being exploited to further the creation of a Hitlerian Theocracy, which has been going on in this country for the last thirty years. Read it and wonder what the hell we're in for next now that Eugenics is domestic policy and Imperialism is foreign policy.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml
(God Bless America, The Constitution is Dead)-CLICK

If you'd like to read the full speech of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia back in the dark ages of January 2002 when he said that 'democracy interferes with the Divine Right of Kings and he's doing something about it,' read this and wonder what century we're living in and just what that Constitution was for, anyway.
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/scalia.htm
(God's Justice and Ours)-CLICK

How can they get away with it when everyone seems to be pissed off at Georgie and we're supposed to be able to vote the bastard out of our White House? By fixing the electronic voting machines for 'the House.' Read this and decide which country to escape to this fall when Georgie is reinstalled to finish the job he was sent to do-eliminate democracy totally, create a police state, and conquer the world.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
(Diebold, Electonic Voting, and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)-CLICK
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:12 AM
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14. I'm aware of most of this, but sometimes one is branded as
a radical for thinking so.

"Stop the Hitler, Nazi references will you??"

I can honestly say that the atmosphere of censorship of this new millenia is quite different than what I remember America being in the past. I remember the McCarthy and Kefauver hearings broadcast on the new media, television, and I think that saved our country. They were raw, open and exposed the budding fascists for what they were. We don't have that rawness today except on the internet.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:22 AM
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17. I wish I could get Rather, Brokaw, and Jennings together to discuss this.
Do you think that they actually know how dire the situation is or are they in denial so they don't feel responsible for telling the country that we're slow marching to a gulag?

Imagine if just these three men decided that they weren't going to allow the United States of America to become the 4th Reich and they all agreed to blow the whistle on national network TV every night until they were locked out and locked up!

I have a dream...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-04 01:27 AM
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18. They may fear more than their jobs.
I am beginning to wonder.
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