I think I have the LCR/Gay thing figured out.

[Tyler Durden]

Try this:

It isn't the fact that sexuality should be EVERYTHING to GLTG people; in fact, detatchment and not defining one's self by one facet of the personality is healthy and indicates complex/multiplex self image.

The problem is that the Fundy Repuke Neocon Neandertal Type organizations DO define themselves on single facets. This is what causes their strength: they do not care about the other single issues in their panoply as long as they don't conflict.

Here lies the quandary: there IS one issue that in the mind of the larger Fundy Repuke Neocon Neandertal Type community that conflicts with LCR or any GLTG involvement, and that is Religious conformance. The Fundy Repuke Neocon Neandertal Type communitity does not brook any deviance from Religious orthodoxy. This is why you can't truly be a member of the Fundy Repuke Neocon Neandertal Type community if you are a certain type of "sinner." GLTG people are in their definition by their very nature unrepentant, practicing sinners of a particularly repugnant sin.

There are other basis for the Fundy Repuke Neocon Neandertal Type community to hold an individual in contempt, such as lower classes not keeping their place, women trying to take male roles, and failure to meld completely into the stereotype by continuing to practice certain quaint customs from the "Old Country," but there is no comparison to the abhorrence they attach to repugnant, unrepentant sinners like GLTG people.

The biggest problem is the radical polarization of political life in America: where are the "Rockefeller Republicans?" Where are the "Conservative Democrats?" The political melting pot has become a caldron of boiling oil, a place to be tortured for your beliefs, not tolerated (remember the contempt expressed here for Leiberman?).

We are all to blame, more or less.

[Ysabel]

1. old fashioned republicans...

i don't know where they went...

where are conservative democrats...? you've gotta be kidding...

male roles...?

[RFK MLK PW]

2. As a small aside,

it isn't just neo-cons; paleo-cons are fundie as well.

We were founded by people who left England to get away from the requirement to worship at the Church of England. We have swung full circle and now it seems the fundies are demanding we worship at their church.

That indicates to me it might be time to do as the Declaration of Independence says: 'when the government no longer serves the needs of the governed, it is the right of the people to change that government.'

If Bush wins, we need to think about that.

If Kerry wins, we need to think about organizing the day after the election and begin working on progressive issues.

Heck, I don't have the answers, but it's not looking good now.

[Tyler Durden]

3. I don't know if the rift can be mended...

...And although I agree with you that people will change the government, I think the process will be violent and ugly.

[RFK MLK PW]

4. Please re-read this:

"That indicates to me it might be time to do as the Declaration of Independence says: 'when the government no longer serves the needs of the governed, it is the right of the people to change that government'."


We agree with each other.

[Tyler Durden]

5. I'd just rather that the change did not resemble...

...Yorktown, Virginia circ 1778 or Moscow circa 1918.

Seems to be inevitable, though. Expatriate status, anyone?