PNAC says REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN or WAG THE FAG......

[radwriter0555]

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iran-20040224.htm

Get it? Rising gas prices = pending invasion of iran and less fuel availability!!!

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The first step in executing a new strategy is to clarify whose side we are on. President Bush must make clear, ideally in a major speech devoted to Iran, that the U.S. has no intention of pursuing closer ties with the autocratic clerics as a reward for dismantling their nuclear weapons program; and that it is not a patron of any émigré candidate for leading a future democratic Iran. Many in Iran doubt President Bush's promises about democracy in the Middle East. Instead they see Washington focused on immediate goals--such as arresting terrorists and eliminating WMDs--that have led to cooperation with autocrats like Pakistan's Pervez Musharraf, Libya's Moammar Gadhafi and now, perhaps, the clerics in Iran.

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The future of Iran, and of its potential democracy, must be determined inside Iran. But the U.S. can play a crucial role by making clear that democracy is the paramount foreign policy goal in Iran. Arms control negotiations with the mullahs may serve American short-term interests, but at the expense of more lasting gains. If Iran becomes a liberal democracy, surely the Iranian nuclear threat to the U.S. will disappear definitively. After all, did not Poland's Solidarity ultimately do more to end the Cold War than any Soviet-American arms control agreement

[karabekian]

1. I back helping the democratic movement in Iran

The students and people are oppressed, and the facist mullahs have been consolidating their power and silencing their opponents. They have rigged the elections and they are developing nukes. I don't know the best way to deal with them but something should be done. But I do know that we should not be appeasing the mullahs and we should do everything within our power to help these long oppressed people.

Let me clarify that I don't see invasion as the answer but I do think we should be supporting disidents in and outside the country and we should let it be know that the world stands behind them and against the mullahs. It makes me cringe seeing some european nations cozying up with them and how Kerry has said he would open a dialog with the mullah. They will not give up on power and talking to them or negotiating will have no effect on their iron fist over their people. An iron fist whos grip just got tighter last week.

[beanball]

2. The democratic movement

in America should be our main priority.

[wryter2000]

3. Democracy for all

The students and people are oppressed, and the facist mullahs have been consolidating their power and silencing their opponents. They have rigged the elections and they are developing nukes. I don't know the best way to deal with them but something should be done. But I do know that we should not be appeasing the mullahs and we should do everything within our power to help these long oppressed people.

Sounds like the United States.

[BigDaddyLove]

4. What does that article have to do with an impending invasion...

of Iran, rising gas prises or less fuel availability?

It speaks of a call for the U.S. to support Democracy in the country.

It was also authored not by PNAC, but by professors from Stanford.

[radwriter0555]

5. The article is the first volley in creating reasons to invade and take ove

iran, just as iraq was taken over.

First, point out how EVIL their leaders are.

Then place massive economic sanctions, furthering weakening the country, just as they did in iraq.

Then, threaten them for a really long time.

Then when they attempt to defend themselves, tell a WHOLE LOTTA LIES about them, and pretend they are a threat to US.

Then invade them, take over, and hand control of the country over to Halliburton.

We've seen this movie before. You might wanna read up on the PNAC there. The writers of the letter are PNACers.

[BigDaddyLove]

6. Nope, you need to take off your PNAC-colored glasses........

this article suggests none of what you wish it to...aside from the fact that the rulers are not interested in true Democracy.

[radwriter0555]

7. what makes you think they're interested in democracy in iraq? have you

not read the PNAC site and the various letters, nor read it's history and how it's influenced the clinton AND bush admins?

What are you not seeing it? It's NOT spelled out in black and white, but the intent and actions on iraq and iran are identical.

[BigDaddyLove]

8. I never said that they were interested in Democracy in Iran.......

all I'm saying is that this article doesn't paint the picture you are implying that it does.

If anything, it's saying that if the U.S. supports the true Democratic urges of the people of Iran, then we will have less to worry about in the future with regard to a nuclear weapons program/threat.

[radwriter0555]

9. And my point is that this was the same premise taken by the PNAC

on Iraq.

They're cloaking their true intentions in democracy.

Their true intentions are to invade, conquer and take control of iran, just as they've done with iraq.

You do know why there is no plan to pull out of Iraq, right?

[BigDaddyLove]

10. Last I heard, July was the deadline to turn Iraq over to Iraqis.

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If the PNAC wants to invade Iran, they're going to have to wait until sometime in the next decade because there is no way that they'll get support for the effort anytime soon; the PNAC is quickly losing it's grip on U.S. foriegn policy.

[denverbill]

11. "If Iran becomes a liberal democracy"??????

Fuck them. They don't even want a liberal democracy in the US.

[karabekian]

12. wow

I guess hoping that oppressed people all over the world are free is not acceptable for liberals here if the US government agrees. Well my values and beliefs transcend this so I will hold by my guns and continue to call for the freedom of Iran. Much like I did in the past for Iraq and continue to do for North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, and other countries ruled by brutal dictators and represive governments. Maybe I missed it but since when did justifying the actions of these governments become a liberal trait. I have noticed that a lot of people give them a pass just because they are opposed to America. That is not the liberal way and I refuse to accept it as such.