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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:53 AM
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Dan Senor (senior adviser to Bremmer) just told the incubator story
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 09:59 AM by alg0912
...you know, this guy->

He was just on CNN and told the oft-debunked story about Kuwaiti babies being removed from the incubators and left out to die during the first Iraq war.

Sure surprised me that he had the gall to whip out that old lie yet again...

Here's a great story about the lie here:
CS Monitor: When contemplating war, beware of babies in incubators


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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:55 AM
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1. RW Rule for Lying #1:
People have short memories. Tell the lie. Some people will remember ad never hear or care that it was debunked. The lie gets debunked. Put the lie away and bring it back up again to get debunked. More people will remember and not hear or care that it is debunked. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:56 AM
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2. No lie like an old lie
What total fool.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:06 AM
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3. On CNN with who?
I missed it but want to send the host the article you linked along with a scathing email about allowing guests and analysts continue to tell lies like this. :mad:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:08 AM
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4. It was on CNN AM...
...I believe he was talking to Hemmer. I heard it and couldn't believe he said it, either!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:18 AM
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5. It went unchallenged by CNN?
Very weird.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:25 AM
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6. Not anymore
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 10:26 AM by liburl
I reported it as an error to them:

I have just been made aware that on this morning's CNN am, Dan Senor told the oft-debunked story about Kuwaiti babies being removed from the incubators and left out to die during the first Iraq war. Senor should have been immediately called on telling a lie by the interview. By allowing this, CNN is contributing to promoting a campaign if dis-information and mis-information from the Bush administration.

From the Christian Science Monitor:
"Too bad it never happened. The babies in the incubator story is a classic example of how easy it is for the public and legislators to be mislead during moments of high tension. It's also a vivid example of how the media can be manipulated if we do not keep our guards up.

The invented story eventually broke apart and was exposed. (I first saw it reported in December of 1992 on CBC-TV's Fifth Estate – Canada's "60 Minutes" – in a program called "Selling the War." The show later won an international Emmy.) But it's been 10 years since it happened, and we again find ourselves facing dramatic decisions about war. It is instructive to look back at what happened, in order that we do not find ourselves deceived again, by either side in the issue."
link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.html
It would be highly unprofessional of CNN to not announce this correction to your viewers and repeat the correction each time you replay the spot.

Thank you.

eta: Damn! I should've proofed it a little better...my editor missed it. LOL
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 03:05 PM
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7. I heard that Bush told it
In the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq last year, in a commencement speech at some university in Texas or something. Someone on another internet board innocently reported having just seen this on TV ("innocently" as in ignorant of the real facts and simply retailing what he had just heard Bush say, but with no reason to misrepresent what Bush had said).

I hunted all over the net, trying to find things like Bush's recent itinerary of appearances, but wasn't able to confirm where he'd been or what he'd said. I would have absolutely loved to find evidence of it (and I did just now find the listings at http://www.whitehouse.gov of speeches he's given, but couldn't find anything that matched up), but never did.

I only wish our beloved CBC had been a little quicker off the mark with that story, back at the time. It is utterly appalling that anyone at all -- let alone anyone who absolutely has to be presumed to know the truth -- would still be telling this lie now.

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