Good lord, I believe this man is presidential timber!

[Paradox_Mystery]

If I ever have a chance to vote Gavin Newsom for president, I will consider myself and this country lucky.

[Robin Hood]

1. I couldn't agree more.

I can't wait until he kicks that weenie ahnold weinerschnitzel out of the governors house, and then on to the White House. I think that this is a shot across the bow, that the liberal left is about to come screaming back with Newsome as it's Captain.

Free at last, free at last.

[Cleita]

2. I thought that about Dean the first time I knew he existed

when he was Governor of Vermont and he talked about the need for a federal health care program. I said to myself. I want this man to be president. Unfortunately now I know these people who give us hope can never be president. I still weep.

[Syrinx]

3. for violating the law?

Newsome is just like Roy Moore down here in Alabama. Both are gaining fame and power from purposefully disobeying laws. I agree with Newsome's supposed aims, but he is breaking the law just like Moore. He's a demagogue just like Moore.

[Cleita]

4. He's standing up for human rights as they are written

in the California State Constitution. The grays in Sacramento have forgotten that.

[CreekDog]

9. Newsom's stand is not like Roy Moore's

Newsom's gay marriage stand:
1) Newsom says that this action is taken because doing otherwise would violate the state constitution

2) Newsom says that he will obey court action and decisions on the matter

Moore's 10 commandments stand:
1) Moore knew that the Constitution prohibited his actions and did it anyway

2) Moore disobeyed a court order even to the point of being removed from office for it.

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Before this action, I thought Gavin Newsom was making decisions and showing that he will be one of our great mayors. After this decision, I'm thinking that even more strongly. I'm a fan.

One example of Gavin Newsom is his reaction to a string of murders in the predominantly black and predominantly poor Bayview neighborhood. Gavin started showing up without cameras or press at the crime scenes, asking questions and talking to people in the neighborhood. When he was criticized for "meddling" , his response was that his mistake was not being there sooner to face the problem and get involved to solve it.

This guy is so damn smart, I can't wait for the day when he can run for higher office. He will scare the sh*t out of Republicans.

[Cronus Protagonist]

5. If he didn't issue license he would ALSO be violating the law

The State Constitution. So he chose one to apply/disobey and off we go to the courts. I admire and support his courageous, and righteous stand for fairness and equality. He could just as easily have chosen the dark side and violated the Constitution - it would have been easier, and much less principled.

He is truly presidential material, of that I have no doubt.

"FUCK BUSH" Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

[Ediacara]

6. Newsome has legal reasons

Which is why the city of San Fransisco is suing the state of California. In other words, the California Constitution says that gay marriage should be legal, even if a referendum made it illegal.

Moore on the other hand, has no legal reasons, only theocratic ones.

There's a world of difference between what Newsome is doing and what Moore did.

[Paradox_Mystery]

7. what about the constitution?

He is disobeying laws that (I believe and pray) will be overturned as unconstitutional. There are multiple Supreme court precedents for overturning the Defense of Marriage act( and the others), such as Loving v Virginia, where the court overturned a ban on interracial marriages.

[Dogmudgeon]

8. Demogoguery = Lawbreaking?

Martin Luther King is a demogogue ... so say the King-haters.

Roy Moore did more than just break the law. He played the "persecuted Christian" role to the hilt. I doubt that Newsome would try for personal pity. He would, I hope, try to engineer the situation to make the anti-Gay politicians -- like Arnie has become, alas -- look like the bigots they are.

Civil Disobedience requires violating unjust laws. Demogoguery does not. And Roy Moore crossed the line when he turned his crusade into a junkyard passion play.

--bkl

[Syrinx]

10. Okay, maybe I'm wrong

I shouldn't have commented on this issue, perhaps. I don't know that much about it. But mayors are supposed to uphold the laws not subvert them. If Newsome is not subverting the laws of California, I take back my comments, and apologize. But demagogues exist on the left as well as the right.

And I have no problem with gay people getting married. It's really the least of my concerns.

[Robin Hood]

14. He is up holding the law.

he is up holding the states constitution which superceedes unconstitutional laws.

[Cleita]

15. He's upholding the laws against the Republicans who are

subverting them. This is more than gay people. This is about taking our country back.

[sacman]

11. to hell

with the rule of law----just ignore that

[dawn]

12. Standing up for the civil rights of fellow Americans.

Perhaps one needs to challenge established laws to do that.

[Ediacara]

13. you'll notice

That the law you're refering to is being challenged by the City of San Francisco because it violates the California State Constitution. When all is said and done, that law will probably be struck down.

[countmyvote4real]

16. It's time for the "popular" Democratic candidates to stand up.

By being vague or agreeing to the second-class status of civil unions, they really show their true colors. And they’re voting history just backs it up. Pander. (Elect me.) Pander. (Elect me.) Pander. (Please, contribute to my campaign.)

If Kerry and Edwards really regret their votes on the Patriot Act, IWR, etc. they should really get out and support equal rights for ALL citizens. They can only be duped so many times before we have to assume they’re stupid or there’s something else going on.

I guess they figure there are no gay Vietnam vets or poor mill workers. And the straight people that see the inequity must be a small minority. Yeah, we rolled over for Clinton’s DOMA and DADT and we all got an extramarital BJ from an intern in return. They should’t assume that ABB is the only option for me. (It was until now that the gloves have been tossed off.)

I’m considering Almost Any Country But USA. (AACBUSA) Well, if they’ll take me, considering how much the rest of the world hates us. I hate us now, too. I love our constitution, but I am preparing to outsource my citizenship over this bullshit.

I'll really be able to vote my conscience. I want to know if they care or even have one.

Looks like Newsome is my write-in choice at present.

[radfringe]

17. agree

keep an eye on Newsom in the future, he might just be on a presidential/primary ballot at some point.

the other one to watch is Warner, Gov. of Virginia - don't know much about him, but from what I've seen/read -- I wouldn't be surprised to see his name on a presidential/primary ballot in the future