What's Your Problem With Mel Gibson?

[HornBuckler]

I REALLY Don't Get It... He Made A Religious Movie That MOST Of You Haven't Seen And You Are Ready To Crucify Him... EXPLAIN YOURSELVES!

[Dookus]

1. OK

But Only After You Explain Your Fondness for Initial Caps

[HornBuckler]

4. I'll Do It One More Time

I Have Said Before, Numerous Times, That I Type Like This Because Of The Commodore 64's Ability To Show Both Upper And Lower Case Characters, So I Fell In Love With This Way Of Type... I Can't Help It.

[Dookus]

11. well you should try to get over it

it makes it very hard to read your posts.

Not everything you say is worthy of being a title.

But I hate Gibson because he's an outspoken homophobe.

[HornBuckler]

15. Maybe So

But If You Are A Habitual Ass Picker You Are A Habitual Ass Picker... Maybe You Should Stop, But Alas I Cannot

[Dookus]

17. nonsense..

it's easy to change habits. Nothing forces you to hit the shift-key.

[HornBuckler]

18. Try Telling That To A Smoker

"Nothing Forces You To Smoke"

[Dookus]

22. I see

you have a chemical addiction to the shift key.

contact the New England Journal of Medicine.

[HornBuckler]

27. Indeed - Why Is My Type Face Such A "Issue"?

Disregard My Typing Style And Add Something To The Debate... I Don't Mean To Be A Dick, But REALLY - You Can't Read What I Am Typing? I Feel Discriminated.

[Dookus]

32. I've already explained

it's difficult to read.

[HornBuckler]

37. Oh Come On Dookus!

We've Been Exchanging Dialogue For A While, You Must Be Able To Read My Type?

(I'm Just Messin' With You BTW - I Mean NO Disrepsect)

[Dookus]

54. (shrug)

I bet I'm not the first person to say so. It's your choice. I can just ignore your posts.

[HornBuckler]

60. Well, You Could

But You'd Be Doing Yourself A Disservice By Ignoring An Important Post.

[Dookus]

63. I'll take the risk

[Joe Momma]

2. anti-semitism

anti-semitism

[Media_Lies_Daily]

5. You haven't seen it, but you know it's anti-semitic?...

Wow! Amazing!

Did you used to work a phone for the Psychic Hotline?

[Joe Momma]

6. yeah

i know.

[HornBuckler]

8. That's Crap!

Have You Seen it Yet? And So Friggin' What If It Portrays Anti-Semitism? You ever See The Believer? Or American History X? Both REALLY Good Movies About Anti-Seimites... I Don't Agree With What Was Portrayed Mind You, But They Are All REALLY Good Movies.

[Joe Momma]

39. which guy is the edward norton character...

christ?

[HornBuckler]

47. And If Edward Norton Played Christ

Where Would That leave Us?

It's A Damn Film...

[Joe Momma]

57. maybe gibson should

have put a swastika tatoo on christ. that way his anti-semitism would be more in our face. you respect his open bigotry, yet he seems ashamed to admit it. why is he ashamed of his high art?

[HornBuckler]

62. Well One Theory

Your Behavior.

[Joe Momma]

65. then he is no artist

simply a propogandist.

[HornBuckler]

77. Ahhhh That's Crap

And You Know It.... Sure i Can Write A Tune On The Accordian And Call Myself An Artist And (Depending On The Lyrics) Be A Propgandist. This Man Is A Human Being, And A Damn Fine One At That. Don't Judge An Entire Being On One Body Of Work.

[Joe Momma]

82. i have seen no evidence he is a damn fine human being

is your basis mad max or martin riggs. you are funny. and your clever use of caps is hilarious. conan obrian type stuff there. and the ref to the c64 is dennis miller like.

[HornBuckler]

84. I'm Liking You more And More

Well, It's True - It's Not Mad Max (Although Thats A Friggin Great Movie) I Could Go On And On About His Movies And How They have Affected Many Living Humans, However I Won't. My Point Is Simply This, Don't Judge A Man By One Of His Many Works.

Don't Paint Mel Into A Corner - He May Be Nutty, But He's No Republican

[arewethereyet]

3. no problem

heck of a lot of people acting pretty insecure though.

Anyone who can make a terrific hit movie about my early ancestors in Scotland is aces in my book !

[smirkymonkey]

He's an ass.

n/t

[muffin_man]

7. Never understood

the whole anti-Semite thing. I feel it's just a cro-mag-non rationalization for hating Jewish people. I mean how can anyone truly believe it was Woody Allen that wanted Christ dead?

[onehandle]

9. He's a right-wing nut.

Try researching before you call people out.

[HornBuckler]

12. What The Hell Am I Gonna Find?

His Dad Thinks The Holocaust Was Exaggerated? I Don't Care. If I Was Judged By The Actions Of My Family And/Or Upbringing I'd Have A Lot To Answer For. However, He Is His Own Man And Has Such Made A Film, Nothing More...

[brainwashed_youth]

10. they can't

because most of Gibson's attackers are just anti-religious. They really hate the idea of a fundamentalist christian getting what he wants.

[HornBuckler]

13. I Agree With You

However, I Am Anti-religious BIG TIME... Organized Religion Is The Biggest Hurdle We Have To Overcome In The World. But I Respect Religious Folks... And I Sure As HELL Respect ALL ART - Whether It Offends Or Not... That's The Friggin' Point Of Art!

[brainwashed_youth]

16. wow, we're alot alike

I think religion is a huge obstacle to overcome, but I have alot of respect for a few religious people. And I mist definitely respect good art.

Wow, great minds think alike huh?:toast:

[HornBuckler]

20. Yeah! I Agree

Exactly... It's Unfortunate That Alot Of People Will Label And Bash Something They Haven't Even Seen... REAL Democratic. /Sarcasm

[frankly_fedup2]

14. I can't wait to see it.

You know what all the controversy is about and that is that by telling the story of the Crucifixion of Christ, he is being antisemitic.

I have been on other boards where others have posted that the whole New Testament is antisemitic.

I was never taught that as I was brought up. Jesus was a Jew and I thought we were to live by the New Testament as far as loving each other as he loved us. Also, the New Testament is all about love and peace. I do not understand why anyone would say the New Testament is antisemitic. Also, he was born to die. We ALL killed him because he died for ALL of us.

To some of the fundamentalists (and we know who they are PR/JF) that preach that the Jews will not get into Heaven unless they accept Jesus Christ as the son of God, now THAT part I can understand the antisemitism. But that is what comes out of their mouths . . .not what God said. Jesus said that only through him. However, I don't think I have the right to judge say who and who will not go to Heaven.

I hope there is a better place for us all.

[jmags]

19. It's the hypocracy that bothers me.

First, and this is my opinion, but if Jesus were to have a movie done about him, I think he would have chosen different than 45 minutes of pure violence to explain his crucifiction. The movie misses the larger point about why he was sacrificed and what the purpose of his life was.
But beyond that, I just find it odd that a person can spend so long working on a movie about Jesus, and then say the things he has said about some of his critics. Which I guess ties back to my first point about the movie. Some of the great messages Jesus gave are ignored in favor of tying in religion with shameless violence.

[HornBuckler]

21. One Question

Did You Like The Last Temptation Of Christ?

[jmags]

56. Honestly - haven't seen that one...

Does that movie tie into what I was saying?

[HornBuckler]

73. Absolutly

[StClone]

23. Being Catholic

Do I have to like him?

[HornBuckler]

24. Absolutley Not

But He Needs Not Be Vilified By The Making Of A Film!

[StClone]

35. Well

Tell me why a movie made about Jesus Christ needed to have an actor whose initials and age match Jesus Christ at the time of Crucifixion?

What is this lightening strike business. You think an honest movie maker about Christ's life needs to fill the heads of his target audience with such 'coincidences'? Don't you think he'd be a tad bit above such gimmicks for Christ's Sakes?

Actually I have disliked Gibson since "Bird on a Wire." And I can not put my finger on it. But having some one so earnestly intent on defending his name makes me believe I am on to something.

[HornBuckler]

41. Blah Blah

Bird On A Wire I Like To Think Of Leonard Cohen (A Jew By The Way) Nevertheless, That's Kind Of Lame Don't You Think? To Persecute A Man's Work Because You Have Some Hold-ups. Mel Gibson IS A Talented Actor, And Deserves An Unbiased Opinion Of His Work.. Prejudging Is Never Acceptable.

[StClone]

59. He's a hack

I like Arnold the actor and despise his politics. Why don't you defend him too he makes movies about Saviors in a SciFi genre.

I may see the JC movie and then I can attack it on its merits. I dislike this Aussie views the way you don't like beets and you probably disdain other stuff. Gibson is nothing for me to get as worked up about as you have over this Crusade to defend his Religio/Political/Movie Business.

[HornBuckler]

64. Well My Defense Is The Base Of Democracy

And BTW I Love Arnold Films.

[alarimer]

81. Also

I read somewhere that Gibson claimed to be ill during the making of the film (maybe he really was) and blamed his illness and other bad luck on "the devil". He claims that someone or something was bound and determined to stop this film being made. As if he were the instrument of truth. It was so bizarre. He sounded just like the guy from "Conspiracy Theory". That role must have been a little too close to home. Gibson just bothers me because he seems like such a fanatic; it seems like he has gone around the bend just a little bit. With the Scorsese movie (Last Temptation of Christ), he was just a director- it was just art. There was no sense for me that he (Scorsese) was trying to preach- it was just a story- a bit controversial but still just a movie and not some big scheme to reveal the "truth". I hope that the Passion fails miserably at the box office but controversy usually helps sell tickets and it will go away eventually.

[BurtWorm]

25. My problem: He thinks a "realistic" version of a myth is pious.

It's blasphemy!

[HornBuckler]

28. U Ever Watch Star Wars?

How Is That Any Different? Or More Closely Related To The Issue, So You Think The Last Temptation Of Christ Is Pious?

[BurtWorm]

33. Did George Lucas claim Star Wars was as it "really" happened?

More to the point, did Scorcese? Or Kazantzakis?

[HornBuckler]

42. Gibson Never Made That Claim

THE POPE DID - That Has To Hold SOME Weight To Somebody I Presume Is A Religious Soul.

[BurtWorm]

44. Gibson most certainly did make the claim that he was striving

for historic accuracy. That's quite a trick, considering the event he's depicting probably never happened!

[HornBuckler]

49. I Agree

But Who Is To Say That Long Long Ago In A Galaxy Far Far Away That Luke Skywalker Defeated Lord Vader?

Can You Prove Me Wrong? Ofcourse Not, It's A Moot Point.

[BurtWorm]

55. Do churches buy up theaters where Star Wars is showing

and encourage parents to bring their children because seeing Star Wars is good for their souls? We're not just talking about innocent art here. We're talking about propaganda.

[HornBuckler]

67. Buy Up Theaters?

Do You Have A Link? It Is Probably True - What You Say - But I'll Be Willing To Wager In One Year Ask Kids What Film They Remember/Know And It'll Be Star Wars Tenfold Over The Passion..


Wanna Bet?

[BurtWorm]

69. What does that have to do with how I feel about Mel Gibson

which was your original question? I don't despise Gibson because I fear what his movie will do to children. I despise him because he's a dishonest propagandist masquerading as a pious visionary.

[Lars39]

85. Churches purchased tickets for Missouri lawmakers, too:

http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=17714

[KC21304]

91. I believe the Vatican denied that the Pope ever said

what Gibson's people said he did.

[lolly]

93. Nope.

(oops. another long separation, and a dupe at that. I was responding to the claim that the Pope said the movie was "true")

Gibson's camp had an audience w/the Pope, came out of it claiming that the Pope had said "It is as it was."

Pope's representatives, however, have denied that he ever said any such thing.

[BurtWorm]

98. Exactly. The interesting thing is that Gibson was looking for

just such a quote, to give his movie that little cachet of Authority.

[donco6]

26. I honestly couldn't care less.

Won't be seeing it. Have way better things to do with my time.

'sides - I read the book.

[HornBuckler]

30. U Mean The Bible Right? Joke!

[donco6]

50. Yup

Several versions, even.

[Nazgul35]

29. Not so much as a problem...

but rather I have a problem with people who trade one addiction for another...

Too many people who call themselves born again Christians are people who have sought refuge due to some type of horrendous life experience....

If you watched his interview, he confessed to drug addiction....very typical of the uber Christains...

You know they type.....

they were addicted to porn, now the are on a crusade to wipe out porn...

They were adulterers, now they are promise keepers....

They were alcoholics/substance abusers.......on and on....

What these types of individuals have failed to recognized is that they have addictive personality traits...and all the have done is gone from one type of addiction to another....except now they overdose on Christ....

There are many people who are kind, decent, thoughtful believers in Christ...but there are some who display the attributes described above...and I for one have no time for them....

Have you ever been around an ex-smoker when others are smoking....than you know of what I speak... :evilgrin:

If you want a better reason, here's two more:

1) Anti-Semitic portrayal of the role of Jews in the Crucifiction...we all know God did it....

2) The focus on the violence (Gibson has gratuitous violence as part of his projects...Bravehart, Patriot, those cop movies with Danny Glover, etc...) The story that means anything for Christians is the teachings of Christ and the Resurrection after Crucifixtion....not the violence...

PS: I don't know because I haven't read it in a while, but when was Jesus dragged faced down along the road while nailed to the cross??? Maybe I missed the book....Mark - Mathew - Luke and Mel?!

[HornBuckler]

34. Are You Serious?

First Of, It's Lethal Weapon You Refer To Late In The Post - And By Todays Standards Is Pretty Tame In Violence. Who Gives A Shit If His Movies Are Violent? Embelishment Is The Life Force Of Art "when was Jesus dragged faced down along the road while nailed to the cross" Who KNOWS! Maybe It's True, Maybe Not... It's A FRIGGIN' Film.... Jesus! I Thought Democrats Were Art Lovers/Critics. I Never Thought They'd Hold A Grudge Over A Religious Movie... If You Think Mel Gibson Is A Ham/Hack/No-Talent/Yo-Yo Then Fine... But If You Base That On The Passion Alone, You Are A Fool.

[Nazgul35]

51. are you serious...

I just made one post adding my two cents to the discussion.

You on the other hand seem to have worked yourself into a "passion" over the whole thing....

I personally will not see the film for many reasons:

1) I hate reading movies....
2) I don't really want to sit in a theater full of bussed in evangelicals...
3) I don't need to see a flick to know it is going to be bad.....why waste my cash....this is all hype anyway...

A big problem about this is the way Gibson went about marketing this film...

He first forced people who viewed his film to sign a contact saying that they could only provide reviews that were positive....

He has specially marketed this film to the evangelicals....banking on their turning out for this film as a demand of their faith, at the same time allowing the fundies a big FU by making it a box office boffo film....

I personally think it will have an initial surge...but Americans hate to read their films...and not too many are going to sit through a film in Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic while reading subtitle after subtitle....

Of course...I hear the car chase between Jesus and the Roman garrison in Jerusalem is up their with Saving Private Ryan's first 40 minutes...those streets were pretty narrow back then and those mini-coopers just scrapped by.....

[HornBuckler]

68. Americans HATE To Read Thier Films

You Are Right! Americans Are Idiots Mostly, But Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Did VERY Well And I Happily Read That One... And I Think The Intellectual Value Of This Movie Caters To Us Democrats And If You Don't Wanna See It, You Don't Have To... I For One, Will.

[Az]

31. To be precise

Our history is full of religious uprisings brought about by populace appeals to the viceral nature of the religion. Mel has made a movie about the horrendous violent last hours of Jesus life. It was made devoid of any of the messages of peace represented by his entire life. It is a testimony to pain and suffering.

Just 3 years ago we watched as 2 jets were piloted into the twin towers by religious zealots following their religious beliefs. Shouting pious calls to Allah they plunged the jets and our lives into an inferno which we are still feeling the effects from.

The Passion has a history if inciting violence. His is the most gruesome representation made to date. Our society is currently experiencing intense stress along lines that are exasterbated by this film. Phrases like tinderbox and matches come to mind.

[HornBuckler]

36. After Your Post

One Can Believe That Religion Is The Root Of All Evil.. Agree?

[Az]

48. No

Religion can be many things. It can raise people to acts of greatness and it can twist their actions into deplorable acts of destruction. Great belief can make great differences.

[DrWeird]

38. Why?

Well, Gibson's a known bigot. And he's a zealot. His father's an antisemite, and while that doesn't make him necessarily an antisemite, Gibson has purposely refused to disavow his father.

I no if I were accused of antisemitism, and my parents were holocaust deniers, I would be pretty quick to disavow them. Hell, I wouldn't have to be accused of antisemitism, I'd disavow them anyway. I certainly wouldn't defend them, like Gibson did.

Then there is the movie itself. Which basically is a filmed version of the Passion Plays. These originated in Europe during the Crusades, to drum up antisemitism and get the bloodthirsty mobs ready to march to the holy land and kill jews. And these kept going right up through the holocaust.

So they're kind of like minstrel shows. They're used as vehicles of hate. They promote ridiculous stereotypes. This is kind of like having a modern day minstrel show. And then saying, "Oh, sure, all those minstrel shows in the past were racist. But not this one so stop saying that!"

Then there's the historical inaccuracies. Gibson goes out of the way for "accuracies" such as actually having the dialogue in Latin and Aramaic. Yet Jesus is distinctly white, with hazelnut brown hair according to the commercials. And then there's the eurocentrism. Pontius Pilate is white too, and not only that, he's the good guy, a shine example of western european superiority. Gibson's Pilate is a just man concerned with bringing justice to the unwashed swarthy masses. This, not surprising, rather contradicts history. Pilate is the only character in the whole shebang who is known to have actually existed, and history paints a completely different picture; Pilate was a blood thirsty tyrant.

So the movie takes the blame off of the Romans for killing Jesus. Even though they were the ones who, apparently, killed Jesus. Jesus said he was King. Romans said Caesar was the king. Jesus fought the law and the law won.

You wouldn't get that from the movie. The whole plot of which is, basically, the jews killed Jesus. The rabbis, for instance, are slimy evildoers, and the jews themselves are drooling, bloodthirsty, filthy wretches who will gladly rob you blind as soon as they're done raping the white women. Just like them negroes in Birth of a Nation.

So there you have it. Thank you for turning off your cell phones. Enjoy a snack from our concession stand. Jesus = white, western society = just, fair, and good, and the jews killed jesus. Please dispose of your trash in the proper receptacles.

[HornBuckler]

45. Just Curious

But What Your Post Says Is Heresay... That Is, It's Complete Bullshit In As Much As The Passion Is... Nobody Is Saying ('cept The Pope) That This Is Historical.. I Don't Care One Way Or The Other. My Question Remains, Why The Angst?

[DrWeird]

52. Are you kidding?

The was just a fifeteen minute segment on CNN about how the film is historically authentic. That's all that's on the news. The Passion is historically accurate and it's not antisemitic so stop saying that.

It's like Bob Boudelang took over on Rupert Murdoch's vacation.

Why the angst?

Let me ask you this. If Fred Phelps were to make a modern day minstrel show, would you be so quick to defend him?

[HornBuckler]

58. I Never Said It Was "Anti-Semitic"

That Was Somebody Else. Let Me Ask You This : Who Gives A Shit What Mel's Reasons Are To Make This Film... Is Edgar Allen Poe A Piece Of Shit Because He Was A Druggy? Or How About Picasso, Dali, Michaelangelo ETC.... My Point Is : It's ART And It's Getting Blown Up By People That Think A Movie Will Transcend (Booming Voice) Time And Space...

[DrWeird]

80. Yes, and it's like American History X, right?

Only it's not like American History X, because American History X was about the horrors of white supremacy, it didn't endorse and enflame white supremacy.

Seperate the artist from the art? Sure, I happen to think the film "Rosemary's Baby," even though Roman Polanski anally raped a teenage girl.

Now if Roman Polanski came out with a film that glorified anally raping teenage girls, then I would have problem. As I would with the southern baptists renting out theaters to watch opening day screenings of films that glorify anally raping teenager girls. And I would have a problem with TV pundits getting on the TV and saying, sure it's violent, but anally raping teenager girls is in the Bible.

And Gibson is no Poe, Picasso, Dali, or Michaelangelo. He wishes he were a Mapplethorpe. He's a washed up sex symbol actor with a few screws loose who thinks he can make big cash by exploiting Jesus' death.

[HornBuckler]

86. That Again My Friend Is CRAP!

Lemme Get This Straight - If Polanski made A Teenage Rape Film You'd Be Disgusted (As Would I) And In The SAME FRICKIN Breath You Equate Gibson's Passion With Anally Raped Teens? How Is That?

[DrWeird]

89. Assume, for second...

that Mel Gibson's film, even though you haven't seen it, is indeed antisemitic.

Now do you get it?

[HornBuckler]

97. NO, I Still Don't Get It

FILM Is An Art Form PERIOD. If He Portrays His Beliefs And His Beliefs Are Anti-Sematic So Friggin What?

[fishwax]

95. The Pope didn't say it was historical ...

At least, not according to the most recent reports. It was circulated several weeks ago that the Pope said "it is as it was," (or something to that effect), but this has since been denied by the Pope's aides, who say he said no such thing.

[U4ikLefty]

40. What do you think of Sean Penn???

Just curious.

[HornBuckler]

43. Brilliant - Sean Penn

I've Always Liked Since Colors Or Colours (If Yer British)

Great Actor..

[U4ikLefty]

71. Yeah, an incredible talent & an good citizen as well.

LOL..."Colours", that's a good one. Coming from L.A., I find that particularly funny.

I haven't seen MG's film and couldn't venture a guess as to how I would interpet his work. I will probably not watch it for a while because the Fundie's are really rooting for this film & I have issues with giving my $$$ to (possible) Fundie/NeoCon propoganda that I feel has distorted the message in America. Again, I'm not accusing Mel Gibson of that...haven't seen the film. As far as what I think: I loved Braveheart, but that's about it.

[HornBuckler]

78. Yer On My Page

You Understand What I'm Saying And I Commend You For It... Alot Of These DU Folks Want To Attack ANYTHING The "Fundies/Repubs/Etc" Think May Be Of Value.... I Personally Like Gibson And Want To See The Film... I'm Anti-Religion And Anti-Republican/Bigot

The Fact Remains : Gibson Is A Man/Actor/Director Watch His Work Before You Get All Uppity.

[U4ikLefty]

87. People seem to always get touchy when religion is involved.

I think people are reacting to the noise being made around the time of the film's release. I just think of that as good PR...a little controversy to help ticket sales.

I'm curious as well, so I'll wait until it comes to cable.

As far as MG's politics. I'm a little gun-shy about action-stars getting political...I'm from California so you gotta forgive me. ;)

[Az]

92. Two issues

Gibson's work is often powerful, stunning, and magnetic. He has an intensity that often brings unexpected life to characters he portrays. I have been a fan of many of his films and will likely continue to see his work should he survive the hoopla this latest thing sets off.

The second issue is the troubling one. The nature and impact of this movie may have implications that go beyond the normal boundaries of cinema. It is this that is causing the trouble. Mel has brought his own personal issues to the screen. He has distilled the more violent aspects of a story that sits at the center of much of our societies mythology. I find his actions highly morally suspect and worry about the consequences of them.

Beyond that I do not know then man so I have nothing I can possibly say about him.

[kher-heb]

46. If he donates every penny to charity

then I would have no problem with him.

[HornBuckler]

Why?

Does Bill Gates (A Man, That More Than Likely You Are Using His Software Right Now) Doesn't Give Much To Charity... Are We To Boycott Microsoft Now?

BTW I Hate Gates.

[Nazgul35]

61. actually Gates gives a ton of cash to charity...

why the angst?

[StClone]

66. Why do you hate Gates?

Why the angst?

[HornBuckler]

70. Don't Get Me Started

Bill Gates Is A Disgusting Human Being... Read/Watch Pirates Of Silicon Valley And Get Into The Whole GUI Movement, Let Alone The Fact That Microsoft Has A Monopoly (Can U REALLY Argue That?) And A Ton Of Money To Charity? Hmmmmm I'm THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD And I Gave 100million To Charity 2002 (wow, he sure is generous)

[AlFrankenFan]

53. Four Words

"The Passion of Christ"

[Zero Gravitas]

72. I don't have a problem with Gibson

or his movie. I have no interest in seeing it, but I have no problem at all with him making it or people watching it.

[HornBuckler]

74. Thanks

Thanks Alot! You Made The Point So Simply... Thank You!

[Snellius]

75. Beware of those who claim to speak in my name saith the Lord.

Mel Gibson's movie has nothing to do with religion, or the Bible, or Christ, or God, or sacrifice. It has to do with Mel Gibson and his arrogance in assuming that he -- and only he alone -- speaks for Christianity. This movie has more in common with the kind of sensationalized violent sadism of Mad Max than with a humble redeeming spirit of resurrection.

Would Christ have gone on Diane Sawyer's talk show to promote his latest miracle?

[HornBuckler]

79. Maybe

Would Christ have gone on Diane Sawyer's talk show to promote his latest miracle?

Maybe - How The HELL Are We To Know?

[OneBlueSky]

76. well . . . peddling crucifixion spikes on neck chains . . .

tells me a lot about where this guy's "passion" really resides . . . and every review I've read makes the point that this latest cinematic indulgence provides absolutely no context for the extreme violence . . . without the Christian message of love, compassion and redemption, the violence of the crucifixion is just ugly, brutal, and thoroughly Mad Max . . . and since I haven't liked any his previous movies, there's no reason to think I'd like this one . . . so I won't be seeing it . . . as a footnote, he also happens to be a fundamentalist homophobe, two qualities that I find detestable . . . any questions? . . .

[HornBuckler]

83. Absolutely Woody

OneBlueSky - I Respect You Due To Yer Woody Guthrie Image - However EVEN Woody Wrote Songs Glorifying The Grand Cooley Dam Project (Probably To feed His Family But Still) My Point Is This - Don't Judge A Man By His Convictions.

[KC21304]

88. You have said it best here tonight.

Gibson says he thinks his wife is probably going to hell because she is not a Catholic.

Saw those spike pendants on Debra Norville the other night. And T shirts. What a nut case.

Betty Bowers said it best.

"Never has a recovering drunk claiming to have been guided by the lethal hand of the Lord so fabulously manipulated the media and public opinion into embracing gruesome carnage. Well, other than George W. Bush and that thing in Iraq."

[Stuckinthebush]

90. You know what? I don't give a damn about Gibson.

He is a business man. He has made a film that will make him mega bucks. The more controversy, the more money.

I understand that some people will find the movie to be inspiring while others will find it to be simply terrible. I can't respond to the anti-Semitism charge because I haven't seen the movie.

I'll just go rent Life of Brian.

[Armand]

94. He's a horrible actor.

That's my problem with Mel Gibson.

[HornBuckler]

96. Well Thanks For The Insight!

If You Honestly Think He Is A Terrible Actor - Then Who In Your Opinion, Is A GOOD Actor?

[Armand]

99. Well....anyone on Broadway is a good actor.

They're exponentially better than Gibson.

As far as Hollywood goes...I don't really care for any actors there. If I have to pick someone, though, then I'll say Harrison Ford. He's great in most of his roles he plays. He's shown he can play many different types of characters, and play them well.

[HornBuckler]

101. Granted

Harrison Ford IS/WAS A Good Actor. Broadway? WHAT?

I Am One Of "Those" People That Think Broadway Is A Joke And A Dead Art - So, I Guess That Gives You All The Right To Attack Me/Beliefs Even More....

[Armand]

102. What?

I never attacked your beliefs. I just said I think Mel Gibson is a horrible actor. That's my opinion. Please respect it.

Where does it state I attacked your beliefs?

[HornBuckler]

100. The Fact Is Thus

He's An Artist - Like It Or Not - Anti-Semite Or Not - He Is Not Selling Out To Others.... Whether His Beliefs You Disagree With Or Not, Respect The Man For Doing What He Feels Is Right...

Now Some People Might Say "Well, Bush Believes What He Is Doing Is Right"

And To That I Say Bush Has A Helluva Lot More Responsibility Then A Film Maker.

[Moderator]

103. Locking

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