Andy Sullivan says that he CANNOT support party that takes peoples rights

[Renew Deal]

WOW

He is leaving the dark side.

Some people here like this guy.

[Renew Deal]

1. Amendment is extreme and radical.

The constitution has never been used to deny people's rights.

[FeebMaster]

9. Hah.

"The constitution has never been used to deny people's rights."

Are you kidding?

[Renew Deal]

12. He said it.

Not me. But it's arguable if you don't count prohibition.

[BigDaddyLove]

17. Or Slavery.

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[not systems]

33. Or the right of women to vote...

or ballot access for the poor.

[StClone]

2. Thanks

He has different takes on issues that tend to lean our way rather than his official Conservative Label would indicate.

This is right up his analytical alley.

[bluestateguy]

3. He's not voting for Bush!

I doubt he votes for Kerry, but Bush just lost a vote he had in the bag a few months ago. I'm telling you, Kerry wins 90% of the gay vote in November.

[Renew Deal]

5. If he only gets 90% he is doing something wrong.

[KC21304]

4. I don't usuall agree but today his blog is right on.

He just said Repubs will lose gay votes for a generation.

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2004_02_22_dish_archive.html#107764340071973047

[Catholic Sensation]

6. when did they get gay votes?

this party (republicans) has treated them terribly.

[SaveElmer]

8. Republicans get about 25% of the Gay vote I think

So 90% will be an increase.

Also have to remember that this will affect the families of gay people as well, and mey draw them to our side.

[Dookus]

7. excuse me?

Did gay republicans just find out today that the Republican Party is opposed to gay marriage?

People who are so self-deluded that they could support the Republican party this far are unlikely to change their views now.

Luckily, there are only a handful of Log Cabiners.

[Renew Deal]

10. I saw a log cabiner saying that they will not support Bush

or something like that.

[Scottie72]

14. I believe

many log cabin republicans believed that * would never come out and directly back an amendment.

[charlie]

27. Ha ha

Andy's dark nights of the soul are always sparked by gay issues. His Bush worship is only pierced when he's faced with the undeniable fact that the GOP would gladly legislate him out of existance. He's wounded from his 10000th cut, but if gay marriage, for some miraculous reason, gets backburnered this campaign season, he'll slide back into his role as Dubya booster. Andy's concerns are as parochial as any single-issue voter.

[scottxyz]

11. I never respected Andy until today

Check him out:

WAR IS DECLARED: The president launched a war today against the civil rights of gay citizens and their families. And just as importantly, he launched a war to defile the most sacred document in the land. Rather than allow the contentious and difficult issue of equal marriage rights to be fought over in the states, rather than let politics and the law take their course, rather than keep the Constitution out of the culture wars, this president wants to drag the very founding document into his re-election campaign. He is proposing to remove civil rights from one group of American citizens - and do so in the Constitution itself. The message could not be plainer: these citizens do not fully belong in America. Their relationships must be stigmatized in the very Constitution itself. The document that should be uniting the country will now be used to divide it, to single out a group of people for discrimination itself, and to do so for narrow electoral purposes. Not since the horrifying legacy of Constitutional racial discrimination in this country has such a goal been even thought of, let alone pursued. Those of us who supported this president in 2000, who have backed him whole-heartedly during the war, who have endured scorn from our peers as a result, who trusted that this president was indeed a uniter rather than a divider, now know the truth.

NO MORE PROFOUND AN ATTACK: This president wants our families denied civil protection and civil acknowledgment. He wants us stigmatized not just by a law, not just by his inability even to call us by name, not by his minions on the religious right. He wants us stigmatized in the very founding document of America. There can be no more profound attack on a minority in the United States - or on the promise of freedom that America represents. That very tactic is so shocking in its prejudice, so clear in its intent, so extreme in its implications that it leaves people of good will little lee-way. This president has now made the Republican party an emblem of exclusion and division and intolerance. Gay people will now regard it as their enemy for generations - and rightly so. I knew this was coming, but the way in which it has been delivered and the actual fact of its occurrence is so deeply depressing it is still hard to absorb. But the result is clear, at least for those who care about the Constitution and care about civil rights. We must oppose this extremism with everything we can muster. We must appeal to the fair-minded center of the country that balks at the hatred and fear that much of the religious right feeds on. We must prevent this graffiti from being written on a document every person in this country should be able to regard as their own. This struggle is hard but it is also easy. The president has made it easy. He's a simple man and he divides the world into friends and foes. He has now made a whole group of Americans - and their families and their friends - his enemy. We have no alternative but to defend ourselves and our families from this attack. And we will.

= = =

You go Andy!
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2004_02_22_dish_archive.html#107764340071973047

[Dookus]

13. sorry

It's hard for me to respect someone for seeing the obvious after being willfully blind for years.

[scottxyz]

15. OK maybe I shouldn't say "respect"

Yes, Andy is usually an idiot about most things.

So I guess I should say "I welcome Any's waking-up".

[Kinkistyle]

19. Many Repugs are "waking up"

This is really going to backfire on Bush, and I predict that he will backtrack on this issue after the polls and flames start licking at his coward ass. Log Cabin repugs like Sullivan have now been given a great excuse to dump Bush and the Repug party once and for all (and you know the cognitive dissonance that has been twisting their stomachs must have been excruciating.) Plus, in our day and age where homosexuality is rapidly becoming an accepted aspect of human society and where almost everybody has a gay cousin or friend, its going to convince the more moderate Repugs who may have been waffling about voting for someone other than Bush to make the right decision.

[Salviati]

28. That would be great...

Oh, I'd love bush try to back out of this one. He's not going to get many of the votes back that he lost over this issue, and if he backs out of it, it will really piss off the fundies too...

[mitchum]

16. How did you do that?

I mean...post the exact words that I was going to post:)

[Dookus]

24. heheh....

whenever I post, I just think about WWMD

[mitchum]

29. that could get you in A LOT of trouble

[theHandpuppet]

32. Yep!

Just where has Andy been whilst his beloved GOP has been hacking away at affirmative action, women's reproductive rights, et al?? Wasn't he also obligingly and eagerly kissing GOP ass when our civil liberties were trashed with the Patriot Act? Just when did Mr. Sullivan become so delusional that he believed LCR money in GOP coffers would buy him and his LCR pals a membership in the club? Yeah, I'll just bet the GOP will love to see you and your pals at the GOP convention!

Now that the GOP is smacking him in the only place he understands he has the gall to be outraged. Well let me tell you something, Andy, you hypocritcal asshole -- you haven't been there for women's rights, or minority rights, or any of the other battles Dems and gay Dems have been fighting for tooth and nail. You thought your almighty dollar would buy you a ticket that would separate you from those targeted for official oppression -- women, people of color, the working poor... only they've coming knocking at your door now. Doesn't matter if your rich, Andy, because you're still queer like me. Do you hear? QUEER and hated by the GOP and their fundamentalist whackos who'd just as soon put you in a concentration camp than acknowledge you as a human being. There isn't a Republican on the planet now who would touch LCR money so you might as well buy yourself a ticket to Denmark.

There's a quote oft posted on DU which bears repeating over and over:

In Germany they first came for the Communists
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up

-- Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing Church who
spent seven years in a concentration camp.

[Sperk]

20. Either he's gay or someone he cares very much about is

they NEVER talk about civil rights unless one of their own is in danger of losing theirs.

For instance.....my fundie (Christian right) sister in law made a comment about forgiveness of adultery. I immediately thought that either my brother cheated on her (didn't think he would do that though) or someone she cares about is in the situation. A few months later, her sister divorced her cheating husband. Bingo!

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. Yes. He's gay.

I was flipping around the news channels this past Sunday and discovered another Chris Matthews show on NBC before MTP. Sullivan was on with Matthews and three other *cough* journalists.

Matthews asked Sullivan about a recent column he wrote on the issue of gay marriage. Sullivan spoke very eloquently about it and said he's been with his partner for something like 10 years. What he had to say was very moving...which I could find a transcript of it.

[BigBigBear]

18. Andy's a bore and a hypocrite

The dark side can have him back, for all I care. He's referred to the people (liberals) who have been standing up for HIS RIGHTS as traitors, mentally deranged or worse...when it came to Iraq.

Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

[Dookus]

26. Congratulations...

your post receives today's Dookus Seal of Total Approval.

Fuck Sullivan (and not the way he advertises on bareback.com)

[Oilwellian]

21. Looks like the Log Cabin Repubs

Have participated in Lou Dobb's poll. Check out the results:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

[kodi]

22. like this is breaking news to randy andy that the gop is fascist?

sullivan sure was happy with the gop when it fit his fiduciary interests and he ignored the rest for 30 pieces of silver.

every single homosexual who voted republican ought to have his/her face rubbed in this horse shit from the busheviks. they are liars if they say that they never expected this from the gop.

all they did was hold their noses and cash their stock dividends when other minorities were fucked over, and now all of a sudden they see the gop revealed for what it is?

i dont think so. i find republican homosexuals to be complete hypocrites about their catterwailing on this issue.

if you want to sup with the devil, best use a long spoon.

[mondo joe]

25. Andrew Sullivan is still a sensationalist idiot

Who the hell did he think he was supporting all along?

Did he think his fellow Bush supporters thought he was their equal, or that he deserved civil rights?

What a freaking moron. He really is the proverbial stopped clock that's right twice a day.

[TXDemGal]

30. Boy howdy, it sure took forever for Mr. Power Glutes

to wake the f@ck up!

[The Zanti Regent]

31. Republicans who hang out in Log Cabins...

...shouldn't be surpised to be stuck with a lot of splinters!

[Ridley Park 704]

34. This amendment is dead on arrival anyway (291 Yeas in House)

I am surprised Andy isn't just weathering the storm, supporting the Republicans, and watching this amendment die a natural death.

He said on his site that he was never a real big Bush supporter. I find that ludicrous.