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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:14 PM
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Homework for racist white men and women
Hopefully, I'm preachin' to the choir on this, but what do you think? My friend came home from a college workshop with this.
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Is Your World Too White?
A Primer for Whites Trying to Deal with a Racist Society
By Karen Ashmore

Thirteen years ago in another city, I started a chapter of the National Organization for Women. Since NOW and the women's movement in general is often associated with white middle class women, we named the group Rainbow NOW to emphasize the fact that it was for women of all colors. African American, Caucasian, Chicano and Native American women participated in the group. After experiencing racially divided votes, we held anti-racism workshops every Saturday to try to grapple with the root causes of racism within the organization.

After twelve long months of dealing with the issue, the group finally began to understand each other and work as a cohesive unit. It was a long, hard painful process and some white women weren't too happy about sharing the power or working on their racism. Some white women left the group but the ones who were committed on working on the issues of racism stuck with it and the group turned out much stronger and much better.

The following points were a result of our Saturday discussions. How white is your world? What can you do to make it more colorful?

1. Be honest about racism. Racism is prejudice plus the power of the institutional system to uphold that prejudice. In this country the institutional system supports the prejudice of white people. If you doubt this, answer the following questions: How many black Presidents have we had? Latino Senators? American Indian CEOs of Fortune 500 companies?

Racism is a systematic form of oppression by the dominant culture in power in which people are oppressed economically, socially and politically solely based on skin color. Since people of color do not have the institutions to empower their prejudices, they cannot be racist. In other words, people of color can be prejudiced but they cannot be racist without the institutional support.

There are varying degrees of racism just as there are degrees of sexism ranging from rape to tasteless jokes. Racism can range from overt violence such as lynching to more indirect examples such as insensitive remarks. Most people exhibit more subtle forms of racism but it is important to acknowledge conscious or unconscious participation in a racist society.

Types of prejudice: based on skin color, gender, sexual orientation
Institutional support + prejudice = racism, sexism, heterosexism

2. Acknowledge white privilege. More frequently than not, white people take advantage of privileges generated by a racist society. White people are often unwilling to grant that they are over-privileged, even though most are willing to concede the flip side of the coin, that people of color are disadvantaged. Most white people are in denial about the advantages that white people gain from the disadvantages of people of color. In an article on white privilege, Peggy McIntosh describes white privilege as an "invisible package of unearned assets which I can count on cashing in each day. White privilege is like an invisible knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, code books, visas, tools and blank checks."

White people are given no training in seeing themselves as the oppressor, as an unfairly advantaged person. Whites are taught that racism is violence or meanness such as the Ku Klux Klan but are not taught that racism can be systems that allow dominance by whites. Author Beverly Daniel Tatum defines racism as "a system of advantage based on race". It is up to aware white people to open their eyes and show them the consequences of being a participant in a dysfunctional racist culture.

The following are examples of white privilege I can rely on but my African American friends cannot count on most of the time:

• I can be sure of being able to rent or get a mortgage for a house in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
• I can be sure that I will be welcome in that new neighborhood.
• I can go shopping and not be followed or harassed.
• I can go shopping and get waited on promptly.
• I can go to a bar and get service.
• I can turn on the TV or read the newspaper and see people who look like me depicted as leaders and influencers.
• When I am told about our national heritage, I can be sure that I will be told that people of my race made it what it is.
• If a traffic cop pulls me over, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
• If I ask to speak to the person in charge, I can be pretty sure I will be talking to a person of my race.
• If I have to go to court, I can be sure my race won't be held against me.

These are just a few examples of privilege that white people take advantage of every day. Most people have seen the comparison done by a national TV newsmagazine, sending a white male and black male with equal credentials to buy a car, look for a job and hunt for an apartment. Time after time the black man came back empty handed or cheated while the white male got the job, the apartment and the best car deal.

Perhaps former Texas Governor Ann Richards described best the privilege of being male, white and wealthy when she quipped, "George Bush thinks he hit a triple when actually he was born on third base."

3. Start to heal. Racism is a disease like alcoholism. You never recover from alcoholism and heal until you first admit you have a problem. The same thing goes for racism. You are never going to heal until you first admit there is a problem. This step is mandatory in order to continue to learn and grow. Acknowledge your privilege and participation in a racist society, begin healing and continue down the path of growth and awareness.

4. Be comfortable with accusations against white people in general without taking it personally. Whites have persecuted and oppressed people of color for hundreds of years. People of color can verbalize this oppression without you taking it personally. Release your guilt for past transgressions of other whites. Be comfortable with yourself because you know you are working for change.

5. Learn about another culture. People of color are often bicultural and bilingual. They know their own culture and own tongue yet also have to know the white culture and English tongue in order to survive economically. For example, many African Americans know Black English (Ebonics) and the “King's English” and many Latinas know Spanish and English.

The least you can do as a white person is get to know another culture. Go to an African American gospel extravaganza, a Native American pow wow, or a Mexican fiesta. If you are the only white person there, you will not be attacked. In fact most people of color will welcome you for taking the time to acquaint yourself with their culture.

The following are some suggested activities: Participate in Latino festivals. Cinco de Mayo (May 5) and Dies y seis de Septiembre (September 16) are important Mexican liberation festivals. Juneteenth (June 19) is the day African Americans in Texas found out they were freed from slavery, one year and six months after the fact. This date is marked by numerous celebrations in the African American community all over the country.

Kwanzaa is an African American cultural celebration from Dec. 26 to Jan. 1. Each day represents a different principle (unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity, and faith).

In the arts area, research cultural performance groups in your area. Chicano theater groups, African dance troupes and Asian taiko drumming groups are common in many parts of the country. If you live near a reservation, find out when pow wows and ceremonies are held. Many sacred ceremonies are not open to non-tribal members but most reservations will open activities to the public at least once a year.

6. Keep up with media aimed at people of color. Research local newspapers aimed at people of color. Many communities have newspapers targeting African American, Latino, Asian, and Native American communities. Most major metropolitan areas now have Spanish language radio and TV stations.

Almost all network TV stations have programming aimed at specific ethnic communities, although many air during off-peak hours. Most public radio stations and alternative radio stations have special programs hosted by diverse hosts and dealing with a variety of cultural issues. Call your local radio and TV stations and find out when these programs are aired.

7. Question yourself. Why are you threatened by change? What threatens you about a Latino or an African American representing you in the legislature or City Council? Whites have represented people of color for hundreds of years. People of color are often bi-cultural and thus more able to represent diverse populations.

8. Try to learn from your mistakes. When a person of color challenges you or corrects you about a racist or insensitive statement, that does not mean she does not like you. She cares enough about you to inform you of your misconceptions so that you can grow and be a more whole person. If she felt you were a hopeless case, she wouldn't have even bothered.

9. Acknowledge the skills and experience of people of color. Many times a person of color comes to an organization with more leadership skills than Anglos. People of color have been organizing and fighting for civil rights actively as a group for many, many years. African Americans and other oppressed groups have to be emotionally and spiritually strong to endure the inequities, discrimination, lynchings and hatred for generations and still persevere as a race. Acknowledge these leadership skills and strengths as well as your own limitations. Try to learn from your sisters and brothers.

10. Never be afraid to ask questions. People of color are often well-versed in BS detection. They can tell if you are sincere and will answer your questions or help you understand any misassumptions.

11. Learn the history of another culture. If you have never seen the award winning civil rights documentary "Eyes on the Prize", rent/borrow the videotape. PBS often airs it during February, Black History Month. It is also available in book form.

Much civil rights history for Latino(a)s took place in the Southwest. Learn about the Crystal City boycotts in South Texas. There is a great documentary about the Chicano Civil Rights Movement that airs periodically on PBS.

12. Join another organization oriented towards another culture. National organizations like League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference founded by Dr. Martin Luther King), NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), AIM (American Indian Movement), JACL (Japanese/Asian Citizens League) welcome sincere white supporters. Sometimes you may have to join an organization as an associate member or supporter, but you can still participate in activities.

13. Try to put yourself in the other person's shoes. If you have trouble relating, try looking at an analogous situation. For example, at a recent meeting of a community organization, some white people could not understand why people of color did not come back after an initial visit. I presented an analogous scenario: Imagine an organization founded for women but you attended a meeting dominated by men who did not understand the issues of women. Would you come back? Probably not. Likewise, if an organization wants to recruit people of color but the meeting is dominated by whites, people of color are not likely to return because they will probably not feel like they have a place there.

14. Learn to share the power. Don't be afraid to be led by people of color. We, as whites, must become more comfortable with accepting leadership by people of color. This is especially important for the coming decade as people of color become the majority and assume more leadership roles throughout the country.

15. Realize the enemy is not people of color. The force to be dealt with is oppression--racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, ableism, etc. Understand the connections between the "isms". Racism, sexism and other isms are about power and control and fear of those who are different.

16. Read feminist literature by women of color. Women of color face two biases: sexism and racism. Open your eyes by reading from their perspective. A good reading list includes:

• This Bridge Called My Back by Cherrie Moraga & Gloria Anzaldua (multi-cultural)
• Home Girls by Barbara Smith (African American)
• Women, Race and Class by Angela Davis (African American)
• Women, Culture and Politics by Angela Davis (African American)
• Ain't I a Woman by Bell Hooks (African American)
• A Gathering of Spirit by Beth Brant (American Indian)
• Sister Outsider by Audre Lord (African American)
• Yours in the Struggle by Elly Buskin, Minnie Pratt, and Barbara Smith (Anti-semitism and racism)
• When and Where I Enter by Paula Giddings (Racism in the women's movement)
• Three Asian American Writers Speak Out on Feminism by Nellie Wong, Merle Woo, and Mitsuye Yamada (Asian American)
• Mexican Women in the United States: Struggles Past and Present by Magdalena Mora and Adelaid Castillo (Mexican American)

17. Expand your spiritual horizons. If you are a spiritual person, acknowledge the female aspect of the Creator. If you study theological history, you will learn that female aspects of the deity were included in the original scriptures of the Bible but were edited out with the King James version for political reasons. Hasn't it ever occurred to you to question why one half of the population is not revered in the Bible? Why would a document only acknowledge a trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost when women are the givers of life, the nurturers, the ones who understand the essence of life?

According to contemporary archeological findings, all civilization began in Africa, thus we are all African descendants. White people are thought to be mutations who survived over the years after migrating to the colder climates in the Caucasoid Mountains. Early civilizations regarded a Black Woman as the Creator. I strongly recommend reading When God Was a Woman by Merlin Stone and The Great Cosmic Mother by Barbara Mor and Monica Sjoo.

18. Visit the church of another culture. A good way to learn about another culture is by sharing in their worship service. Churches, mosques, temples, synagogues abound for Islamic, Protestant, Gaian, Jewish, Kemetic, Catholic, Sikh, Buddhist, Quaker, Mormon, and other worshipers.

19. Look at the people you have a choice in selecting--friends. How many of your close friends are of another race? If none of your close friends are of a different culture, analyze the reasons why. Do you fear diversity? Why do you not seek out friends of color? Do you limit yourself to Anglo-oriented activities, neighborhoods, employers?

20. What kind of music do you enjoy? If you are a mainstream rock fan, have you ever explored reggae, rap, salsa, or music of other cultures? Have you ever frequented a reggae club? Ever been to a pow wow or a taiko drumming performance?

21. Explore neighborhoods and communities of color. Have you ever acquainted yourself with cultural institutions in your city? Do you know where the black, Hispanic and Asian neighborhoods are? Have you ever shopped in those neighborhoods? Do you know where the closest Indian reservation is?

22. Support minority owned businesses. Do you shop mostly at white owned businesses? Try some affirmative action with your pocketbook. Is all the art on your living room walls Anglo art? Try some diversity in your home decorating and check out local shops that specialize in ethnic art. Join the Black, Hispanic, American Indian or Asian Chambers of Commerce and get a copy of their minority business directories. Support minority vendors whether it is for furnishing your home or for business purchasing decisions.

23. Support non-profit organizations that empower minority populations. Volunteer time, donate money, or attend special events sponsored by such groups as the Urban League, LULAC, Native American Rights Fund and other groups organized to empower people of color. Check out local non-profit organizations that are specific to your community. Remember your goal is empowerment, not patronization. Don't volunteer with a condescending attitude that you're going to "save these poor people".

24. Make a commitment to broaden your perspectives beyond your narrow euro-centric world. You will be amazed at how enriched your life becomes.

This article has been published in the Feminist Networker and Careers magazine and is taught in many college and university classes around the country.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:34 PM
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1. Sounds positive to me
:shrug: More effort needs to be made that's for sure.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:37 PM
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2. Great Insight
More should read this. It's sometimes hard to swallow one's own pride to admit that one is racist, and then do something aboout it. Most people don't realise how discrimination exists and how it corrupts society. I, grew up in the city, attended a public school, which put me into the minority as a caucasian. There I had the hard reality of what things look like when you are a minority, and unfortunately racism was rampid. I had fallen into this mould, and learned that my own racism was attributed to that experience and resentment of daily racial remarks against me and others. Sometimes this resentment of my race, transgressed into physical violence, so I too learned to hate and have restraint in socializing with others of different races. But I also learned that what was learned can be unlearned and that the hate/fear that originated from my experiences could be transpired into something positive. To conclude, I mark my experiences as an education that was invaluable, and in the end, helped me deal with my own prejudices.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:45 PM
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3. Excellant questionairre
please cross-post to Editorials, etc where it will stay up for a longer period and be seen perhaps by others.
I believe this would be okay with mods...you could always try anyway.

thanks
dp
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:47 PM
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4. Huh?
"It was a long, hard painful process and some white women weren't too happy about sharing the power or working on their racism."

Huh? Why is it always assumed that WHITE racism is always the chief obstacle on our road to racial harmony?
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:27 PM
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11. i don't know...may have something to do with slavery
jim crow, internment camps, reservations and the like :shrug:
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:29 PM
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12. Fine.
But given that the average suburban woman alive TODAY didn't have anything to do with slavery, jim crow, internment camps, reservations and the like, I wonder why it's assumed that white people are always the sole repository of racism.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:44 PM
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33. that's a copout
like it or not, we are all touched in some ways by history...especially recent history. america is no different from south africa and germany in this regard. white people do need to address the american culture racism, something that they continue to both perpetuate and benefit from. not all, of course, but certainly some..and clearly some have worked to address the issue, within themselves and in their communities.
the question i have for those in denial: how is it possible to grow up in a country steeped in racism and NOT be affected by it? personally...i think that's an impossibility. it certainly has been for me.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:31 PM
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14. Did you read the whole thing?
"1. Be honest about racism. Racism is prejudice plus the power of the institutional system to uphold that prejudice. In this country the institutional system supports the prejudice of white people. If you doubt this, answer the following questions: How many black Presidents have we had? Latino Senators? American Indian CEOs of Fortune 500 companies? "

Do you disagree?
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:35 PM
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15. Generally speaking...
...let me repeat, generally speaking, I agree that the system still benefits white people in many ways that they don't even notice. And it disadvantages minorities in many ways. But in many ways, minorities enjoy greater protection and benefits in this country than in most places in the world. The right, for example, to have skin color count for a huge portion of one's application to college despite having poor grades.

I do not accept the proposition that people of color cannot be racist. And I do not accept the proposition that white people have all the "power" and that people of color are always on the receiving end of racism. This whole article is just one big generalization.
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:58 PM
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16. just a quick flick of the wrist and wha-la...
But in many ways, whites enjoy greater protection and benefits in this country than in most places in the world. The right, for example, to have parent's alumni status account for a huge portion of one's application to college despite having poor grades.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:02 PM
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17. I'll have to disagree.
I think the amount of "credit" a minor gets for being a minority on their college application is quite trivial in comparison to the amount of disadvantages the same minority receives towards the other parts of the application, such as GPA, due only to their minority status.
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:13 AM
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28. Not so.
At the University of Michigan, simply being black got you 20 points out of a possible 150. Scoring a 1600 on your SAT -- which is damn near impossible -- only gets you 12 points out of a possible 150. So, 20 points for waking up black and 12 points for studying your ass off for years and years. Sorry, that's just not fair.
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:27 AM
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29. Where'd ya hear that?
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 09:33 AM by 4323Lopez
Dateline, like 8 years ago?!? --pleeeeze.
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:46 AM
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30. Nope
Just Google it and you'll find plenty.

http://www.bear-left.com/original/2003/0303reaction.html
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:51 AM
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31. Good article.
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 09:52 AM by 4323Lopez
It proved my point, without any leg work from me, Thanks!

Conservatives have attacked the Michigan admissions scoring because it gives blacks and other underrepresented minorities an extra boost in the admissions scoring. But note the other factors about which they have been silent. Why should potential legacies get 4 extra points? Why should prospective male nurses get 5 extra points? Why should some applicants from only some Michigan counties get 6 extra points? Why should recruited athletes get 20 extra points? Why should disadvantaged students or students from schools in poor areas get 20 points?

The truth is that the number of qualified applicants to good schools like the University of Michigan far exceeds the number of spots in the freshman class. And much of what applicants could bring to a college or university lies outside their SAT scores or even their transcripts. Harvard or Yale could set thresholds of 3.80 grade point averages or 1500 SAT scores and get more than enough applicants to fill their freshman classes. Every college needs well-rounded students who are intellectually fearless, as well as specialized students who will pursue their interests as deeply as graduate students. Every college needs students who have blossomed in high school, as well as students whose full potential will not happen until their college years. Every college needs students whose extracurricular activities, in the orchestra or the basketball court or the greater community, make it a better community.

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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:11 PM
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38. Maybe that...
will make up for thirteen years of racist teachers punishing black children more harshly then white children for the same broken rules, and sending black children to special education classes for no good reason, while sending white children who are equally intelligent to the gifted classes, and all the other racist things which happen in the classroom.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:19 PM
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19. Affirmative Action
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 08:22 PM by boobooday
No admissions sytem at a major university gives minorities a "huge portion" of points for being a member of a minority group. In fact, in most systems, whites from rural areas, or whites who are the first members of their families to go to college get the same number of points.

I have worked in major universities for 15 years, and I can tell you that minority students have no "advantage." (What a joke! -- wouldn't they be graduating at a proportionally higher rate than whites then?) In a country where school systems are funded by property taxes, they often have poorly funded k-12 experiences, and many fewer opportunities in high school. When I worked at the U. of California, some of our Latino students went to high schools where only HONORS students got textbooks.

Ultimately, all the kids from low-income backgrounds are at a disadvantage, and unfortunately, this includes a lot of minority students.

Universities, in wrestling with the admissions process, have found that these economic issues are the greatest predictors of who will succeed, and affirmative action policies at most schools quietly reflect this. It is a nice "hot button" race issue, though, to make white people think that some "less qualified" miniority student got their kids' spot. I have heard it so many times I could puke. The real nature of white privilege is contained in that one lament. Why do they assume it was their spot to lose in the first place? A minority student wouldn't make that assumption. And that's the heart of the matter, right there.

And, as was pointed out, George Bush, a C student, got into an Ivy-league university, barely graduated, and then was accepted into an Ivy-league grad program. Did he ever, for a moment, think: Gee, I must have taken a spot from a minority student who has been studying her ass off in the projects for 12 or 16 years? I don't think so.


http://www.wgoeshome.com

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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:16 PM
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21. Exactly.
"The real nature of white privilege is contained in that one lament. Why do they assume it was their spot to lose in the first place? A minority student wouldn't make that assumption. And that's the heart of the matter, right there."

What's sad is that most white people can't make the connection unless it is pointed out to them, and even then they won't be able to.
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:48 PM
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5. Jesus
Also, this is asinine:

"Since people of color do not have the institutions to empower their prejudices, they cannot be racist."
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:51 PM
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6. Sounds true to me.
You have to be in a position of power to be racist. Anyone can be prejudice.

Racism is a systematic form of oppression by the dominant culture in power in which people are oppressed economically, socially and politically solely based on skin color. Since people of color do not have the institutions to empower their prejudices, they cannot be racist. In other words, people of color can be prejudiced but they cannot be racist without the institutional support.
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:17 PM
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9. Puh-lease
"Racism is a systematic form of oppression by the dominant culture in power in which people are oppressed economically, socially and politically solely based on skin color."

So, minorities who make up the majority in certain areas cannot exercise dominance over other minorities in their midst? Koreans in south central LA don't have any power over blacks?

"Since people of color do not have the institutions to empower their prejudices, they cannot be racist."

This is not the 19th century. Plenty of people of color have power. And many people of color occupy high places in the "institutions" that exercise control over the rest of the population.
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:21 PM
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10. Your reaching...
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 07:22 PM by 4323Lopez
You talking about exceptions to the general rule.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 07:31 PM
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13. and what's your point?
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 07:37 PM by noiretblu
do you think a black man will ever be elected president? when that happens, then i will believe "it's all equal." until that time, though people of color may occupy certain offices, they still work for men like gw bush, no matter how competent. on second thought, when a black man who is as stupid as bush becomes president...
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 08:18 PM
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18. Bingo
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 08:19 PM by HornBuckler
I Agree With You - Caucasian Guilt Is So "Cool"

EDIT
Not That It Matters - I'm Black
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:44 AM
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26. I agree
that definition may be the stupidest thing I have ever read on racism. Only through institutional power can someone be racist? That sounds like sopmeone was trying to find a definition that excuses any non-white from a sin (and racism is a sin) while forcing every white into it. Pathetic. Time for the thread ignore button.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:56 PM
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36. people.....PLEASE THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 08:02 PM by noiretblu
individual racism is NOT A PROBLEM for most of us...now is it? what this article is trying to address, i believe, is institutional racism. you know...it's about the centuries of LEGALIZED discrimination in this country. imagine how absurd you would sound if we were south africans...is that RECENT enough for you to grasp?
:argh:
this happens (personalization) in every single discussion on race here. it's not about YOU personally and it's not about whether some black person called you whitey once. do you realize people are STILL suing companies for racial discrimination? how does toyota come up with the idea to charge black customers more in financing cars than white customers? how does a huge company like coca cola still get to practice discrimination in hiring and promotion? this in not the work of evil individuals, and these are not coincidences...it's a part of the culture.

how in the hell can we ever get to a place of real healing if we can't ever get to a discussion of "the thing itself," and why it all came into being?

NO...instead we hear about how all people CAN BE racist, how no one alive today owned slaves, and other nonsense.

:argh: why do i even bother?
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 09:06 PM
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37. good post
good points!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:57 PM
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7. This is an excellent article and one I have saved to my
hard disk.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 06:58 PM
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8. Whites aren't the only racist people on the planet.
Look at what happened in Rwanda in the '90s.

The difference is that are *forced* to confront it & deal with it every day.
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Hammie Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:00 PM
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20. I'm trying to think but nothing happens
Did you actually read that thing before you posted it?

Quote: Since people of color do not have the institutions to empower their prejudices, they cannot be racist.

Quote: 12. Join another organization oriented towards another culture. National organizations like League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference founded by Dr. Martin Luther King), NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), AIM (American Indian Movement), JACL (Japanese/Asian Citizens League) welcome sincere white supporters. Sometimes you may have to join an organization as an associate member or supporter, but you can still participate in activities.

Yea, only white people can be racist. If you are white and actually buy into that, I pity you.

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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 10:02 PM
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23. You went thru that whole post and that's the best you can do...
You picked out the one line that you felt left you feeling left out because you have a problem being considered a supporter rather than a full member?!?

No baby, its you I pity.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 09:33 PM
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22. I learned a lot growing up as a white minority in NM
As I look back on my experiences, I understand why I garnered so much dislike and distrust. I went to Wilson in Albuq., it was a mix of Ridgecrest wealthy and the Zuni slums (not the tribe!). There were not a great many anglos at the school, but those that were had been in the public school system for awhile. I entered in 7th grade (after working for 1 1/2 years to get thrown out of St. Charles - I finally succeeded).
I had no idea how to act, and got beat up a few times for my lack of knowledge. One of those times was by Bertha M.. We were in Lang. Arts and were taking turns reading. She never read, she always made excuses. She sat inn front of me and had been telling the teacher 'she didn't want to read for about a minute. I blurted out 'Bertha can't read, let me!!!' I got a good lesson that day at the #96 bus stop.
I hated her for 5 years. Then I met her again while we were working together at a local restaurant. I recognized her. She never recognized me. I had gotten contact lenses, and my bucked teeth were now straight. She was a dishwasher.

Bottom line - I spent some time finding out about her life. She was in no way the horrid person I had thought about for years. Her life story was nightmarish - but she didn't see it as such because of the experiences of her peers


I'm rambling....but If anyone knows of SARAH CHURCHVILLE (not Churchhill) - my college roommate (at NMSU< Grad. Poetry) who was brilliant and gave me much insight - please IM me....I have looked all throughout Chicago. Sarah, Where are you? In this messed up world I would love to chat again (T. is now a lesbian most of the time)

Race is an issue only surmountable by large amounts of $$$$$, or a saintly soul (which will probably get squashed)
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 12:45 AM
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24. how about a little
:kick: for the evening crowd
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:30 AM
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25. And another in the mawnin'
HI KAREN!!! :hi: :loveya: :hi:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:45 PM
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34. hey karenina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
march 18th...i got ya covered with some good karma :loveya:
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 08:45 AM
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27. We all have to work against our racist tendencies
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 08:47 AM by Jim__
While I think the paper is probably written with the goal of increasing racial harmony; and that is an admirable goal; and the suggestions about learning and sharing other cultures are great; I also think the positions the paper takes with respect to "white privilege" and minority racism are wrong and work counter to the goal of advancing racial harmony.

For instance, one sentence in the paper states: Racism is prejudice plus the power of the institutional system to uphold that prejudice.

From the Oxford American Dictionary:

racism n 1.belief in the superiority of a particular race. 2. antagonsism between people of different races. 3. the theory that human abilities are determined by race.

You need to take a very careful look at your political position when it demands that you redefine common words in order to uphold your position; and historically, the Oxford American definition is the one accepted for "racism". In the above statement you redefined "racism", or accepted a recent redefinition of the term, specifically so that you can claim minorities cannot be racist. In a word, bullshit. I'm white. I've lived in African American communities. African Americans can be as racist as anyone else. I believe that advocating a position of racial harmony is good. I believe that peace between the races is a necessity if this country is to surive. Declaring that only white people can be racist works against the goal of racial harmony. All of us can be racist and we all have to work to overcome our racist tendencies.

The examples of "white privilege" that you cite:

• I can be sure of being able to rent or get a mortgage for a house in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
• I can be sure that I will be welcome in that new neighborhood.
• I can go shopping and not be followed or harassed.
• I can go shopping and get waited on promptly.
• I can go to a bar and get service.
• I can turn on the TV or read the newspaper and see people who look like me depicted as leaders and influencers.
• When I am told about our national heritage, I can be sure that I will be told that people of my race made it what it is.
• If a traffic cop pulls me over, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
• If I ask to speak to the person in charge, I can be pretty sure I will be talking to a person of my race.
• If I have to go to court, I can be sure my race won't be held against me.

are not examples of "white privilege." They are examples of racism. Any person or institution engaging in the practices listed are racist. However, to claim that my ability to cash a check is "white privilege" is incorrect; the inability of a minority person to cash a check is racism. I am not "privileged" when I am not subject to racist treatment. I am treated fairly when I am not subject to racist treatment. The goal is not to eliminate "privileged" treatment, it is to eliminate racist treatment.

Another example:

Perhaps former Texas Governor Ann Richards described best the privilege of being male, white and wealthy when she quipped, "George Bush thinks he hit a triple when actually he was born on third base."

I was born white and male. I was not born wealthy. My whiteness and maleness do not translate at all into the privileges of George Bush. I was not born on third base. This example argues about the privilege of wealth; and is not an example of "white privilege."

We all have to work against our racist tendencies. Quite frankly, setting up false differences between the races (e.g. minorities cannot be racist, only white people can be racist) is racist and is an obstacle on the path to racial harmony.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:49 PM
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35. belief in the superiority of a particular race
Edited on Wed Feb-25-04 07:51 PM by noiretblu
i confess i didn't read your entire post because this bears some comment. please, please...show me the equivalent of the KKK in the black, native, of latino community? please show me of a black, latino, native, or asian terrorist group that operates or operated WITH the help of law enforcement...with the very LAW.

sorry...it's NOT all EQUAL when you don't have EQUAL POWER. there is NO centuries-old tradition of blacks, native, latinos, asians, etc, working together to deny white people equal rights...there just ISN'T.

some believe this country was founded on, among other things, the value of white supremacy. i have seen little to dispute that propostion.
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 07:38 PM
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32. kick
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MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-25-04 10:21 PM
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39. Thanks for the post
I can admit that my world is too white and I like the ideas they've presented here. Some I already do but others are definitely worth looking into.

Thanks again for posting.

:yourock:
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