Is this gay-marriage issue as important as the flag burning issue?

[myomy]

Remember daddy's flag burning issue and his trip to a flag making company during his campaign? These people are masters at trying to divide the country. Haven't we had enough of this?

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. As fond as I am of flag-burning, this is more important. Here's why

This has nothing to do with gay people, or marriage.

It's about equal protection under the law and separation of religion and state.

bush's proposed amendment will require amending the first amendment and repealing the 14th, to avoid constitutional crisis and decades of court challenges.

If I want a law that says you have to follow the doctrine of a particular religious sect, and that your ethnic group should not have the same rights as mine, do you think I would choose a popular group to get my foot in the door?

I need something emotional, a hot-button that you will agree to without thinking things through.

[kayell]

13. "It's about equal protection under the law and separation of religion

and state." I agree on all that and that this has the potential to hurt people who have no idea that it applies to them.

But it is also a SERIOUS human and civil rights issue. Saying that gay marraige is not an important issue is to me like saying that "seperate but equal" education was not an important issue.

Yeah, the pukes are using it as a wedge issue, but damn, this is a VERY important issue for lots of reasons.

[DuctapeFatwa]

15. Equal rights is an important issue for everybody

And marriage is important for any two people who love each other and want to get married, I don't care what gender, or race, or religion they are or what they like on their pizza.

What I am saying is that whether you are straight, gay, independent or undecided, whether you think marriage is a fine thing or the root of all evil, this amendment is about you, your rights, and whether your elected representatives, your servants, who live like rich men while you struggle to keep a roof over your head believe that you should have the same rights as your neighbor.

In every state.

[kayell]

16. Agreed, we are on the same page

If they take away rights for ANY group of people, as opposed to the history in this country of movement towards increasing rights, EVERYONE in this country is in for a world of hurt.


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me —
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.

German anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemöller

[DuctapeFatwa]

18. LOL one day I'm going to spell his name at least half right

even if I never have the nerd skills needed to make an umlaut. :)

[kayell]

23. I cut and pasted it, I can't spell that name either

and the umlaut just went along for the ride. *hangs head in shame*

[gula]

26. I still get tears in my eyes everytime I read this

As for the umlaut an ö is "alt 148"

[patricia92243]

2. One involves PEOPLE - the other involves an object

[myomy]

11. Yes, but it's equally hypocritical.

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[ms_splash]

5. ha ha ha ha ha ha

That was a joke, right?

(we really have to get a special font for sarcasm)

[megatherium]

6. it was a republican, Mitch McConnell,

that torpedoed the flag amendment last time. They wanted the wedge issue, but fortunately they had the good sense to leave the Constitution alone.

[mac2]

9. What?

"Marriage is a religious institution and always has been.

It was designed to breed up children."

This is a joke is it not? What about living in sin if you have sex and don't get married? Sho

What about couples who marry and can't or don't want children? Should we live outside the laws and live in sin?

Think about that.

[A wise Man]

10. The flag is an object, this is about ethics

As much as I detest Bush and his complete administration, I must agree for once with the impostor in the "Whitehouse".We have in this country three basic elements that defines our very existence. " THE BIBLE, THE CONSTITUTION and our " COMMON SENSE ". In explanation, the Bible gives us the sense of awareness and the balance between right and wrong. The CONSTITUTION gives us laws that enforce and defines the Bible. Our COMMON SENSE enables each and every individual to use the gifts of reasoning when there are conflicts between the previous two. The question is, which of these three are more valid than the other? The answer is "COMMON SENSE". It allows us to distinquish, examine and analyze any ramification that may occur in either.
We must look at a hidden agenda from those that wish to compare themselves to others of traditional values. We must look at our children, the impression and the effects it will have on them for a lifetime of ridicule and a society giving children a choice of identity as well as making the marriage of a MAN and WOMEN insignificant. Once marriage is redefined, adoption also will be redefined. Let us not forget, that once the PANDORAS box is open, we can't just say " OOP's.

[Bertha Venation]

20. buh-bye, grandmasue

I surely wish you hadn't been tombstoned. I'd've loved to have disabused you of your ignorance. (BTW ignorance = lack of knowledge, lack of facts)

Wanna discuss the facts? [e-mail]

[K-W]

4. Lets hope its just as important.

An issue that people dont care enough about to vote on.

[mac2]

8. Is it going to solve the problems of ...

debt, war, loss of democracy and freedoms right now?

[mac2]

7. It's the same distraction to divide us......

At election time instead of demanding real issues be addressed and supported.

[Bertha Venation]

19. mac2, can you explain how gay marriage is not a real issue, please?

Thanks.

[Scottie72]

12. Don't you have this back wards?

Burning flags is one thing. We are talking about actually affecting the very lives of Millions of Americans with this amendment. This is is probably the most important issue of our time. It is a time when our government will be able to live up to its ideals or turn its back on its ideal. Thus taking one more step toward theocracy

[goddess40]

14. Both are equal to the right - they're diversions

They don't really care about the outcome, just that it takes the focus off the real crap they are doing.

[Bertha Venation]

17. It's more important, myomy.

A flag has no rights.

[myomy]

22. Yes, I agree with you, however the Rethugs

are experts at changing the subject to change the focus, which was my intention with this post.

[Imajika]

21. It is much more important..

..and I am afraid we are going to get clobbered with it.

I believe the idea that this issue could somehow hurt Bush more than the Democratic Party is a bad case of the sort of absolute politically tone deaf naivete I so often read here.

The majority of the American public DO NOT support gay marriage. The majority of the American public DO NOT like what they are seeing in San Francisco and Massachusetts.

Many Americans will not admit they support this discriminatory ammendment, but they really will. The majority of the public will support Bush on this, even more than the polls will indicate.

The only way Kerry and our party breaks even on this is to take an absolutely principled stand against this amendment in any form it might take.....and STICK TO IT. Any waffling whatsoever is going to be bad news for us.

This is a big wedge issue Bush and Co. are going to use like a baseball bat, and I suspect it will be a net winner for them.

If anyone had any doubt that this might be one of the nastiest campaigns in history, Bush's speech today ought to dispel that.

Imajika

[myomy]

24. I do not understand why people feel threatened by this,

My wife (female) and I (male) both wonder why love and happiness isn't the driving force here.

[noiretextatique]

25. at the time, the majority of the american public did not support

equal civil rights for ______________________________ just fill in the blank. the demoratic party needs to show some leadership on this issue, just as it has in the past on other civil rights issues. otherwise...why don't we just outlaw everything THE MAJORITY doesn't like?