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Shadowen Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:32 AM
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Need some help debating the 2000 election
Now, I recall that in Stupid White Men, Michael Moore mentioned 40000 mostly-black voters illegally (by state law) disenfranchised in Florida thanks to "felon lists" provided by...of all places...Texas.

I also recall that somewhere in The Bush Dyslexicon (by Mark Crispin Miller), it also mentions that a full recount of Florida would have meant a win for Gore by more than half a million votes.

I've skimmed the Dyslexicon, but don't have Stupid White Men with me right now. Where would I find them?

Any alternate, "backup" sources on this?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:35 AM
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1. Try This Video
http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta

This clarifies everything in two minutes and is fully vetted in Greg Palast's book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy."
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Shadowen Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:49 AM
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2. I said sources.
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 12:50 AM by Shadowen
Not "Flash-powered glitz". Nonetheless, it'll make a good "finishing point", after I give some real evidence.

Anything else?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:04 AM
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9. You Did Not Read My Post - Vetted By Greg Palast!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:51 AM
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3. John Nichols' book, "Jews for Buchanan," is well worth your time.

n/t
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Shadowen Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:11 AM
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4. Thanks.
Now. Anyone have the page numbers for those figures I mentioned in the first two books?
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Paul Hood Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:18 AM
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5. Palast voter purge link.
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Shadowen Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:24 AM
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6. Already Googled it.
C'mon, give me something really, really obscure. To paraphrase the Resident Curious George Dubya Shrub, "Bring on."
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:32 AM
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7. Basically, The Florida Supreme Court Ordered A
statewide recount of the votes, which pretty much eliminated the specious "equal protection" argumnent Bushco made at the time when they complained that only three counties ballots were being recounted. But for some (partisan) reason the US Supreme Court overruled the completely reasonable Florida Supreme Court decision. The review of the ballots showed that a statewide recount would have gave Gore the election.

More can be explained by The Betrayal of America: How the Supreme Court Undermined the Constitution and Chose Our President by Vincent Bugliosi (shorter version here) and Supreme Injustice by Alan Dershowitz.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:43 AM
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8. Black Box Voting Ballot-tampering in the 21st Century
Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 01:45 AM by ParanoidPat
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 02:09 AM
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10. I posted this earlier
"up to 57,000 persons, the majority of them African American and Democrats, had their voting rights removed."

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=182&row=1

Tuesday, November 5, 2002

ISAAC HERNANDEZ. Special for EL MUNDO
LOS ANGELES.- The last presidential election, Greg Palast, journalist for the BBC and the newspaper The Guardian, investigated a voters purge list in the Florida electoral list. According to his investigation, up to 57,000 persons, the majority of them African American and Democrats, had their voting rights removed. The story is repeated in today´s election. In his book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, Palast tells how the State of Florida hired a company named DBT for four million dollars to remove felons from the electoral list to keep them from voting. Palast demonstrates how Jeb Bush´s office asked DBT to grow the list to the max, including voters with similar names and born on the same date as the felons.

Thousands of people came to the electoral office to vote only to find out that they were felons.

Originally we thought it was 57,000 people that were purged. Now I got the info from DBT that there were 94,000 people in this list. 91,000 were innocent. If those people have voted, Al Gore would most likely have received the 537 votes that he needed to win. What makes the story so sad and rotten is that the Secretary of State of Florida, Katherine Harris, has agreed that innocent people were removed, but they dragged their feet and have used this same list in this election.
According to the settlement from the NAACP lawsuit, the State has to revise the list and return the voting rights to the innocent ones. But they are going to wait until after the elections to do so.

Jeb Bush arranged to steal the election in 2000 for his brother, and is keeping it stolen for his own re-election. Election 2000 is not old news; it's what happening on Tuesday. On top of that, computerized voting - it's a real nightmare. Machines continue to fail in black districts in Florida. It happened in September and we will see it on Tuesday. All the problems of 2000, but it's going to be worse. -What is surprising is that the main media channels are not talking about this.
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About The Voting Rights Act
http://www.usdoj.gov/kidspage/crt/voting.htm

Voting Rights

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibits discrimination in voting practices or procedures because of race and color. In 1957 and 1960, Congress had enacted voting rights laws that took small steps toward increasing minority voting participation for all Americans. The 1965 Act, however, made huge strides towards making voting rights a reality. The Act prohibited literacy tests and poll taxes which had been used to prevent blacks from voting (see Background and Introduction). In 1975, Congress recognized the need to protect citizens who did not read or speak English well enough to participate in the political process and expanded the protections of the Voting Rights Act to them.

In 1963, civil rights activists began an effort to register black voters in Dallas County, Alabama. During 1963 and 1964, although they brought potential voters by the hundreds to the registrar's office in the courthouse in Selma, they were unable to get them registered to vote. In
January and February 1965, protests were held in Selma to bring attention to this violation of rights. The protests were met by violence by Sheriff James Clark and his deputies. On February 17, a small civil rights march ended in the shooting of Jimmy Lee Jackson who died from his wounds several days later. The civil rights activists decided to hold a memorial march from Selma to the state capitol in Montgomery on March. 7.
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http://www.house.gov/corrinebrown/press107/pr020529.htm
May 29, 2002

Congresswoman Brown Denounces U.S. Department of Justice Decision
(Washington, DC) With regard to the United States Department of Justice's recent comments about the 2000 elections in Florida, ..
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