Sierra Club is considering adopting anti-immigration policy.

[AP]

Sierra Club is a $95 million organization, and the right wing is doing what they've done to HRC and many other single issue liberal interest groups. They're trying to destroy them from within -- they'r trying to balkanize their issues and corrupt them with conservative goals that they think members will be suckers for (since they might have their single issue blinkers up). In this case, the anti-immigration issue is being sold as a population control issue.

So, get ready. I'm sure if this passes, you're going to see the Sierra Club endorsing Republicans who are anti-immigration, throw a few bones on the environment, but are totally down with transferring power to big corporations.

[GainesT1958]

1. Apparently, this white supremacist guy...

Has been plotting to make this "takeover" move since 1986, by getting any and all nutcases supporting his agenda to join the Sierra Club and eat away at it from within, like colon cancer...

Believe it or not, his name's NOT, in fact, Grover Norquist!:eyes:

Maybe the Sierra Club needs our help--can anybody here post the number we should call to join? Years ago, I used to be a member of the Triangle (N.C.) Chapter--guess they need me back, now! :eyes:

Please help to keep the Sierra Club the wonderful, progressive environmental force it's always been...our land and our wildlife are counting on it!

B-)

[Hell Hath No Fury]

2. The deadline to join..

in time to vote in the election has already past -- I tried. :)

But, I did have a chance to warn every Sierra Club member I know about the nutters in their midst. They know who NOT to vote for now.

[ldoolin]

10. What "white supremacist guy"?

Please name a name and provide a shred of evidence that he is a "white supremacist".

[cally]

3. Sierra Club almost adopted this a few years back

I forget which year. It was narrowly defeated IIRC.

[blindpig]

4. population is a legitimate issue for an environmental org

overpopulation of humans is the greatest threat to our biosphere. US population growth is due to immigration. Americans are the biggest pigs on the planet. So, do I advocate mass deportations and a Maginot Line on our southern border? THe first would be cruel and the second stupid. Rather, US policy should be to promote human and economic rights worldwide. By impelling our corps to provide good wages, working conditions & environmental standards in their overseas operations. By conditioning our aid to governments on same and adoption of family planning(we need that in this country too!).
I don't think this is a left/right issue. Note that the repubs are ignoring their xenophobe wing, as the cheap labor portion of their party rules.

[HFishbine]

5. Is that why

They advocate so strongly for family planning?

[blindpig]

6. not quite sure

who they is, sierra or repubs?

[HFishbine]

7. The Sierra Club

and I was being sarcastic to make the point that if overpopulation is the reasona an environmental organization is getting into the immigration debate, there are other issues that they needn't be avoiding.

[blindpig]

8. well, you know how it is about sarcasm around here

sometimes I think it needs a special font.......
but I think I agree with you, about enviro orgs. It seems that the movement is split into a gaggle of special interest groups which are not always mutually supportive and diffuses potential political power. Worse, people drop a small check in the mail and think they're environmentalist while they drive their SUV's, work in a polluting industry or otherwise engage in counterproductive activities. And don't get me started about the crisis of the month mailings.......
All those trees!

[AP]

11. Adopting issues which help Republicans get elected isn't.

[AP]

12. Furthermore, if you want to slow down population growth,

elevate everyone to the middle class, let everyone have good jobs, with plenty of options and control over their lives.

[blindpig]

16. obviously

but you're not going to do that as long as a massive pool of cheap labor exist to hold down wages. Even if we raise the minimum wage(as we should)illegals will provide a resourse to anti-american employers.
A related proplem I see is getting Americans to pay the higher prices than they are used to due to empire and exploitation.Somehow that will have to be done. The reality check is going to be tough.

[ldoolin]

9. Here is a good website

www.sierrademocracy.org

Good place to find out all about the Sierra Club upcoming election, and the disinformation circulating about it.

Here are a few facts:

Richard Lamm was Colorado's LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC governor and has a longtime strong environmental record. He has nothing to do with the right wing.

Doug LaFollette is Wisconsin's current LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC secretary of state. He has nothing to do with the right wing.

Paul Watson was a founder of Greenpeace, and the Sea Shepherd Society. He has nothing to do with the right wing.

The excessive amount of legal immigration going on has long been a concern of many mainstream environmentalists, as part of addressing the overpopulation issue. This has nothing to do with racism or the right wing.

Please stop buying into hysterical disinformation being put out by the likes of Morris Dees, who has gone completely off the deep end and needs to take a long retirement.

See also: www.susps.org , www.seashepherd.org , www.npg.org

[cryofan]

14. yes, indeed. Stopping mass immigration is a LIBERAL issue

The cheap labor conservatives are the ones who want to shoehorn a billion people into America....the better to lower wages and increase GOP slumlord rents....

[JasonBerry]

13. Very legit issue

Nothing at all wrong with shutting off the spigot. Shut down the borders for a few years, work on assimilation issues, deal with the problem open borders has created and then, maybe, it will be time again soon. But it IS time to put up the "No Vacancy" sign. This is not, as someone correctly pointed out, a left-right issue ---- this is an American issue.

It doesn't make a person "anti-immigrant" to recognize that there is a serious problem confronting California. Try this statistic relating to California: Of the increase of 4.2 million people during those 10 years, the net gain generated by the native population was just 90,000, fewer than attend each year's Rose Bowl game.
http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-growth04jan25,1,5397335.story?coll=la-headlines-magazine

[Leilani]

15. Water supply is a huge issue in the West

& overpopulation increases the looming crisis.

[Bridget Burke]

17. Yes, turn the USA into a giant gated community....

Let the rest of the world go to hell. Too bad pollution doesn't respect borders.

[blindpig]

18. who said anything about that?

please see post #4