Chris Matthews just destroyed Nader!!

[YEM]

He asked who he ever voted for. Nader refused to answer.
He asked him if he would release his tax records. He said never.

[kskiska]

1. He's really ripping him

but he keeps repeating how * is such a good family man, and has two daughters in college. Nader keeps pointing out that * was irresponsible till age 40, in his own words.

[seabeyond]

2. i am impressed with nadar

i am listening now. and i am not fearful of nadar, democrats have the focus, they dont need to be fearful, we can listen to the man and hear other views. i am enjoying him personally.

and he has been totally back kerry adn dissing bush, and on the corporate funding for kerry he expressed how he is work in progress, appreciating what he see, above and beyond electing kerry or edward. so i am ok here with nadar, tonight, always open to change depending what comes up

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[seabeyond]

28. enraged ape

you do put a smile on my face yes you do. none of the above. i was pissed yesterday as i said down below, til i saw the higher in all this and i saw how the democrats were focused and i didnt fear him running so bad. fear ah that dreaded fear. i dont often sit in fear and pretty quickly find ways to sit in peace and vola, fear goes away

ya ya ya you dont get what i am saying.

and then had a conversation with a friend this morning who doesnt pay attention to the news, and talking what was up with the fundamentalist, she is one, and bush, and the democrats running. talking dean and her refusal to listen to what dean said. and how we had a responsibility to listen to peoples words.

i had the opportunity to listen to nadar this evening and i liked how nadar hands down supported the democrats and attacked bush. and i give him credit for it

so reaction is just that. one of the differences i see in democrat opposed to republican, and have really seen since reading this board, there may be a reaction, yet so often, i see the democrats bring it to center, stillness (again something you may not understand but works for me) a peace. and in that it is the higher vibration of something, and always, there is a purity.

so darlin, that is where i be.

now do i support nadar, nah, do i think it is ego, yes, but i did enjoy listening to him take down hardball as fast talking and interupting that man is, was fun to watch. and i am not concerned with what he will do to the vote to democrat, from what i heard all yesterday on tv, which i talked about on another thread.

[seabeyond]

29. i dont take another words

personally, so no hurting my feelers, but tsk tsk, you didnt follow the rules. have i said how much i am enjoying this board.

there is not a chance i am going to be able to follow all these rules either, i am just not that good. ah well.

[Enraged_Ape]

30. Then I misjudged you, Seabeyond...

if you really have had some sort of "Nader epiphany" over the past 24 hours. And I am sorry.

I actually supported Ralph in the last election, but think it's way out of place for him to run now. That's just my opinion, of course. And it took me a lot longer than one day to change it, but anything's possible, I guess.

In the meantime, I hope you do reconsider your stance on seatbelts/helmets. I know you don't like to be told what to do, but you seem like a fairly reasonable--and maybe even a nice--guy, so I would hate to see happen to you what I have seen happen to so many others who didn't take such (relatively) easy precautions. It's pretty damn sad and horribly tragic.

Peace be with you. Namaste.

[seabeyond]

31. well cool, thank you

no epiphany, i just liked what i heard the man say and i am a believer in honoring the good i hear. even in the best of times, i would have to hear way more from him before any epihany, ergo voting for him. i live in the state of texas, i knew how much i didnt want bush as president four years ago, and want him even less today then back then.

no maybe, i just am nice,. lol lol

[lancdem]

3. Why won't Nader release his tax records?

Every other presidential candidate does. I guess St. Ralph makes up his own rules.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

4. if Nader was a serious candidate for President, he should open his records

I guess he isn't a serious candidate for President.

[djg21]

5. Nader wants to be a king-maker.

He just doesn't have the clout. His annointed candidate -- Dean -- for whatever reason, didn't have the staying power (this isn't about Dean!), and now Nader needs to throw a wrench into the works and be a spoiler. If Dean remained in the race, Nader wouldn't be running!


The truth is that Nader is not half as important to the progressive movement as he thinks himself. He is a burr in the side of the left. Nothing more. I wish he would just go away already.

[DennisReveni]

10. Here is an idea.

"The truth is that Nader is not half as important to the progressive movement as he thinks himself. He is a burr in the side of the left. Nothing more. I wish he would just go away already."

Here is a thought, if you feel so strongly cut the seat belts out of your car and remove the airbags.
C'mon do a real protest that way.

[kysrsoze]

18. That was a B.S. reply

While I applaud what he did in the past, this is NOT the Nader who was a staunch consumer advocate. That guy is long gone and has been replaced by an egomaniacal (and deranged if you ask me) idiot. He keeps talking about his "movement." The Greens abandoned him and there is almost no one left to support him.

Lest we not forget his statement before the last election that there was no difference between Gore and Bush, AND his statement last week that there is no difference between Dems and Repubs.

Whatever - he's a worthless @ss without a single shred of remaining integrity.

[dad]

25. No difference btwn Democrats and Republicans

http://www.votenader.org/why_ralph/index.php?cid=3

Didn’t Ralph say that there was "no difference between the Democrats and Republicans?"
Ralph did not say — as has been repeated ad nauseum — that there was NO difference between them.

He said that overall there were few major differences for which the Democrats were willing to fight -- differences not just in rhetoric but in reality.

The Republicans have become very good at electing extreme Republicans, and the Democrats have been very good at allowing them to do so.

Do you still think there are few major differences between the major parties?
Yes, compared to their towering similarities (including selling elections to commercial interests), and Ralph’s agenda to move this country forward. Both parties keep getting worse.

Now a question for you: what is your breaking point with politics as usual?

[Ediacara]

32. funny

All the Nader posters I saw in late October looked like this:

GORE

=

BUSH
----
Vote Nader

Never said it huh?

[Ediacara]

16. I don't think that's true

If Dean remained in the race, Nader wouldn't be running!

Nader is a demonstrated liar (no difference between Bush and Gore). He claimed that he would not if Dean or Kucinich were running, but I think we all know that that was simply a lie. Ralph was going to run no matter what.

[Ediacara]

14. If Nader was a serious candidate

He'd run in the Dem primaries...

[TacticalPeek]

17. If he was serious about his so-called "plan",

he would be running against Shrub in the Republican primaries and caucuses.

Press is all he wants, and he'd probably get more ink going that route, especially in 'open' primaries.

[DennisReveni]

8. They do voluntarily

Nader filled the ethics form, that is MANDATORY. Tax records seem to be VOLUNTARY.
Nader is standing up for the right to privacy.
Doesn't anyone care about that anymore?

[Blue_Roses]

21. get real

is that the same "privacy" you want for this administration? seriously, if he is going to run as a public figure he has to let the people in on what he up to...literally. If he wants to keep his things private then get out of the race 'cause otherwise he looks extremely shady.

[TacticalPeek]

12. Logically, nothing to gain.

If one has 0% chance of being president before releasing tax records, and 0% chance after, then what would be the point?

He apparently doesn't mind the hypocrisy as much as he would mind the embarrassment of the money trail.

What hypocrisy? Open government, 'sunshine', informed voting, etc.

[AgadorSparticus]

33. maybe he's afraid we'd find out WHY he's REALLY running....

[minkyboodle]

6. funny

I saw Mathews blathering on as usual about Bush being a family man and Nader ripping him to shreds with consistency and candor. I know most are angry with Nader (I'll be voting Dem come November) but distorting reality to boost your hate of the man is really not necessary.
Scott

[Lauren2882]

13. I agree--

I just posted a long post about how stupid that "family man" stuff was.

[Robin Hood]

26. He distorted reality to conjure hate in the dem ranks.

So, now we are supposed to not beat the man after we have been picking up after him for the last three and a half years. If he were here right now I would punch that son of a bitch in the mouth.

[minkyboodle]

34. tough guy

gimmie a break

[Robin Hood]

35. Give me a break.

I can't afford four more years of unemployment to under-employment. I can't afford four more years of no health care. I can't afford four more years of Bush. How about giving me a break?

It seems that Nader people are far removed from the consequences of their action. It must be nice to live in your world. There are real suffering faces behind naders decisions. He has punched me in the gut, why can't I punch him in the face?

[DennisReveni]

7. Sure

Man you must be seriously buzzed to think that. Nader DEFENDED his own and stood on principle.
You may have noticed he also attacked Bush on his AWOL, something the leading Dems have not, while defending Kerry.
Yes, Mathews tried to beat up on Ralph. But Mathews gave up when Nader put him in his place.
Either way Nader answered with honor, honesty and dignity.

[seabeyond]

9. i agree

and i really havent listened to man cause pissed he got in the race. but i dont see him hurting kerry, with what he said. someone implied it sounded like prior to election he was going to get out. maybe he will. certainly though, anyone serious getting bush out, regardless of their admiration of the man, wont be voting for him

[candy331]

11. Dennis Reveni Thank you for Your honest assessment

of the interview. I have listened to Nader and I thought he could hold his own especially with likes of Matthews.

[kysrsoze]

19. If Nader had any dignity left, he would come out screaming about

corporatism WITHOUT bothering to run for president again. That tactic does nothing, especially since many people are so incensed by his first run that they don't want to listen to what he has to say.

[TacticalPeek]

20. Fn A!

Since when must one run for prez to speak out??? He might as well be 'Judge' Moore.

[KharmaTrain]

15. I Don't Think People Are Listening...

I don't think Nader's gonna pry away too many Democratic votes this time around...and I've explained (and been flamed) in other posts what Nader could be doing to help out the squatters in the White House...and that's all that counts right now.

He's come out saying he'd impeach *, attacked him for being AWOL & defended Kerry, called the Iraq Invasion a war for oil and the economy the disaster it is. These are the words we want out there...and especially if the Wingnuts thing he's seriously gonna hurt us. Maybe some of their hive will listen and start investigating their manchild closer.

Yes, let's tone things down...Nader's not a threat.

[UTUSN]

22. Kick for Great Discussion n/t

[Blue_Roses]

23. Watching it now..on at 10pm here

wow, Chris ravenous...kind of like a dog gone mad. Kind of feel sorry for Nader in a weird sort of way. :eyes:

[TacticalPeek]

24. Tweety can be silly sometimes, for a guy that actually knows a thing or 2.

Like, quick, Ralph, have a kid or two if you really want to be prez.

And his reliable stand-by: How 'bout that hot babe Michigan governor?! pantpant

Whew.