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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:02 AM
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This should be on every front page in the country
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 12:04 AM by Mari333
All U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq — whether in combat, by accident or suicide — pass through the morgue before being flown home to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

The bodies' arrivals at Dover are closed to the public and the media, a legacy of the television coverage showing American soldiers who were killed during the Vietnam War.

As of Friday, 544 U.S. service members have died since the beginning of military operations in Iraq, according to the Department of Defense (news - web sites).

The 54th Quartermaster Company (Mortuary Affairs) dates to 1923, when it was called the 350th Graves Registration Unit. Its members participated in World War II, the Gulf War (news - web sites) and the U.S. intervention in Bosnia, and transported bodies from the Sept. 11 attack on the Pentagon (news - web sites).

On Saturday, there were no arrivals from Iraq.

"It's a good day," said Pfc. Michelle Beaudoin, 21, of Buffalo, N.Y. , who listened to soft soul music on a boom box inside the tent. "We get busy days and slow days."

A tough day at the mortuary follows a major calamity in Iraq, such as the Nov. 2 downing of a Chinook helicopter near Fallujah that killed 16 U.S. soldiers or the Nov. 15 collision of a pair of Black Hawk helicopters in Mosul that killed 17.

"No matter how many remains come through here, you have to stand back and take a breath and continue to work," said Rawlings, a soft-spoken, bald 24-year-old with tattooed forearms. "You just basically block it out. You imagine the remains aren't real. They're just a shell."






http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/022304D.shtml
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Parrcrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:09 AM
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1. I agree with you
thanks for the link
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:03 AM
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2. Kick.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:20 AM
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3. We gotta get em home
as soon as possible.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:56 AM
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4. Thanks.
This should also be on every front page in the country:

Families Condemn 9/11 Coverup

Sept. 11th Families Steering Committee demands Bush testify under oath - Challenges White House to provide answers to 23 questions - Kean Commission accused of accepting "whitewash"



"Mr. Bush, who approved the flight of the bin Laden family out of the United States, when all commercial flights were grounded?"

That is one of 23 explosive questions that George W. Bush and his subordinates will have to face in public testimony, under oath and pain of perjury - that is, if the relatives of people killed in the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 get their way.

"Why has no one in any level of our government been held ac-countable for the countless failures leading up to and on 9/11?"

For more than a year, the Family Steering Commitee - a group of thirteen "9/11 relatives" representing several other 9/11 family groups - has monitored the government's commission on Sept. 11, which is headed by former New Jersey governor Thomas Kean. FSC member Mindy Kleinberg was among the first to testify when the Kean Commission began holding public proceedings. She alerted the panel to a number of disturbing and unanswered ques-tions and contradictions in the government's explanation of what happened on Sept. 11. Almost none of the issues raised by Klein-berg were ever again brought up in the Kean Commision's public hearings.

(For a transcript of Kleinberg's comments, see
www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing1/witness_kleinberg.htm)

The Family Steering Committee issued their challenge to Bush on Monday, following reports last week that the Kean Commission had asked George W. Bush and Bill Clinton to testify. The White House says Bush is considering an appearance before the Kean Commission, but only in secret session. And if he does appear, it is unlikely Bush will face questions like those on the Family Steering Committee's list:

"Please explain why you remained at the Sarasota, Florida, Ele-mentary School for a press conference after you had finished lis-tening to the children read, when as a terrorist target, your pres-ence potentially jeopardized the lives of the children?"

(Mr. Bush, his staff and his Secret Service entourage were indeed in that school, as carried on live television, until 9:32 a.m. on Sept. 11, 45 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, and 27 minutes after the moment when Bush was informed of the sec-ond plane crash and told "America is under attack," at 9:05 a.m., an anomaly that the White House has never explained.)

In recent weeks, the family members have released a series of harshly-worded statements, blasting the Bush administration for stonewalling the investigation - and also condemning the Kean Commission for refusing to examine key evidence. These state-ments have been published at the FSC's website at www.911independentcommission.org.

In its public hearings the Kean Commission has indeed displayed reluctance to pursue controversial lines of inquiry. It is hard to imagine its members would ever ask if the U.S. government tried to cut a deal with Osama Bin Laden in advance of the attacks, as reported in the European press already in 2001.





But the families want an answer: "Did you or any agent of the United States government carry out any negotiations or talks with UBL, an agent of UBL, or al-Qaeda?" ("UBL" is government speak for Osama Bin Laden.)

Nor has the Kean Commission shown any inclination to follow the trail of the Cheney "energy policy meetings" in early 2001 and the Bush administration's oil-pipeline negotiations with the Taliban up to July 2001 - a touchy subject that might come up if the govern-ment ever had to answer this question: "During that same period, did you or any agent of the United States government carry out any negotiations or talks with any foreign government, its agents, or officials regarding UBL?"

And it is simply inconceivable that the Kean Commission would ever wonder out loud if anyone other than Al-Qaeda benefitted from the attacks. But the families are not afraid of the obvious: "Which individuals, governments, agencies, institutions, or groups may have benefited from the attacks of 9/11?"

Although the Kean Commission accepted a deal strictly limiting its access to the White House documents detailing advance warnings of a possible terror attack, Governor Kean last week felt confident enough to claim there was "no smoking gun" to indicate Bush had specific advance knowledge of the attacks - at least not in the "parts of the documents" Kean had been allowed to see.

The families don't buy that on faith or partial evidence. They want to know the real answer: "As Commander-in-Chief, from May 1, 2001 until September 11, 2001, did you receive any information from any intelligence agency official or agent that UBL was plan-ning to attack this nation on its own soil using airplanes as weap-ons, targeting New York City landmarks during the week of Sep-tember 11, 2001 or on the actual day of September 11, 2001?"

Meticulously researched, the FSC's questions to Bush reflect many of the same concerns that have caused millions of people world-wide to doubt everything about the official story of Sept. 11, 2001, and to call for a truly independent investigation with subpeona power, testimony under oath, and no self-imposed restrictions as to "allowable" lines of inquiry.

It is hard to dismiss these concerns as "conspiracy theory" when the U.S. government itself used the most outrageous conspiracy theory of all - the lie that Saddam backed the attacks - as one of its pretexts to invade Iraq. In that matter as well, the families want to see the government held accountable: "Do you continue to main-tain that Saddam Hussein was linked to al-Qaeda?" they ask. "What proof do you have of any connection between al-Qaeda and the Hussein regime?"

These questions indicate that the families have come to under-stand that, as great as their grief and tragedy was, the stakes in the 9/11 disclosure issue are far greater, and involve more than justice for the victims and well-deserved closure for the families. 9/11 was used as a lever to shift the world. All Americans - and, given the global impact, the people of the whole world - need to learn the answers that the families now demand.•

• Family Steering Committee at 911independentcommission.org

• See also 9/11 Truth movement sites at
septembereleventh.org and ny911truth.org
Family Steering Committee Statement and Questions Regarding 9/11 Commission Interview with President Bush


February 16, 2004. The Family Steering Committee believes that President Bush should provide sworn public testimony to the full ten-member panel of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
Collectively, the Commissioners are responsible for fulfilling the Congressional mandate. Therefore, each Commissioner must have full access to the testimony of all individuals and the critical information that will enable informed decisions and recommenda-tions. Before an audience of the American people, the Commis-sion must ask President Bush in sworn testimony, the following questions:

1. As Commander-in-Chief on the morning of 9/11, why didn't you return immediately to Washington, D.C. or the National Military Command Center once you became aware that America was under attack? At specifically what time did you become aware that America was under attack? Who informed you of this fact?

2. On the morning of 9/11, who was in charge of our country while you were away from the National Military Command Center? Were you informed or consulted about all decisions made in your absence?

3. What defensive action did you personally order to protect our nation during the crisis on Sept. 11? What time were these orders given, and to whom? What orders were carried out? What was the result of such orders? Were any such orders not carried out?

4. In your opinion, why was our nation so utterly unprepared for an attack on our own soil?

5. U.S. Navy Captain Deborah Loewer, the Director of the White House Situation Room, informed you of the first airliner hitting Tower One of the World Trade Center before you entered the Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida. Please explain the reason why you decided to continue with the scheduled classroom visit, fifteen minutes after learning the first hijacked airliner had hit the World Trade Center.

6. Is it normal procedure for the Director of the White House Situation Room to travel with you? If so, please cite any prior examples of when this occurred. If not normal procedure, please explain the circumstances that led to the Director of the White House Situation Room being asked to accompany you to Florida during the week of September 11th.

7. What plan of action caused you to remain seated after Andrew Card informed you that a second airliner had hit the second tower of the World Trade Center and America was clearly under attack? Approximately how long did you remain in the classroom after Card's message?

8. At what time were you made aware that other planes were hijacked in addition to Flight 11 and Flight 175? Who notified you? What was your course of action as Commander-in-Chief of the United States?

9. Beginning with the transition period between the Clinton ad-ministration and your own, and ending on 9/11/01, specifically what information (either verbal or written) about terrorists, possible attacks and targets, did you receive from any source?
This would include briefings or communications from:
* Out-going Clinton officials
* CIA, FBI, NSA, DoD and other intelligence agencies
* Foreign intelligence, governments, dignitaries or envoys
* National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice
* Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism czar

10. Specifically, what did you learn from the August 6, 2001, PDB about the terrorist threat that was facing our nation? Did you request any follow-up action to take place? Did you request any further report be developed and/or prepared?


11. As Commander-in-Chief, from May 1, 2001 until September 11, 2001, did you receive any information from any intelligence agency official or agent that UBL was planning to attack this nation on its own soil using airplanes as weapons, targeting New York City landmarks during the week of September 11, 2001 or on the actual day of September 11, 2001?

12. What defensive measures did you take in response to pre-9/11 warnings from eleven nations about a terrorist attack, many of which cited an attack in the continental United States? Did you prepare any directives in response to these actions? If so, with what results?

13. As Commander-in-Chief from May 1, 2001 until September 11, 2001, did you or any agent of the U,S, government carry out any negotiations or talks with UBL, an agent of UBL, or al-Qaeda? During that same period, did you or any agent of the U.S. government carry out any negotiations or talks with any foreign government, agents, or officials regarding UBL? If so, what resulted?

14. Your schedule for September 11, 2001 was in the public domain since September 7, 2001. The Emma E. Booker School is only five miles from the Bradenton Airport, so you, and therefore the children in the classroom, might have been a target for the terrorists on 9/11. What was the intention of the Secret Service in allowing you to remain in the Emma E. Booker Elementary School, even though they were aware America was under attack?

15. Please explain why you remained at the Sarasota, Florida, Elementary School for a press conference after you had finished listening to the children read, when as a terrorist target, your presence potentially jeopardized the lives of the children?

16. What was the purpose of the several stops of Air Force One on September 11th? Was Air Force One at any time during the day of September 11th a target of the terrorists? Was Air Force One's code ever breached on September 11th?

17. Was there a reason for Air Force One lifting off without a military escort, even after ample time elapsed to allow military jets to arrive?

18. What prompted your refusal to release the information regarding foreign sponsorship of the terrorists, as illustrated in the inaccessible 28 redacted pages in the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry Report? What actions have you personally taken since 9/11 to thwart foreign sponsorship of terrorism?

19. Who approved the flight of the bin Laden family out of the United States when all commercial flights were grounded, when there was time for only minimal questioning by the FBI, and especially, when two of those same individuals had links to WAMY, a charity suspected of funding terrorism? Why were bin Laden family members granted that special privilege � a privilege not available to American families whose loved ones were killed on 9/11?

20. Please explain why no one in any level of our government has yet been held accountable for the countless failures leading up to and on 9/11?

21. Please comment on the fact that UBL's profile on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives poster does not include the 9/11 attacks. To your knowledge, when was the last time any agent of our government had contact with UBL? If prior to 9/11, specifically what was the date of that contact and what was the context of said meeting.

22. Do you continue to maintain that Saddam Hussein was linked to al Qaeda? What proof do you have of any connection between al-Qaeda and the Hussein regime?

23. Which individuals, governments, agencies, institutions, or groups may have benefited from the attacks of 9/11? Please state specifically how you think they have benefited.

The Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent
Commission – www.911independentcommission.org
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:24 AM
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5. I worry that a Dem in office STILL won't bring them home..what
say you all?
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:58 AM
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6. Other than one, you're completely right.
I almost can't stand to hear about the war.... believe it or not, almost a year later, I'm still in shock that my country could do something that horrible.

It's still unimaginable.

Such a tragic waste.

Kanary
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:06 AM
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13. no!
We are at war. We do not like it, we may not want to accept it, but we must. We are at WAR.

We can't simply pull our troops out and abandon Iraq to a civil war!

We made our mess, we have to clean it up -- as long as that may take.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:27 AM
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15. There's one party that's "cleaning up" in Iraq.
And that's Halliburton.

Iraq is in for a civil war, whether we pull out or not. Our idiot president and his corrupt advisors have ensured that. The only thing we can control is how long they get to keep their filthy hands in the cookie jar.
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:28 AM
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16. Hrm...
I'm not so sure -- there has to be something we can do to try and undo Bush's giant mistake.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:33 AM
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17. Well, maybe you're right.
Internationalizing the effort might be best, but that seems like it'd be a damn hard sell in today's world, with the situation Iraq is currently in.
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neverborn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:35 AM
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18. Not only that..
It'd be a damn hard sell with the countries and UN we just gave the proverbial middle finger to... but I can't accept pulling out and leaving the Iraqis to certain doom -- to the very same thing that we supposedly freed them from. Let our soldiers' deaths not be totally in vain.

I think Bush would be the one to pull out if the going gets tough, not our side...
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:26 AM
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7. I have that fear also...
New name, New face, New Style... Same agenda.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I do hope to be proven wrong.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:10 AM
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8. I am afraid you are correct, so say I n/t
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:20 AM
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9. There's a real chance you're right.
If we assume that Iraq is about oil...and if peak oil is true...then the war in Iraq was merely the first battle in a long cycle of war.

What a waste...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:08 AM
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11. Ill take a chance on a Dem anyway
and then hold his goddamned feet to the fire..
In the meantime, the kids have to come home now.
Theres too much at stake here.
I got the most preposterous email from a man whose nephew was in Iraq as a soldier...he told me he reads the Kerry boards, and then he wanted to assauge my worries that everything would be okay in Iraq and I should be proud of my stepson there and vote for Bu$h who really cares about the troops. I wanted to vomit, but I didnt, I just sent him this
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/13/news-cooper.php
I wont even get into it with these people. Its disgusting, and Im especially alarmed when some people in DU start sounding like they buy this occupation as valid. I am beginning to see all sorts of people justifying this occupation, on the one hand, to deal with their own guilt feelings about allowing Bu$h to get away with this and knowing deep down it was a bloodbath for Nothing, and on the other, not wanting to stare fully in the face of the dead and wounded, because human beings usually want to avoid emotional pain at all costs.
Its so maddening.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:54 PM
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12. I hear you loud and clear Mari. I read
some disturbing stuff about Kerry and his ideals for foreign policy. I will still vote for a dem since the alternative is too abhorrent, but my worries about the soldiers and the Iraqi occupation remain as I stated before.

I'm with you; I will be on our elected officials with all due diligence no matter who wins. I want the needless wars to stop. I'm tired of us sending our youth into battle everytime somebody stubs their toe in some far off land.

We know that the US went into Iraq for commercial and dominion reasons. This is a huge scandal and I cannot fathom why people aren't in the streets protesting this. I was there in the 60's along with millions who chanted no more war. I guess it's "out of sight, out of mind"???? What a shame.
I posted a thread on the Office of Special Plans from the LA weekly. It was a whistleblower who gives testimony on what was going on in that group leading up to Iraq. It is more info than I've heard before and it is a pisser. If you like, I could try to repost it.
Then you can share it with those that "support the war".
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:35 AM
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10. Thank you. n/t
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:20 AM
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14. Where's The Army's Suicide Report?
Where's The Army's Suicide Report?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/022304A.shtml

TruthOut Editor's note: Following the lead story from Newsweek on this page there is another important story revealing that 10% of all hospitalizations resulting from the war in Iraq are mental health related. We encourage you to read down the page so you don't miss both important stories. --sg

  Where's The Army's Suicide Report?
  By T. Trent Gegax
  Newsweek

  Saturday 21 February 2004
Waiting For Answers, Is the Army sandbagging its anticipated 'suicide report'?

  Military members and their families are asking the same question: Where is the Army's so-called suicide report? It's the work of the 12-member Mental Health Advisory Team, commissioned by the top generals in charge of the Iraq war after a string of battlefield suicides. It was initially due out last Thanksgiving. Then it was supposed to be released in early February. Now, there's talk that it's been shelved indefinitely.

  Is the Army deliberately sitting on the report? Perhaps. Or perhaps it's just focusing on other priorities in rebuilding Iraq and preparing to hand back sovereignty to its citizens. No one would argue these aren't massive missions. And, to be sure, the vast majority of soldiers, even those exposed to the most grotesque and horrific combat trauma, may experience only mild post-traumatic stress disorder that requires minor counseling before they bounce back. But evidence suggests that a wave of combat-fatigued soldiers—as many as 20 percent of the 130,000 troops in the field—not seen since the aftermath of the Vietnam War is about to come crashing onto American shores.

  Late last year, publicity about the spate of suicides among U.S. troops in Iraq prompted Gen. John Abizaid and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the top commanders in Iraq, to look for causes. But the report has been complete for months. Yet the colonel in charge of the study can't convince either general to allow him to brief them on the findings, which,
Pentagon sources told NEWSWEEK recently, are not exactly earth-shattering. It says a total of 19 soldiers serving in the Iraq campaign committed suicide in 2003, a number that officials acknowledge is "above average." What's more interesting is what the study ignores. NEWSWEEK has learned that it did not touch on the issue of Lariam, the anti-malaria drug that causes psychotic episodes in a small percentage of people who take it. It had been cited as a potential cause of three prominent murder-suicides at Ft. Bragg, N.C., where soldiers returned from combat in Afghanistan and killed their wives. The Army issued a report dismissing Lariam, but the investigation was cursory and less than conclusive, according to a senior officer at the Army Medical Command in San Antonio, Tex.
..more..
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:02 AM
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19. And 3,100 wounded severely enough to be sent home.
How many more? How many lives must be destroyed or ruined so Bush doesn't have to say "I made a mistake".
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