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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:14 PM
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Nader running for President......I told you so!
Just as I thought was going to happen happened. After Dean bows out Ralph Nader has thrown his hat into the ring. Now the big question is how much of an impact will this have on the election? He does not have the backing of the Green Party. I am beginning to think many Greens have realized that they cannot afford to put a third party candidate this time around. I really do not think he will have any real effect. Too much is at stake.

Just remember though. I told you so.


John
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:15 PM
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1. Dear John
I'd say about 10 thousand other DU'ers knew as well...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:19 PM
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2. Was that a very long nap today?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:19 PM
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3. I agree....
this coming presidential election is just too important and when it comes down to it people will not vote for Nader because a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush!
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:20 PM
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4. The Beatles had a song called "Not a Second Time"
Fool me once-shame on you-fool me twice...

The message isn't going to stick this time. We've already lived under 31/2 years of *. People KNOW the difference.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:20 PM
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5. If the Greens are not backing him, then who is, follow the money!
I seem to recall a meeting between Nader and some repubs sometime back, there was a thread posted on it here. Does anyone remember?
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 09:18 PM
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9. Greens are definately backing away from Nader
Edited on Sun Feb-22-04 09:31 PM by Rebellious Republica
On December 22, Ralph Nader withdrew his name from consideration as a Green Party Presidential candidate.


But he went beyond that: He kissed the Greens goodbye.


And by so doing, he undercut one of the chief rationales for his Presidential run last time around, and he left himself without a coherent rationale for a brewed-about run this time as an independent.


In a letter to the Greens, Nader criticized "the maturity of the Greens as a political party" because it isn't sure of the wisdom of running any Presidential candidate in the face of the Bush onslaught. Nader termed this "a confused retreat."


He blamed the Greens for having "an uncertain compass regarding what should be a bedrock, genetic determination to run Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates all out-which is what, after all, national political parties-as opposed to movements-do."


And he faulted the Greens for not coming to a decision on this question until its convention in June.>
http://www.progressive.org/webex04/wx010404.html


And here is some more interesting reading....

http://naderwatch.blogspot.com/

http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm

http://www.repentantnadervoter.com/


http://www.politics1.com/ind04.htm
Ralph Nader (Connecticut)

Famed consumer advocate, liberal activist and Harvard-educated attorney Ralph Nader is making a fourth Presidential run in 2004. He launched his 2004 Presidential Exploratory Committee in December 2003, and announced his official candidacy in February 2004. Unlike 1996 and 2000, Nader is not seeking the Green nomination in 2004. Instead, he is running as an Independent. For those who are counting, this is run #4: he ran as a write-in candidate in the 1992 NH Democratic primary, and was the Green nominee for President in 1996 and 2000. Spending just over $5,000 (a self-imposed limit) in 1996, the curmudgeonly Nader was on the ballot in 22 states and carried over 700,000 votes (4th place - 0.8%). In 2000, Nader raised millions of dollars, mobilized leftist activists and grabbed national headlines with his anti-corporate campaign message. Nader ignored pleas from liberal Democrats that he abandon the race because he was siphoning essential votes away from Al Gore's campaign -- answering that Gore was not substantially different than Bush, and that his own campaign was about building a permanent third party. In the end, Nader was on the ballot in 44 states and finished third with 2,878,000 votes (2.7%) -- seemingly depriving Gore of wins in some key states (conservative Reform Party nominee Pat Buchanan, but contrast, intentionally declined to campaign in any states that were close so as to not hurt Bush's chances in those key states). More significantly, Nader missed the important 5% mark for the national vote, meaning that the party will still be ineligible for federal matching funds in 2004. As for the after-effects of 2000, Nader still maintains he did not cause Gore to lose because he believes most of his own voters were people who not have bothered to vote at all but for his candidacy -- although he is clearly still upset that many Democrats who previously donated to his various liberal public interest groups cut off their donations in retaliation for Nader's 2000 campaign. Nader extended an olive branch -- of sorts to the Dems -- in a 2003 news interview: If the Dems agree not to go negative on his Presidential campaign, Nader promises to encourage all the voters who show up to vote for him to also vote for Dems for Congress and all the other down-ballot offices to help them recapture majority status in those legislative bodies. Nader, who will be 70 in 2004, is a lifelong bachelor, a former Army reservist, and a multi-millionaire (through investments). As in 2000, Nader vows that his latest campaign will again "emphasize the problems of, and remedies for, the excessive concentration of corporate power and wealth in our country, by highlighting the important tools of democracy needed for the American people as voters/citizens, workers, consumers, taxpayers, and small savers/investors." Nader was the heavy favorite to win the 2004 Green nomination -- until he withdrew from that contest. By forgoing the Green option in favor of an Independent run, Nader will have to secure his own ballot status -- as he cannot use any of the spots of helped the Greens qualify for through his last run. Also, many of his prominent 2000 supporters -- including folks like filmmaker Michael Moore and The Nation magazine -- called on Nader to get out of the 2004 race and make it clear that will not support him again. The Nation argued that the 2004 run will turn progressives sharply against Nader and expel him from their ranks. An unapologetic Nader, in response, attacked them as cowardly members of the "liberal intelligensia." Look for liberals who have been traditional donors to the various Nader organizations cut off their dollars to all of those groups in an effort to punish Nader. Other additional links include Draft Nader 2004 ("authorized" Nader draft Green campaign), Democracy Rising (Nader's political organization), Crashing the Party (Nader's book site), The Nader Page (official clearinghouse of articles), Public Citizen (Nader organization), Center for Study of Responsive Law (Nader organization), Essential Information (Nader organization), Citizen Works (Nader organization), Taxpayer Assets Project (Nader organization), Aviation Consumer Action Project (Nader organization), Congressional Accountability Project (Nader organization), Nader Watch (Grassroots Supporters - Unauthorized), Nader Watch Blog (negative), Ralph Dont' Run (negative), Repentant Nader Voter (negative), Damned Big Difference (negative) and Ralph Nader's Skeleton Closet (negative).


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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:24 PM
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6. Hmmm.
Are you sure you want to reveal your precognitive powers online like this? Don't you realize that Project Capture Precogs probably is speeding your home right now? Project Capture Precogs was created and named by President Bush after seeing Minority Report. Now that he knows of your ability to see the future, he'll want to capture you and throw you in a pool of goop to see if he can predict the future.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:27 PM
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7. The suprise would have
been if he hadn't run. I knew that his big fat ego would never allow him to do anything other than run. :argh:
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 08:32 PM
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8. Whoopie.
You and most of the rest of the world knew he was going to run.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:44 PM
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12. you Democrats?!
That pretty much says it all.


Last time I checked it was all of us Democrats who got rid of the easily beatable Dean and put in the Bush nightmare called Kerry. We the people mofo.
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