Did YOU know that Nader was a schoolchum of Donald Rumsfeld at Princeton?

[seventhson]

Princeton, perhaps even more so than Yale and Skull and Bones, has been for fifty years the main locus of the spook intelligence community brain trust.

Allen Dulles (A Princtonian) - after he was fired from the CIA by JFK and then went on to convince his fellow Warren Commission members that Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT working for him in the CIA - operated as a "CIA Consultant" chairing and participating in clandestine think-tanks and intelligence estimate operations at Princeton.

Spooks are recruited out of Princeton (See "A Beautiful Mind" for example) via, inter alia the tea or supper clubs which mirror and even share some administrative supervision networks with Skull and Bones and Harvard's spook clubs.

Nader was a schoolmate with Donald Rumsfeld AND Frank Carlucci and even brags about his chum Rummy on the stump.

Nader is the consummate insider with corporate investments bigger than even Gore.

Frankly, I agree with Nader's asserted assessment of Dems being sold out to corporations a la the DLC/PNAC Dems.

But I think his Dems are no better than repubs is blatant blackops disinformation.

This is what I do. I look for the dirty spook connections.

Did YOU know that he was chums and schoolmates with Rumsfeld and Carlucci at Princeton. Did you know that Princeton is a spook headquarters?

[boobooday]

1. Public Schools!

God bless our public schools. Can't we please, please, for once get a president/candidate who went to public schools and universities?

http://www.wgoeshome.com

Vote Kucinich.

[seventhson]

5. Edwards was a Public School kid too!

I love his football photos and saw some pictures with his African-American teammates. He is a homeboy and that is alright with me.

Kerry went to St Paul's Episcopal Prep School and was a classmate and hockey teammate with FBI Chief and coverup artist Robert Mueller.

I agree that the preppy Ivy League back needs to be broken

Edwards/Dean 2004!!!

[MurikanDemocrat]

2. LOL! I read this whole thing before I saw your handle.

[JackRiddler]

3. If you want to do such things you need to source or

specify. No doubt they were at Princeton simultaneously, though you should cite the source. And? Evidence they were chummy? Where are Nader's quotes about it? Does he really brag about it as though he thinks they're great guys? Etc.

[seventhson]

6. Nader on Rumsfeld Quote: "Rumsfeld knows what the score is"

http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=560

Excerpt:

ON MEDIA POST 9-11
Rumsfeld knows what the score is; I was at Princeton with him. Rumsfeld said the other day we’re not using our tax dollars wisely, referring to the military budget. You think any reporter would say, "Whoa! You want to answer a few follow-up questions, Secretary Rums-feld?" No, it’s like water off a duck’s back. It’s unbelievable.
You know how it is when you try to talk after September 11 about the causes ? "Don’t talk about causes. Just go after them." Right? Well, about a month ago, six weeks ago, Rumsfeld and Colin Powell independently said that poverty, destitution, illiteracy, disease, and dictatorships in these countries provide a fertile breeding ground–that’s the way they put it–to tolerate this kind of terrorism. Do you think the Washington press corps would say, "Whoa! Can we have a press conference on this?"

You watch the media in Washington since September 11 and you really understand what state-controlled television was all about in the Soviet Union. You really understand what Pravda was all about in the Soviet Union when you watch Brit Hume and all these guys, the hawks. They say things like, "Only three aircraft carriers, Mr. Secretary?" Questions like that. Fox News is now state-controlled television. It’s performance. The worst hawks in Washington and New York, in the press and in the government–Cheney, Wolfowitz, Krauthammer, Brit Hume, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Lieberman, on and on–have one thing in common: They’ve never worn a uniform. It’s really quite interesting. If there’s any note of caution, it’s by guys who were in real wars. They happen to think it’s messy."


NOTICE THAT RALPH FAILS TO MENTION BUSH OR RUMSFELD IN THIS LIST!

[IkeWarnedUs]

11. How about Nader's support for Rumsfeld, in his own words

Time for Our Leaders to Act
By Ralph Nader, Washington, DC 3/8/02

Two leaders—one the Secretary of Defense and the other the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce —need to put their fortitude behind their recent acknowledgments of major problems in their domains.

Donald Rumsfeld, who was a class ahead of me at Princeton and vibrating with energy even then, has been reported in the press to have said that "we are not spending our tax dollars wisely." He was referring to the military budget. Official studies, reports and public hearings over the past 35 years have documented the huge waste in the Pentagon, driven by bureaucracy, inter-service rivalries and, above all, the outside corporate military weapons industry that places its executives in high positions at the Defense Department as a matter of bipartisan routine.

In addition to mounds of studies that could reach part way to the moon, the mainstream media has reported ad infinitum on waste, fraud and redundancy costing hundreds of billions of defense dollars. Almost no enduring changes or reforms have occurred as a result. It takes someone in charge, with high public acclaim, to get matters of structural frugality and efficiency under way. That man is Rumsfeld.

more: http://www.thevoicenews.com/News/2002/0308/Front_Page/005.html

[seventhson]

13. Thanks for posting that. I looked for that Nader quote praising Rumsfeld

which I had seen before, but I could not find it easily.

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.

Remember that Frank "Killer" Carlucci (of Carlyle and the CIA and the Lumumba assassination in Africa) was there too at the same time and was on the Princeton wrestling team with Rummie.

These kinds of "social" ties (the elitist sociopolitical networks)are the primary machine fueling the demise of American democracy and which run our intelligence apparatus (often from outside the agencies as "consultants" and special intelligence analysts).

Ignore it or ridicule it at your peril.

Especially now.

Was Nader recruited as a spook at Princeton? I believe he was. It explains damn near everything about him.

Such recruitment is very common in the Ivy Leagues.

Can we believe such a thing about Nader?

I can easily.

[IkeWarnedUs]

14. An excellent example of what you describe

There is a group called Business Executives for National Security (http://bens.org/). Their website talks extensively about one of their proposals, Tooth to Tail, which advocates privatization of our military. On their website they specifically suggest starting with things like payroll in order to "overcome objections" and then move on to things like inventory control and training.

Frank Carlucci, the Carlyle Group chairman and managing director, is a senior advisor on the Tooth to Tail project. Judicial Watch's website has copies of letters between Mr. Carlucci and Donald Rumsfield (on Carlyle Group and US Secretary of Defense stationery) discussing what a good idea the Tooth to Tail project is.

For those of you who don't know, Carlyle is an investment group that is a private Washington equity firm that according to The New York Times has essentially become the nation's 11th largest defense contractor. It is run by a veritable who's who of former Republican political leaders. Among its investors was the binLadden family. I say was because they sold their shares right after 9/11.

On September 10, 2001 Rumsfeld gave an address to the Pentagon where he used the term "Tail to Tooth" 7 times, including in the form of an e-mail address created for comments and suggestions. He never mentions BENS, but in his speech he lays out the BENS spin on privatization - and that phrase, "Tail to Tooth" is no coincidence.
(Link to Rumsfeld's 9/10/01 address to the Pentagon: http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2001/s20010910-secdef.html)

One hand washes the other and our country goes down the drain.

Carlucci and Rumsfeld letters

[seventhson]

15. Excellent piece of information

Private military working for Corporations?

Thanks Ralph! That schoolmate of yours sure can be counted on the "clean up" the military. But Rummy and his coproater friends will clean up for sure.

[DennisReveni]

42. Again, say what?

Explain how attacking Rumsfeld for correctly defining the problem would benefit anyone?
"Two leaders—one the Secretary of Defense and the other the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce —need to put their fortitude behind their recent acknowledgments of major problems in their domains."

Nader explicitly states that they both should be supporting their claims and acting to change the real root causes of terrorism.

[DennisReveni]

41. Say what?

His point was that Rumsfeld and Powell nailed the ROOT problems.
"You know how it is when you try to talk after September 11 about the causes ? "Don’t talk about causes. Just go after them." Right? Well, about a month ago, six weeks ago, Rumsfeld and Colin Powell independently said that poverty, destitution, illiteracy, disease, and dictatorships in these countries provide a fertile breeding ground–that’s the way they put it–to tolerate this kind of terrorism. Do you think the Washington press corps would say, "Whoa! Can we have a press conference on this?""

So he should be attacking both when they are RIGHT?
This is knee jerk liberalism at it's worst.

[buckeye1]

4. Did you know?

This post is pathetic and boring.

[seventhson]

7. So is Nader.

It is the subtle propoganda and disinformation that bothers me.

"No difference between the Dems and the Repugs"

Thanks Ralph. Thanks for Bush. Thanksd for the War. Thanks for the death and destruction of the environment under the Bush you helped steal the presidency.

Thanks for nothing.

[shooga]

10. Rummy and Ralph??

I wonder who was "the Butch" and who was "the Femme"??

Ralph's Con:
ANY NON-BUSH VOTES THAT CREEP INTO NADER OR GREEN WILL DILUTE THE ABB MOVEMENT (ANYBODY BUT BUSH) ... HE THINKS WE ARE STUPID .... HIS CON IS TO BASH BUSH ... THINKING HE WILL GET SOME OF OUR VOTES ... IT'S A CON GAME.

HE WILL NOT PULL OVER ANY BUSH VOTES ... IF HE BASHES BUSH ... THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM .... BUT IF HE CONTINUES TO BASH BUSH, HE WILL PULL SOME DEM OR UNDECIDEDS.




http://www.explorenader04.org

http://www.ralphdontrun.net

[Ardee]

8. so lets do the math

four years at Princeton means that every graduating class for those four years contains those unfit to run for office, or are in some pathological way unfit to speak out.Simply touching Donald Rumsfeld somehow taints one forever...my goodness, if we include all the Bush administration figure and factor in the graduating classes at their respective schools, and the graduate school members as well we can eliminate thousands, hell tens of thousands ,more likely, from consideration....what a world you reside in, much like an R.Crumb cartoon I suspect.

[seventhson]

12. No, Man, You know the Spooks by what they do

and by what they say. But spooks do not usually say what they believe. They say whatever furthers the agenda of the BFEE.

That is why you cannot trust Nader IMHO.

Spooks usually act like exactly what they are NOT.

Ever see "A Quiet American"?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. William Colby ...Princeton and his son Jonathan Edgar Colby is in the

Carlyle Group...all Princetonians

[seventhson]

16. There ya go!

It really is simple once you get the hang of it.

[mobuto]

36. Paul Sarbanes went to Princeton too!

Woodrow Wilson was the President of Princeton!

And Grover Cleveland died in Princeton!

Am I the only one seeing a pattern here? Bwahaha

[seventhson]

17. Anyone else care to weigh in?

Lunchtime kick

[htuttle]

18. Do you have a picture of them shaking hands?

:shrug:

[Emperor_Norton_II]

19. Of course not - that'd be too easy

Besides, it takes all the fun out of 7th's games if there happens to be actual direct, linking evidence.

Much more interesting to ramble on about how Princeton spooks rule the world and Nader's connection to it.

Hey! I just had a thought! Grover's Mill is near Princeton. Maybe Nader was one of the Martians.

Or worse, what if he and Rummy are Lectroids!?

20. did you know that McGeorge Bundy and David Dellinger were classmates

at Yale and knew each other?
just to remind people who Bundy was

http://www.nv.cc.va.us/home/nvsageh/Hist277/DanielFiles/McGeorge.html

McGeorge Bundy left his tenure at Harvard to join Kennedy's team in 1961, as one of the "best and the brightest." For eight years he was the national security adviser to Kennedy and Johnson. McGeorge Bundy was, with Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, one of the Administration officials that pressed for a bombing halt and a rethinking of the U.S. strategy in late 1965.

Bundy was a member of the committee of "wise men" that in 1968 recommended a full withdrawal of U.S. forces from Vietnam.

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/12-12-03/discussion.cgi.4.html

Among the leading members of the "Stimson Kindergarten" were:

* John J. McCloy, who was Assistant Secretary of War and later served as the High Commissioner for Germany during the postwar occupation.
* Robert Lovett, a member of Skull & Bones and a partner in the Order's preeminent Wall Street investment house Brown Brothers Harriman. He became Stimson's Assistant Secretary of War (Air Section). Lovett remained an influential policymaker through the presidency of John F. Kennedy.
* Harvey Bundy, another Bonesman, who became Stimson's special assistant at the War Department. Harvey Bundy's two sons, McGeorge and William, fresh out of Yale University and Skull & Bones, joined their father on Stimson's personal staff. McGeorge Bundy would co-author Stimson's memoirs In Active Service in Peace and War.
* Dean Acheson, Assistant Secretary of State, Yale graduate (he was not a member of the Order, but, rather, of one of the other Yale secret societies, Scroll Key) and senior policy adviser to FDR and Truman, who ultimately made him Secretary of State.
* Gen. George C. Marshall, Chief of Staff

However

http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/master_bonesman.html
In his capacity as president of the Ford Foundation, Bundy helped finance the anti-Vietnam War movement. The National Student Mobilization Committee, the umbrella group for the entire New Left of the late 1960s and early 1970s, was led by David Dellinger, a Yale graduate. Episcopal Church activist William Sloan Coffin, a Bonesman, a second leading figure in the anti-war protest movement, had previously served as a CIA officer.

Thus, the Order had its hands in two critical elements of the policy debacle of the second half of the 1960s. Some leading Bonesmen helped shape the disastrous limited war strategy in Vietnam, while other members of the Order, at least tacitly, contributed to the growth of the drug-rock-sex counterculture by nourishing the New Left soil from which it sprang.




& Dellinger was one of the Chicago Seven.

Did you know that Timothy Leary and G. Gordon Liddy shared a prison cell together per their request?

proximity doesn't prove much

[seventhson]

23. Bundy gave me my first beer when I was 14.

at his home in Boston.

I knew his kids.

Bundy also participated in reversing JFK's order to begin withdrawing troops from Vietnam days after JFK was murdered.

The fact that he was funing the "opposition" kind of proves my point about the coopting of the left by the corporfascists.

Bundy was nice to me. But he was hell on a lot of American kids and the Vietnamese.

Who knows what Coffin's game was? Or Dellinger's?

It is beside the point.

People on the "left" get financed by players on the right all the time and pretend they do not.

Ford backed Hitler to the hilt and had the Protocols of Zion fraud published.

And the Rockefeller's give Billions to charity and the arts.

But they kill innocents too.

[Exultant Democracy]

21. You lost me when you called the dinner clubs supper clubs

Just so that you can learn a thing or two let me tell you a few things. The Dinner Clubs are nothing like secret societies, each club is huge. In fact many clubs have members from multiple groups that all are members. Like "Cap and Gown" will have most of the members of the track team, and then all of the members of one fraternity, all of the members of one sorority and the debate club, along with a lot of other random people.

The fact that such terrible research is used in making this argument should be a sign that perhaps it isn't a truly cogent argument.

[seventhson]

22. A Primer on the "Societies" at Princeton, Yale and Harvard

Call them what you will - they function to get the elites together for sociopolitical networking. And spook recruiting.

The Spooks at Princeton are infamous and Princeton was founded by a Bonesman.

By their very nature they do not reveal much about themselves except what they want folks to know (or fear).

I believe Princeton officially banned any such secret socieites and the clubs described herein (not all but some) serve a similar function - especially when the members are Intel operatives.

http://www.thecrimson.com/fmarchives/fm_03_18_1999/article6A.html

Do ANY search on Princeton and the spooks and you will see what I mean.

No there is no OVERT connection that I can prove about Nader. I am stating what I believe may be the case.

But Nader's seeming adulation of Rummy is awfully curious IMHO.

Of course if Nader were a long term agent there would be few overt indicators.

PS I use dinner and supper pretty much interchangeably. The NAME is not as significant as the fact they exist and are consuits for entry and recruitment into the spooky world of covert ops.

[Exultant Democracy]

26. Good lord

This is almost laughable. The entire function of these schools is to gather the most elites students. Obviously we don't just sit in our rooms, we meet people. When a school is full of people who are either well connected, super smart, and usually both it isn't a big surprise that many of the schools students end up in positions of power.

As for your comment that is doesn't matter if you know what these clubs are called but you know what they do? I find that to be a scary type of ignorance. If some one points out that you don't even know enough about the clubs to know their names, you should not consider yourself informed enough to make accusations against them.

As for your obsession with "spooks" where do you want out intelligence community to recruit, the local tech school? I am sure that there are many people that attend tech schools that would make fine agents, but I think that it is safe to assume that it is easier and quicker to find people in a place where they have already been rigorously screened already.

Lastly the only groups on campus that have political aims are the college republicans and the college democrats. The fraternal organizations are far to focused on drinking an trying to get laid to worry about taking over the world. Trust me, right now a future, senator/president/supreme court justice, is puking somewhere, even though he/she has a midterm tomorrow.

[mobuto]

40. Of course they function to get "elites" together

You go to any selective college or university and one of the advantages is the fact that your classmates are ambitious people who will generally go places. You befriend them, they befriend you, and you help one another. That's neither wrong nor newsworthy.

The Spooks at Princeton are infamous and Princeton was founded by a Bonesman.


I know literally dozens of people who have gone to Princeton, and one thing they all describe is the practice of human sacrifice carried out on the eve of the Harvard game. I tell you they're evil!

[Zinfandel]

24. I've had "chums" in college that were republican's, but I was and

always will be a very liberal Democrat...no fucking moderate here or allowed!!!

[seventhson]

25. The secret societies were secret

I still have republican friends (most of them hate Bush now, though)

But did you have spooky future world fascists as friends and do you speak highly of them now?

I do not like them, Sam I Am

I do not like them here or there.

I do not like them anywhere.



(I need some Zinfandel right now)

[sattahipdeep]

27. Krongard (A Princtonian)

http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16570-2001Mar16.html
But Krongard exhibited the requisite secretiveness when asked
to explain his interest in intelligence and how he came to land
a job in Tenet's inner circle. If you go back to the CIA's origins
during World War II in the Office of Strategic Services, he
explained, "the whole OSS was really nothing but Wall Street
bankers and lawyers."
__________________________________________________

The role of Krongard & Bremer....

When asked about the status of the investigation into
the disproportionate pre-attack stock option trades
involving United and American Airlines, Merrill Lynch,
Marsh and McLennan Insurance, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup,
Bear Stearns, and American Express, etc. -- all icons
of American capitalism -- NYSE Communications Director
Ray Pellecchia said, "We don't even confirm that there
is an ongoing investigation."

Prior to being in Iraq, Bremer was Chairman and Chief
Executive Officer of Marsh Crisis Consulting Company, a crisis
management firm owned by the financial services firm Marsh &
McLennan. From 1989 to 2000, he was Managing Director of
Kissinger Associates, a strategic consulting firm headed by former
Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger.

Krongard's current lofty intelligence community position,
combined with his prior leadership of a financial institution
allegedly connected to terrorist hijacker bank accounts, suspicious
UAL options contracts, and "private banking" is so controversial that
it has not as yet sparked any official investigation.

That said, the evidence is substantial enough to potentially
expose the prior-knowledge issue -- if Congress chooses to act.

And while Treasury Department official Rob Nichols agreed that
unresolved conflict of interest questions remain, the CIA Executive
Director is still currently charged with supervision of the U.S.
intelligence investigation of his former firm and its
"private banking" operations.



Since the Sept. 11 attacks, Krongard has traveled to Afghanistan, hiding
his facial features behind a beard. After the war in Iraq broke out in
March, he went to Baghdad to see firsthand how events were unfolding.
While inside a palace that belonged to the deposed Saddam Hussein,
Krongard had a snapshot taken of him sitting on a palace throne.

It’s a lot of mumbo-jumbo
Alexandra Robbins, author of Secrets of the Tomb
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

[sattahipdeep]

28. You can't see the eyes of the demon, until him come callin'.

Bankers Funded Enron AlQuada and US CIA Coup Efforts and Corp. Death Squads.

[mobuto]

29. Hey - Krongard gave me a lot of money

Buzzy Krongard underwrote this huge damn merit scholarship I won years ago. I don't care if he eats babies, he's golden in my book.

[DennisReveni]

44. Check this out

"Buzzy Krongard underwrote this huge damn merit scholarship I won years ago. I don't care if he eats babies, he's golden in my book."

http://www.kellysite.net/modrep.html
Clinton: A Moderate Republican
The Wall Street Journal agreed. From the November 7, 1996 issue:



"We have a great Republican president now."

A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard
Chairman of the Securities Industry
Association and head of Alex Brown, Inc.

[mobuto]

45. So?

I'm not saying I agree with Krongard on a single policy issue. I'm saying I'm more or less forced to like him because he gave me the equivalent of about $20,000 totally unsolicited, and that's good enough for me. I'm easily bought.

I'm not sure how he ever heard of me - I didn't even get in to Princeton.

[mobuto]

30. How about Harvard? The CONSPIRACY IS ON!

Seventhson, a reliable source tells me that lots of really influential and powerful people have gone to Harvard University, in Cambridge Massachusetts.

Some of them were even there at the same time!!!

And Columbia? Stanford? Just two more cabals where the demon-worshipping use their influence to help one another reach positions of prominence.

I demand an investigation!

[salin]

31. let me just say

I heard that those dining clubs at Stanford (the ones that folks join to get cheaper eating plans)... are really spooky.... :eyes:

Here is an interesting item... there is a big flow through to the CIA from the local U here ... has been for years... b/c - connections through the Russian Studies program. Thing is - this isn't even an ivy or elite university... and folks enroll in that program in broad daylight with no secret society... and folks around the U, and around the town - know of the connection. Oh my...

Oh wait... I forgot to add... b/c I did grad work at one of these institutions... and... worse yet... was a member of a *gasp* sorrority at my undergrad U... do I get to look forward to a thread about me and my shadowy connections? Yipee!

[mobuto]

34. No surprise there

Lots of graduate schools have received funding from the CIA - maybe the best example I can think of, and not one at a terribly prestigious school, is the School of International Relations at American University (Wash, DC) which is for all intents and purposes a wholly owned subsidiary of the CIA.

So what?

Oh wait... I forgot to add... b/c I did grad work at one of these institutions... and... worse yet... was a member of a *gasp* sorrority at my undergrad U...

Will you please ask the Communists to stop fluoridating our drinking water then? :-)

[salin]

38. hehe

sure... and i'll pass word on to the trilateral commission to ask the black helicopters to stop flying so low at night and disturbing folks sleep... ;-)

[liberalitch]

32. what a tangled web....

we weave!

[DennisReveni]

33. And

And Clinton studied under Carroll Quigley.
http://www.darkconspiracy.com/conspiracies/nwo/carr.txt

[tobius]

35. did you know that jeffrey dahmer and john kerry

both served in the military?

[mobuto]

37. Osama bin Laden and Bill Clinton --

neither of them has ever set foot in the tiny island nation of Vanuatu.

Coincidence?

You decide.

[salin]

39. Condi... and Nancy Pelosi

both lived in the Bay Area... at.the.same.time. .... everyone should know this...

[DennisReveni]

43. Better yet

Did you know that Ted Bundy was killing people while working for the RNC?
Bartcop pointed that out a couple of years ago.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

46. OK if you want to start conspiracy theories on the opposition party

I'll let you have your fun :D

[noiretextatique]

47. we both we to a claremont college, nsma

we must be evil too :scared:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

48. Yeah...Harvey Pitt-land!

Hehe!

And I once had dinner with several members of my state Republican legislature.

[noiretextatique]

49. you are evil

:scared: :hi: