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DevinDNC Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:10 AM
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Saxby Chambliss makes a desperate attempt to save Bush from humilliation.
In a desperate attempt to cover up for his President's despicable cowardice during the Vietnam war, Senator Saxby Chambliss has tried to divert attention by attacking John Kerry on his voting record. Apparently Chambliss is stupid enough to think that Americans are going to believe that a decorated Vietnam veteran is "soft on defense". Unfortunately for Bush "butt boy" Chgambliss, the facts are quite different. Kerry has done FAR more to protect America then a little punk like Chambliss or his Girlfriend George Bush, ever have. America knows this, and that is why in all the polls...Kerry is "Bitch Slapping" Bush.
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waterman Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:19 AM
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1. Nice post. Yep the desparation is quite obvious
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:22 AM
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2. It Worked for Him in Georgia
Apparently Chambliss is stupid enough to think that Americans are going to believe that a decorated Vietnam veteran is "soft on defense". Georgians fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Why shouldn't the rest of the country? I'm just about ready to get out and let the right wing have its reich.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:30 AM
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4. wrong-O Wrongity wrong wrong wrong
There was voter fraud in Georgia causing that loss. There was a report out about it just the other day. Perhaps someone can post the URL.

Don't give up. It's just getting good.


Cher
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 12:24 PM
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14. And the other thing is...
Chambliss, loathsome as he is, wasn't responsible for starting a war of his very own. No one would've brought this up if Bush weren't so gung-ho to send other peoples' kids to die.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:31 AM
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6. Chambliss won b/c of BBV.
He stole the election.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:22 AM
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3. Here's why 'anti-military votes' attacks won't work against JK...
unless we let them:

Those particular votes were against funding huge military contracts to build antiquated tanks, etc. during peacetime (after the collapse of the Soviet Union). Evidently, America has forgotten those years of peace and prosperity.

Just like the BFEE STILL claims that Saddam 'gassed his own people' without adding the crucial date (1988), they will try to paint JK as voting against the military without including the dates and circumstances.

As for the recent JK vote against the ADDITIONAL $87 billion requested, only $20 billion was earmarked for actual military spending.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:30 AM
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5. I do think it would help Kerry if he would point out
the anti-terrorism funding and laws that he supported under Clinton. The prevention of 9/11 is the issue, not the ill-advised Iraq adventure.
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NewEnglander Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:39 AM
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7. Why slap back?
Kerry's voting record is non-disputable. It's public record.
He can't hide from it, he can't defend it cause he'll look wishy-washy.

To get defensive and emotional about this only shines more light on the subject and makes the public believe there is more there than there really is.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 10:49 AM
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8. Senator Kerry is not in the least bit defensive about his record
In fact I would venture a guess that he is Quite Proud of every single vote he has cast and every single investigation he has launched. Senator Kerry, unlike most Senators didn't spend his time in the Senate trying to make law and get his face on the evening news. He spent most of his time trying to get to the bottom of things like Iran-Contra, MIAs, the Cocaine connection between the CIA and Central and South America and inner cities. Senator Kerry has been a champion for justice his entire time in government. His record is Very Strong He is a man of principle and that is apparent in his anti-war stance and his whole legislative history. So come on down all you GOP Chicken Hawks and "Bring It On" We have something to say and compare.
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NewEnglander Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:04 AM
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9. Didn't say not strong.
If this turns into a voting record battle, Kerry will lose areas who are very pro-military and pro-defence, just like Max lost Georgia.

Kerry has a history of voting one way, then not supporting what he voted for later. That will hurt him.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:22 AM
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11. Kerry is asking them to Bring it on and I hope they do.
By the way your sig line should be the GOP motto. They don't have a grasp of the truth either. If you believe truth is only opinion then you would be quite at home in the GOP.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:12 AM
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10. I personally would love it
if Kerry brought up Iran-Contra. Think of the fun that would be. Many of the same players are still in buscho.
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NewEnglander Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 11:27 AM
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12. Don't think it would help.
It's funny, the deflections, accusations and spin our politicians have stooped to.

- Dems attacking Dubyas ANG duty. He served at least 5 yrs and flew fighter jets. So he got out early, who cares. Is there some questions about it? Maybe, but that was 30 years ago. He stood on the wall for me then and gets my respect.

I have questions about Kerry's 3 months in country and getting all those 'minor' injuries and medals in an area not known for heavy combat. But you know what,,,that was 30+ years ago. He stood on the wall for me then and gets my respect.

- Reps attacking Kerry's voting record. So what? It is what it is, he did it, he either stands by it or he doesn't. The best would be for him to stand up and say "Yes, I voted that way. What's your point?"

What is best for this country? To stick our noses in the past and point fingers at one another? NO!!!

I'm looking for a candidate that will:
- Promote economic stimulas but NOT raise taxes.
- Get us out of Iraq, without leaving it in turmoil.
- Not give up our soverignty to the UN.
- Continue the fight on terrorism until the threat is gone
- Fight for our individual freedoms and liberty
- Stick to thier guns. Mean what they say, do what they say they're going to do and stand by those decisions.

So far,,,,I haven't found that candidate yet.



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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 12:03 PM
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13. It is about Character
Edited on Sun Feb-22-04 12:05 PM by Toots
Bush* swore he would fulfill his commitment to his country. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent in training him and he just Quit That goes to show Character. He started Arbusto then Quit, Harken and Quit Goes to show Character. If all it takes to impress you is a phony photo-op at the Vietnam Memorial then I'm sorry for your lack of interest in America. Senator Kerry served more than one tour in Vietnam not just three months as you incorrectly have stated. I am sure that you have never served by your wording that where Senator Kerry was in Vietnam was not close to Combat. Are you Ann Coulter in disguise? At least get your facts right and then come back to boost your boy if you believe it is possible to do so. I have seen nothing Bush* has done either in his younger days or as the current head of our country that has been honorable or worth while in any manner.
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NewEnglander Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 01:04 PM
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18. Yes I served
Sorry Toots, but your assumptions about me are very incorrect. Every male member of my family since 1776 as served in this country's armed services. I served 10 years myself. I've been under fire, hit twice. I stood on the wall for you.

I never said Bush was my boy either. Your words, your assumption.

Kerry only served 3 months in Vietnam. The area he was in was not know as a hot spot. Little action was seen there. He requested to go home after receiving 3 purple hearts, which was a legitimate request. He went on to become an Admirals aide and then requested an early discharge which he received.

I suggest you check your facts.

As for 'character', I'm sure there are negative things we could dig up on all the candidates. No politician is squeaky clean. I'm looking for the candidate that has the best plan for our country and will do what they say.




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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 12:30 PM
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15. "He stood on the wall for me then and gets my respect." Eh?
Like Humpty Dumpty? What do you mean, "stood on the wall"? You mean, all during '72, he was standing on a wall? I guess that's one explanation for the missing months.

Oh, and, um, the reason we're bringing up these past issues is because Mr. "I Did the Bare Minimum To Scrape By (If That) In My Cushy National Guard Position Which Kept Me Safe From Getting My Precious Bodily Fluids Harmed" is particularly loathsome in his hypocrisy. Send other peoples' kids off to die when you weren't willing to do it yourself, *for a war which wasn't necessary*: not good.

Welcome to DU.
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NewEnglander Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 01:16 PM
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19. Thanks
Stood on the Wall is an expression meaning you served in the Armed Forces of our country. Whether you were a front line soldier, a cook, a pilot or an engineer. You served and were a target or at risk.

As for the details of how long he served how he got out etc, to me that was 30+ years ago. Bush did serve for 5 yrs,,,so how he got out doesn't matter to me. Same with Kerry, he was only there 3 months, but he served.

There were a lot of men (boys really), who used the system to thier advantage to avoid going to Vietnam or find safer duty. I don't fault them. Bill Clinton was one of them. I personally find him loathsome and slimey, but he was a better choice than Bush 1 or Dole. John F Kennedy had a lot of character flaws, but would you have rather had Nixon in office during the Cuban missile crisis?



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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 12:32 PM
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16. Said Max Cleland today:
"For Saxby Chambliss, who got out of going to Vietnam because of a trick knee, to attack John Kerry as weak on the defense of our nation is like a mackerel in the moonlight that both shines and stinks."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 12:45 PM
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17. I have no respect for Chambliss...
he is a Chickenhawk, with no military experience himself; so why should he even attempt to cover bush's butt?

He stole the election from under Max, with one of the dirtiest campaigns ever. The attacks on Cleland were horrid and completely false, they continue today with Coulter's blathering.

Remember Bob Kerrey? They tried to beat him into the ground w/allegations of war crimes in VN. Here is a man, who lost a leg, earned the MOH, and they were terrified of him, so they attacked him.
Kerrey, to his credit, showed the country that he was indeed the dignified individual he is, and gave valid explanations for what happened. Not so, bush, Chambliss, Cheney, Rove or the rest of that snake pit in the WH.

Chambliss is a piece of crap, and the good people of GA know this. It is merely a matter of time before he gets his due. Perhaps the people of GA will demand he be removed from the Senate.

The GOP has started the attack, now we can return in force. Expose their lies, and force their hand; I believe we will crush the cabal. It will take effort, but everything seems to be on our side.

O8)
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