Update: they sent our kid to Baghdad

[Mari333]

Hes an MP in the 428th Reserves.
we just found out. The nightmare begins anew.

[eleny]

1. I'm going to keep your son and your family

in my thoughts each and every day, Mari. It's my promise. You'll never be alone.

[Nashyra]

18. Mari333

My heart goes out to you. Not knowing what your faith is nor is it any of my business I would like you to know that your son will be in my families prayers everynite. If you would like to share your sons name with me I can add it to a list that some friends and I have that we include in our own personal prayers(We are not an organized religious group) We were football moms who have stuck together in friendship and every once in awhile one of us has someone we know in crisis. I will work even harder to help get our boys and girls home safe by staying vocal about this illegal war. As moms your nightmare is our greatest fear. Like eleny said you will never be alone, many of us will always be here for you whether here at DU or PM.

[Richardo]

2. You, your son, and the whole Mari333 family is in our thoughts...

Wishing you peace, strength and the safe, speedy return of your son. :(

[boobooday]

3. We must focus on getting him back ASAP

The sooner we get Bush out of office -- impeach the bastard!! He LIED and LIED! The sooner we can get our young men and women home, and quiet the fears of everyone in the world of what the psychopaths in the Bush administration are plotting next, the better, and the safer we will all be.

Thinking of you and your son.

Jeanette

[leftchick]

4. I will say a special prayer for him at mass tomorrow....

And every Sunday until our all of our soldiers are home. Stay strong Mari.

[barbaraann]

5. I'm so sorry.

All I can say is I'm going to do everything I can to defeat the evil monsters that are inflicting so much pain and suffering on the world and I will never give up trying.

[imax2268]

6. all my hopes and prayers

that he comes home safe...

I must say that I am pissed at this...for your family and for every family who has a son,daughter, mother, father, or what have you that is/has been sent over there for BushCo un-needed, sensless war...

tell him to stay safe and that us here at DU are pulling for him...

[nostamj]

7. oh DAMN that's awful news.

i'm so sorry. i hope he stays safe and you stay strong.

FWIW, I'm including a song in my revue for the military families. YOUR posts are a big reason I was inspired to write it.

it will be a 'mother's lament' over the LIES that are sending their children into this senseless quagmire.

take care.

[AgadorSparticus]

8. I'm so sorry. I will keep you and him in my prayers.

[never cry wolf]

9. My thoughts are with you Mari

I pray for his safety and quick return!!

How does you stepson feel about his service, the whole Iraq fiasco, the boy king, the neo-cons, etc? Does he share your views or has he been brainwashed?

Please keep us up to date both on his status as well as his thoughts and observations about what is REALLY going on over there.

Peace and Love!

[Mari333]

10. He detests Bush but Im beginning to realize

everything we told him about why he shouldnt have gone were being usurped by his mothers relatives who are all gung ho about this damned invasion/bloodbath.
We did everything we could to keep him here...he knows its an illegal fruadulent occupation, but he went anyway. Hes afraid of the military. He listened to my husbands ex father in law Im starting to find out , who is a freeper who never even saw battle and was never in the service.
we tried to keep him home.

[never cry wolf]

15. I would imagine that in his situation

He would HAVE to maintain some sort of shell of ignorance or at least ambivalence to perform his duties and keep from going crazy.

Does his grandpa not realize that even if he is blessed to get through without injury he will in all probability see and hear things that will change him for life? Dark nasty things that are part of the package of a war. What a fucking inconsiderate asswipe!

I pray the damage is minimal mentally and zero physically. If you can ever offer us any insights he relates to you that you are comfortable sharing I would be eager to hear them. Maybe in that small way he can be a pipeline and reinforce our efforts.

[Mari333]

20. he is a fucking conservative asswipe, the kids grandpa

My husbands ex father in law...he really is..I only met him once, and he has guns and ammo lying around and calls himself "Dirty Harry"..hes a total prick..Michael had talked to him before he left for this..I have a bad feeling he told Michael to go.
Im afraid our Michael listened to him instead of us, and now its too late. Nothing I can do about it. Just keep fighting. My husband is such a mess.

[never cry wolf]

25. Sounds like a typical prick!

Ignorant and no compassion! Frikkin bully loud mouth type it sounds like. The light is on but no one is at home.

Did your stepson really have a choice though? Just wondering.

BTW: have you considered attending the Chicago DU meetup on Sunday, March 7th? I have only been to one and there were only 3 others there, flush_bush, prolesunited and robbien. this one sounds like it wil draw at least a dozen or so. I am sure EVERYONE would love to give you and Mr. Mari a hug, sounds like you need it!

BTW II: My son turned 18 in Jan. and is ripe pickings for an upcoming draft. We need to STOP this crap!!!

[littlejoe]

17. This is a tragedy. Please lean on friends, relatives and clergy

heavily to get through these difficult times.

[Mari333]

47. little thats not going to happen in this town

A funny thing happens in a GOP town, such as this..I stick out like a sore thumb..they dont like peace activists here . especially ones who are the parents of a military soldier in Iraq and are against the bu$h administration. I dont even go into town unless I have to. Theres one other woman here whose daughter is in Iraq, and she and I are bonding. Shes absolutely insane with fear, and she gets the same crap I do when we stand at the peace vigil on Fridays
"But he signed uppppp!"
"Shame on you , you should be proud of him blah blah blah blah"
They run, however, when I ask them if they are willing to send their kids.
Oh well, Ive been thru this before. When tragedy strikes in a home, it seperates the wheat from the chaff of who your friends are and who they are not..and theres not any left now..they dont like to see me and my husband cry..I guess thats why DU and www.mfso.org are so important now. Extended family I guess.
Gotta make family where you can.
PS..sorry I was so angry on some of my posts yesterday. I was a mess.

[watercolors]

55. Mari333, do this

We have our grandson photo along with Bush lied and Thousnad dies on our rear car window. I dare anyone to say something to you. If they do ask if they have a son in Iraq! We have gotten mostly positive feed back and sincere questions as to Charles' well being. It opens the door to some positive conversation also. We are in aan area that is pretty well conservative, but I feel a change coming.

[Mari333]

63. I have his pic in all 3 windows and tons of anti war stickers

and my lisence plate says GW LIED
I still get hassled.
edit to add: Holy shit!! theres a LIHOP letter on our small town paper today..
I guess people are waking up
Not fast enough for me tho....

[juajen]

69. mari, this breaks my heart for you and hubby

LOTS OF LOVE to you both. Stay as strong as you can.

[Jack Rabbit]

11. May he remain safe and return soon

I am rubbing my rabbit's foot for him



My mark from the University of Kansas

[Cooley Hurd]

12. Mari, let's hope he's there no longer than July 1st....

...when we start pulling out.

That's only five months away...:hi: Try not to worry. :hug:

[never cry wolf]

19. We (the troops) are NOT pulling out

July 1 is the date that the admin set for handing over titular control from bremer to their sElected Iraqi puppet gov't.

Our troops are going to be there for many years to prop up whatever banana republic we install and to guard the local natural resources. The military bases that have been, and are being built, are permanent!!

[Mari333]

21. ...bring them all home now

http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
I dont care if we built palaces for the fucking Queen of England over there.
Bring the troops home now.

[never cry wolf]

26. I agree

Just seems like alg bought the propoganda that "we want to turn over iraq to the iraqi's by the end of june" bullshit. Many in this country believe that means our troops come home, I was just trying to point this out.

That "we" (read admin) are transferring power in that time frame has very little effect on our troops. It is bait and switch and very little will change except for titles. Our troops will still be on the front line and stationed in iraq until we get a REAL plan for regime change from the neocons to the iraqis/UN.

Dennis has a plan, I have my own thoughts but in EVERY case I agree, BRING THEM HOME NOW!!!! If we cede control and honestly ask for international/UN assistance on their terms with a genuine, sincere goal of allowing iraqia control of their own land it CAN be done. But, not until.

[Cooley Hurd]

44. Bush has no choice politically BUT to start pulling troops...

...in July. They know that if the casualty counts continue at the same rate (which it will, unfortunately) it will negatively affect the outcome of the election for Bush. He has no choice BUT to start getting some of our troops out of Iraq before the election. That's why I hope Mari's stepson is one of the first out.

This isn't propaganda, it's political expediency...

[nostamj]

45. doesn't he run the risk

of increasing casualties with a decreased presence?

or, will less targets mean less casualties?

i don't think he can pull troops until they are replaced by a larger UN force.

the bushies gambled on the 'cakewalk' fantasy and WE lost big time.

[Cooley Hurd]

48. Whatever it takes, he can't continue to have troops killed...

...in Iraq. With support for the war at an all-time low (and most likely to go lower, once people start talking about the OSP more), the casualty counts will no longer be acceptable to anyone.

The perception of a growing majority of Americans is that this war is unnecessary. Whatever it takes (including grovelling to the UN to get multinational peacekeepers on the ground in Iraq), Shrub has to limit the casualties or he can kiss the WH goodbye, for sure.

[never cry wolf]

50. But that defeats his whole purpose

The reason to go in was to control the oil and set up permanent bases. I also don't think they necessarily WANT UN troops there, then they'd have to deal with diplomacy, old europe and all that crap that could keep them from having free reign. I believe that their hope is to have iraqi troops ready to take over much of the heavy lifting under the control of their puppets but per the PNAC blueprint, our bases are permanent to make sure the puppets do our bidding and have a base to ensure the rest of the reqion knows we, and our weapons, are close by.

When the admin talks about handing over control at the end of June, they are talking STRICTLY about who has legal control, bremer, our waspy regent will hand over the keys to some brown skinned regent/puppet or group. They have NEVER said we are pulling out. Yes, we may lessen our presence somewhat but with the place about to blow into a civil war they cannot afford to lose control.

on edit: Forgetting the thread start and purpose, I don't mean to sound overly pessimistic Mari. Just pointing up how crucial I feel it is to get the cabal OUT of office so someone can get cede real control to the UN and get real help in there so we can get our troops home! I don't believe it will happen under shrubbie unless all hell breaks loose, they have planned this takeover for over a decade now, they will not give it up easily.

[Mari333]

52. I agree and I refuse to put on Blinders

I think the kids are over there for the long haul, and I tried to tell that to my stepson who said "Only a year"..ya right..
I know we wont see him for Easter, July 4th, his B day, all holidays and probly not anytime soon...and they might try and send him back..
if he comes home for a leave, and he wants out of it, hes out..thats all there is to it...
I have a feeling this will erupt into civil war, and thats what makes me crazy with concern.

[Cooley Hurd]

53. But none of it matters if he loses the election...

Trust me, Job 1 for the Bush admin is to get re-elected. He tried the PNAC plan for Iraq and failed miserably. He has little choice anymore but to cut-and-run. Troop losses are quickly becoming unacceptable to the electorate because more and more people are seeing the Iraq conflict as unnecessary.

[Mari333]

54. I hope they cut and run and fast

before all hell breaks loose..Its already breaking loose, but they keep putting on happy faces to make people think its all flowers and roses..
if the Shi ites are mad now that Bremer is setting up his puppet govt, they will take it out on the soldiers..and we know what happened in Vietnam, which this is so similar to its horrifying..
The fall of Saigon, and the insanity that ensued..
I just want the kids over there to get home, they are sitting ducks with targets on their backs, whilst the comfortable cowards are in newsrooms here cheerleading and covering up for Bu$h.

[greatauntoftriplets]

28. The only Democratic candidate for president who agrees is...

...Dennis Kucinich. He wants to bring the troops home now.

Mari, I am so sorry to hear this news. I hope that your son will be safe.

[southerngirlwriter]

35. Grasping at straws here.....

Mari, if he said he was gay would they send him home?? I don't keep up with this stuff too closely -- military rules for getting shipped home, I mean -- but I know they USED to kick you out for being gay. Does he have a male friend in his unit who also wants to get home? They could arrange to get caught tongue-kissing or something.

Please don't be offended -- I'm very serious. I'm not gay, but if they tried to draft 25 year old women like me for a bullshit "war" like this, I'd find a female friend and, hell, I don't know, go downtown and try to get a marriage license or something. Use their homophobia against them.

I feel so much sympathy and pain for what your son and your family are going through -- I am so sorry. I wish I could help.

[Mari333]

46. I already tried that with him he said no

I also asked him if I could break his trigger hand, he said no
I offered him a lawyer
offered to send him overseas to hide
offered him to say NO to them and get dishonourable discharge, jail is better then being dead, he said no
offered everything, had him call the GI Objectors hotline, he did but then he wavered and said "Im just going, f*ck it."
We couldnt stand in the doorway and force him to stay, but now his emails sound more desperate, fake brave face , I think its hitting him as to how bad it really is , versus what he thought would happen.
I have to make sure we have a therapist ready for him when he returns, I have to believe he will return .
I also told my husband "Lets bribe a political heavyweight to get him out"
My husband is more ethical then me and said no.
I said "Ya but Bu$h did it! why not bribe a politician?"
Oh well. Im not ethical I guess when it comes to getting him out and home safe..in a way, I hope he breaks his leg this week and they send him home..Im serious...better to come home with one broken leg, then dead.

[Cooley Hurd]

49. Mari, I know you're frightened, but the odds are heavily in favor...

...of your step-son's safe return. I know it's hard, but try to focus on the statistical probability that he'll come home physically unscathed. Unfortunately, one can't predict how well he'll fare emotionally. :(

[demsrule4life]

59. My opinion is

you put to much pressure on him to do what you wanted him to do. He was stuck between loyalty to you and loyalty to his Army Buddy's. The Army Buddy's won. After 24 years in the military one thing I know the bond with your fellow soldiers is very strong and life long.

[Mari333]

60. No, we told him what we believed and told him

he could choose for himself.
His whole unit detests Bush. Half his unit got out before he got sent over. Hes 21. They dont listen to anyone. One cannot stand in the door and make them stay. I didnt raise him, his incredibly stupid mother did. My husband left her after 13 years of watching her fuck up her kids.
He came into my life 8 years ago, and moved in with us when he was 18. Hes a good kid, but I didnt have much time to help him learn the same things I taught my sons..which was that the US military complex is full of shit and they lie.
In the meantime, I think hes finding out NOW how much they lied to him as he sits in Baghdad, facing who knows fucking what.

[demsrule4life]

61. How do they lie?

Everyone knows what the military is about, if necessary fighting and dying for your country. I have said on here before I'm for the war against terrorism, the attacks on Americans has been going on for thirty years and it is about time we started doing something about it. I was a military policeman in Europe for twenty years and I have seen the results of terrorists bombs more times then I care to remember. One thing that strikes me as very strange on DU is that everybody says this is an illegal war. Back in the 60's and 70's everyone said Vietnam was an Illegal war. Now Bush or any politician that managed to keep out of that war is considered scum, now you wanted your son to do the same thing they did and you consider it the right thing to do. Sorry if I'm confused.

[Mari333]

62. This war was not a war against Terrorism

It was a war for PNAC and the men who are in the Bush administration are members of that gang.
Catch up
this occupation of Iraq has been planned since the early 90s
http://www.pnac.info/blog/archives/000054.html
It has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with Oil and power.
check out Saddam and Rumsfield...we GAVE THE WEAPONS TO SADDAM
and there are NO WMDs they have been gone for a long time..thats what this illegal war was based on.....
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

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[demsrule4life]

64. In real life the jury is still out

only history will tell if this war was correct or not.

[Mari333]

65. You didnt read a thing I posted.

please dont advocate the usage of my stepson in Iraq as a pawn for evil bastards and lying lowlife pieces of shit .Dont . Just Dont. Go advocate your war somewhere else, please. I suggest
http://www.freerepublic.com
they will love you there.

[demsrule4life]

67. I don't advocate the use of your son

don't get me wrong. I have sons in the military one in the 101 ABN and one on the Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine Tennessee, currently underwater somewhere in the world. I would have to guess they gave me about as much choice in their decisions as your son gave you.

[Columbia]

66. True words

And a very astute perspective.

[lostnfound]

68. Maybe you know about soldiers; but I think you know zilch about mothers

I think that this is an awful time to be trying to debate. And telling her she 'put too much pressure on him' is just flat out insensitive and rude.

This thread quite obviously is not the place for a debate about whether or not Bush or recruiters lie, or about grounds for the war. The thread is about a member of our community letting the community know what is happening with her son. It's p-e-r-s-o-n-a-l.

[juajen]

71. Yeah, besides the oil, the permanent bases were big reason

why *istas invaded Iraq. We were being kicked out of Saudi Arabia and had to have those bases to protect our oil interests; also to change the Iraqis back to dealing with the dollar instead of the euro.

[bandy]

13. Dear Mari

I have been following your sad and desperate posts. As one Mari to another and one mother (and stepmother) to another I have to say you are in my thoughts and prayers. Keep fighting Mari - DU and lots of prayers, good thoughts, and mothers (and stepmothers) w/kids of all ages are with you 24/7. Remember - you are not alone. And that fanning sound in your ears - its angels looking after you and your son.

[Mari333]

29. thanks but Im more mad now then sad

Im really mad. I will take my anger and use it.

[bandy]

31. you go girl...

we are behind you! Let us know how we can help.

[chillwindblowing]

14. praying for your son and all troops to come home soon

our hearts go out to you and we will keep all our troops in our prayers .

[Mari333]

16. this on the news today

http://www.wvgazette.com/static/apnews/?story=ap0435n.php

He was in Kuwait, and is now travelling to Baghdad..everytime I see this Ill wonder.

[Nashyra]

22. I wish there was some way to help shoulder the fear for you

Remember that you have many here "wondering" along with you and many that are praying and directing their "guardian angels" to him. We will all continue to think positive thoughts about him, day and night and about your entire family.

Cindy Trigg

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. Will keep you all in my prayers

[opihimoimoi]

24. This Opi wishes him well. Hope the time flies and he comes home sooner

than later.

Opi

[ellie]

27. Mari

My nephew is in the 82nd Airborne in Fallujah. I think about him constantly and am continuously worried about him. This illegal war has to end. I will pray for your son.

[Mari333]

30. ((ellie)) and I for you and your nephew.

heres a helpful site for your family

http://www.mfso.org

[ellie]

34. Thank you n/t

[Old and In the Way]

32. Best of luck.....

We're with you on ending this national nightmare now.

[mike1963]

33. Just don't forget you aren't the only one feeling helpless but mad as hell

More words elude me at the moment. But if you want a hug, here comes one.
:-)
:grouphug:

[Kat45]

36. Oh shit! I'm so sorry to hear that.

I remember your concerns about your son, and now this has indeed come to pass. I'll put your family in my prayers.

[Ilsa]

37. I just got on and saw this Mari.

I'm so sorry about Baghdad and all the shit and the f^$king fundies also. Hey, maybe the insurgents will go after the fundies first, okay?

I wish we could go back in time and rework this for you.

[Pithlet]

38. I hope he returns home safely, soon.

I'm keeping you, him, and family in my thoughts.

[Skittles]

39. Mari, the MPs I send care packages to are returning April 6

I can't wait for your thread announcing the return of Michael.

[flamingyouth]

40. Oh, I am so sorry, Mari

I just read this now. :cry:

You are all in my thoughts now, and I will keep sending good vibes to you. :hug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. I am so sorry

I hope he stays safe. I have two sons and I know that if they were where your son is now, I would be insane with worry. :hug:

[legin]

42. i can't say I know much about the military

But there are now 'old hands' who have been out there a year now, make sure your son 'hoovers up' everything they have learnt, and every piece of 'suss' that they have acquired, before they rotate out. Put in some extra time.

[Mandate My Ass]

43. Mari

You and your family are in my thoughts and I'm sending you all the positive energy I can muster. I'm staying focused on his safe and speedy return.

[watercolors]

51. He is in my prayer list

so sorry to hear this, our grandson is at the Bagdad airport. I don't believe any place is safe in Iraq. He told his parents its a nightmare, and not what he was told to expect. He's never been out of the country, and the shock of it has him scared!

[BiggJawn]

56. Oh, Jeez...Talk about "The Point of the Spear"...

I'm sending him whatever I can, Mari!

How long is he "supposed" to be gone?

[Mari333]

57. His orders said one year

But my husband and I know perfectly well it will be longer if bu$h gets in again
and one year is too long...he thinks he will be in for only 10 more months..I tried to tell him, no dear, the military doesnt care who they use or how long they use you and they will keep you for as long as they want because war is a business, and you are being used as a pawn..
he actually believes them when they say only a year.
Again, in my life, its mom VS the patriarchal establishment from Hell.
My other sons listened to me and said no way would they ever go..I didnt raise Michael however...his mother did, hes my stepson..and she voted for Bu$h and demanded that he adhere to her belief system. I can only hope he comes back , and have to be logical about it and allow reason to prevail when the heavy duty emotions kick in.
My 3 sons in Seattle love him dearly, so they will be sending him tons of packages..my oldest son barely got OUT of the Guard after they tried to send him on Stop Loss..thanks to DU friends he got out..
Hell, they are sending everyone who can breathe over there..they are depserate..they dont care about the kids a whit.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

58. Is there a way that we can send care packages to him

I've wanted to send packages for a while now, but haven't gotten around to actually doing it... I wondered if there was a way that we DU- types can support each other's family members and friends of the family members. I want them to know that there are lots of people back at home who care, and that they are NOT just another soldier, or a pawn, but a real human being- yes, with a name. People with families (define 'family' how you may) that is afraid to pick up the paper, or turn on the news for fear of bad news. I want THESE people- the families, to hear that their son or daughter, or wife or husband got a care package from a complete stranger when they hear from their in-theater soldier.

Sorry for rambling- I want so much to write, but lack the words to do so correctly.

[bluestateguy]

70. jeez

That is just awful.

[Valerie5555]

72. What anti war types ought to say to at least "support the troops," but not

necessarily the war. "SUPPORT THE TROOPS, BRING THEM BACK ALIVE" or "SUPPORT THE TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME."

[roguevalley]

73. Oh crap. Tell us if you EVER need anything, honey. HUGS!

[PsychoDad]

74. Mari,

I'll remember him and you in my prayers. May God return him safely to you soon.