sick of this nader whiny crap.....

[distortionmarshall]

sheesh - if you're scared of 2% or 3%, then wait til you see the friggin 43%+ that bush is gonna get....

christ - nothing about nader should be scary to dems - if the campaign is done 1/2 way well, the election won't be close.... nader wasn't the problem last time, it was gore's idiotic campaign that allowed the election to be close in the first place.

i don't in fact care for the idea of nader running, but it's not cuz i'm scared that he'll torpedo the democrats. if 2% torpedos you, then you didn't deserve to win in the first place.

sheesh

[RobertSeattle]

1. 537 "Votes" torpedoed Gore in 2000

That's way less than 2%.

A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush - there's just no two ways about it.

[Mile Hi]

8. Wrong

A vote for Nader is excersising my constitutional right to democraticly vote for any candidate I think deserves my vote.

Anything else is UN-American!!!!!!

[AngryYoungMan]

10. Nobody's saying you don't have the RIGHT. We're saying it's ILL-ADVISED.

Damn it, why don't Naderites understand this?

[tedoll78]

13. Yup.

We have the right to vote as we please.

We also have the right to question the intelligence (or lack thereof) behind certain vote choices.

[Mile Hi]

16. Why?

Why is my vote ILL-Advised and your's isn't?

I'm not a Nader fan, but my vote is just that.
Why don't you vote for some real change in this country?

[Zero Gravitas]

23. Voting for Nader won't change ANYTHING

I don't see how helping to defeat the Dem candidate and keeping Bush in power is a "vote for change".

[library_max]

24. In a presidential race,

only the two major-party candidates have any chance whatsoever of winning. You might as well write in your own name, or Donald Duck, as vote third party. You're not "voting for real change," you're just leaving the actual decision up to the people who vote for the Republican or the Democrat.

[stoystown]

21. YOu must Luuuuuuuve Squinty.

Fine. Go vote for a loser to show everyone how cool and independent you are.

When your children are drinking sludge out of the tap in 20 years thanks to Squinty's policies, they will look up and thank you through their pus-infected eyes.

And yes, I do feel that strongly.

[Zero Gravitas]

22. Indeed

It is your right to vote for bush, just don't pretend that voting for Nader is anything other than voting for Bush.

[drdon326]

15. Wha???

you sound like some.....DEMOCRAT !!

[Tinoire]

18. Wrong. Here's what torpedoed Gore.

The Supreme Court.

The Reagan Democrats who voted for Bush.

The conservative swing voters the Democrats are always chasing.

The Arab Americans angry at certain of the Democratic Party's stands.

The Democrats who voted for Buchanan.

The over 16,000 votes Diebold disappeared in Florida 2000.

Telling Haitians & other immigrants that the election was on the 8th.

Massive voter purges.

Military ballots received after the deadline.

Hanging chads.

Bus-loads of bussed-in Republican operatives.

Katherine Harris. Jeb Bush.

People who couldn't even be bothered to vote.

People who are down-right apathetic and tired of feeling lied to by the Democratic Party.

Downright "naive' people who voted for Bush and now want the Democratic party to cater to their personality difference with Bush.

===

Blaming Nader is a crutch made out of rotten wood. It's going to give any minute now.

[library_max]

26. "Everyone is out of step except me."

It's everybody's fault except mine.

People who voted for Bush wanted Bush. The Scalia five wanted Bush. They got what they wanted. They didn't make a mistake. Some may have regretted their vote since then, but they got what they wanted at the time.

There's no point in enumerating situational factors like hanging chads and the butterfly ballot. There's always going to be situational stuff. Would it be useful to go and talk to the voting machines about how they really shouldn't have left hanging chads?

What some of us hope is that there is some point in talking to Nader voters, at least some of them. Obviously, they didn't get what they wanted in 2000. Just as obviously, they are neither situational factors nor inanimate objects - they are people who do things for reasons and could change what they do if they see reason for the change (unlike, say, a voting machine or a butterfly ballot).

It's not about blame. It's about not making the same mistake twice.

[Skittles]

2. Nader talking points

to relieve guilt

[JohnnyFianna1]

6. More of the silly lies

Gore ran a fine campaign. He closed with, and beat *. Plus, Nader's tampering is what caused Gore to lose last time anyway. If you want info on Nader's taking of Gore's votes read "Stupid White Men" it pretty much shows just what Nader did during the last week to help defeat Gore.

[Webster Green]

3. I think you are right.......

Nader won't matter much. Gore would have won in a landslide had he not distanced himself from the big dawg. Smirky is toast in any event.

[Name removed]

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[AngryYoungMan]

5. Amen

eom

[Piperay]

7. I agree (nt)

[distortionmarshall]

9. who cares indeed?

lol - you should, cuz that mentality is part of the democratic-wuss problem that they've had for a long time....

you see football games where the loser whines to the reporters about the refs? (or better the awesome leon budweiser commercial) that's what dems are like when they whine about nader

if the game is so close that a holding penalty (good or bad) loses the game for you, then you've already screwed things up - the game shouldn't be that close to begin with....

i'm suggesting that dems need a lil bit of agressiveness, not whiny pensive fearfulness about a fringe candidate that might siphon a few measly votes...

dems should have their sights set a lot higher than that...

get a lil backbone, for chrissakes....

[library_max]

27. This country is split clean down the middle.

It's not a matter of backbone. It's easy to sit out on the far left and say that Gore should have gone madly-like-Adlai. He'd have got your vote and all your friends, but alas he'd have lost a lot more votes from the center.

The middle is where presidential elections are always won. Neither party can afford to pander to its base in a way that loses the center. Remember Bush's "compassionate conservatism"? Bush was definitely not the choice of the far right, but they had the sense to stick with him and vote for him, and now they're getting their reward, especially in the matter of judicial appointments.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

[Robin Hood]

11. I am sick of Nader's whiny crap as well.

His hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

[lancdem]

12. I agree

Like you, I don't favor his running, but I'm not worried about it, either.

[Frances]

14. I think we'll need to win by 10%

because we can count on the Republicans to steal over 5% of the vote through voter purges, BBV theft, etc.

[distortionmarshall]

17. some people just don't get it....

let's get after em guys! score touchdowns! get sacks! win the game by 2 points!

christ - isn't there anyone around these parts with a sports background? things like golf, ping pong, pilates, and the like don't count, either...

setting low expectations is (part of) the definition of wussiness..... win by 10% my ass - win 80% of the damn states..... a few of my idiotic southern countrymen aside, win all the rest....

at least my understanding of how democrats lost the last race is deepening as a result of this conversation...

[Heritic]

20. I agree

The Repukes will cheat, thats obvious. And I think we can all agree that there is to much at risk to let Bush win again (not that he actually WON last time...). If it was a Democrat in office, it would be different. But since its Bush, Nader shouldn't run. Another 4 more years of Bush and there might not be much America left.

[distortionmarshall]

25. ah....

the sweet stench of fear on the part of the wussified democrats....

republicans must be laughing their collective asses off - "look how scared they are of BIG BAD NADER!!! lolololol

i thought we had a chance this year, but not with this kind of pervasive fear......

[Goldom]

19. The honest truth is

Nader is NOT a vote for progressive change. A true green cand -might- be, but Nader has become certainly no better than any dem at this point.

[Moderator]

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