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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:55 PM
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Is a viable third party possible?
The only way I can see a true third party system developing is if someone creates a viable CENTRIST party with a fiscally conservative platform and socially moderate positions. They would take moderates from both democrats and republicans, as well as most americans who consider themselves independent.

The republicans and democratic parties would then become much more conservative and liberal and be more receptive to their bases without the need or concern to appease moderates in their party. The moderates could get out to the new centrist third party.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:02 PM
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1. What you describe sounds like Perot's Reform Party.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 04:03 PM by Minstrel Boy
For a short time it, at least, appeared viable.

But does America really need another party of the centre? I doubt another centrist party would radicalize the Democrats. It would, rather, precipitate a stampede to the middle. And again, the progressive vote is shut out.
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Captain Sunshine Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:24 PM
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2. Not yet. Please.
I think, given the polarization of the country and the current administration's policies and actions, that a third party would cause more damage than good, and would not serve the needs of the country overall. Any new party would draw votes away from one of the other two current parties, and that potential draw cannot be quantified until the damage is done.

A third party is a luxury this democracy, ill as it is, cannot afford. I know Nader is thinking of running; this would be a bad idea. Right now, the primary goal must be to restore a more open democracy to power in Washington. Think what you will about the similarities between the two parties, but how many of Bush's really egregious policies (and there are plenty) can you see Gore putting in place? The Republicans have denied the normal process of government for their own ends and weakened process, precedent and goodwill along the way. This needs to be remedied first.

Here's an idea that might or might not work: A third party needs to recognize, as Nader has not, that a base must be built BEFORE, not BY or BECAUSE OF, an election. A third party should agree to support one of the two major parties' major candidates - for president, say - while their supporters get organized, define themselves and their party, and try their hand at local, state and national representative elections. When the party is strong enough to mount a good showing in Congress and has some legislative success, with evidence of their impact on policy and the people, then they can declare their intent to nominate an independent candidate for president. You still run the risk of drawing off votes from one particular party (witness Perot in '92), but the base and real Congressional presence might offset a dominant party's position (especially, in the case of Libertarians, the presence of more parties takes Congressional seats away from them).

Anyway, that's my two cents.

CS
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:47 PM
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3. don't think so
at least not on the federal level. Our winner take all system makes it very difficult. If only we had proportional representation.....
and small state senators would fight that tooth and nail. Those senators also wouldn't want to give up the electoral college. Sometimes I wonder about those Founding Fathers............
By the way, I voted for Nader in 2000 and don't regret it, SC.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:49 PM
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4. Only with a new voting system
Plurality (First-Past-The-Post) voting systems create two party systems, because of Duverger's Law.

See: http://www.electionmethods.org
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