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Cptn Kirk Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:56 PM
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Is this the real reason the right fears same sex marriage?
You know, I was reading the articles regarding the marriages in San Fran.

The right loves to minimize groups of people they oppose as much as possible. To them (generally) the smaller/weaker a group of people is the more OK it is to treat them unjustly. And you know, there really isn't any official government record kept nationally of same sex couples.

I have read that in only a matter of days 3000 couples have married in San Fran. Now I realize that people have come from out of state, but I am assuming the vast majority of these people are from San Fran and surrounding areas.

Does it occur to anyone how HUGE a number of people this is? For just one city in the United States in only a matter of days?

This does not even take in to account those homosexual people who are 1. Not ready to marry (or don't want to) or 2. Not willing to travel to CA to get a marriage certificate that a. won't be recognized (with out a legal fight) in their own state or b. is just too far away.

I wonder, if same sex marriage were to be legalized right now in all 50 states, 6 months from now how many people would be married? I have a feeling it would be a pretty large sized number, and I think the right fears that.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 10:59 PM
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1. You have to factor in, though...
...that San Fan has a higher per capita homosexual population than other cities.
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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:01 PM
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2. Actually, it seems sensible,
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:01 PM by Goldom
given the mass horde waiting to marry, that states begin allowing same-sex marriage one state at a time, so that there is not suddenly an explosion of 100,000s of marriages all at once.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:02 PM
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3. The Right Does Not Fear These Marriages, This Is A Manufactured Issue
to distract Americans from the economic rape of America by the Republican Ultra Wealthy.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:22 PM
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4. agreed. the right would be fine with private disgust
most republicans and social conservatives would actually be quite fine with permitting legal unions or marriages, as long as there was public condemnation. lawmakers and priests huffing and puffing about depravity and decline, along with a 'celebration of hetero marriages' week, would be enough for the average joe.

as long as their leaders contented themselves with that.

but that doesn't serve their interests, so the republiscum have decided to turn it into a voting issue to serve their unrelated political agendas....
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:26 AM
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8. Thankyou mhr. I been flamed for saying
this.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:34 AM
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9. I don't know where you live
But here in the midwest, the right does fear gay marriages, quite a lot actually. Whether it was manufactured at any point doesn't change the fact that the fear is real and visceral. Just because you don't feel it personally, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:59 PM
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5. More faux outrage, because Rush told them to be outraged
If there is ANY reason the repubes "fear" this it's because of the MONEY..

Single (gay) people pay into SS for a lifetime.. when they die, the balance rolls into the "kitty"..

Married people also pay in, but when one dies, the other one can collect survivor benefits.

Legalizing gay marriage will upset the apple cart..


also with employee benefits.. if gay people can now claim a spouse, the cost to the employer will rise, and stingy as they are, repubs see this as a way thet THEIR costs will rise..


It's about greed and faux outrage..

They know that gay people are not a threat to them or theirs.. They just "need" to be angry and put out about lots of things.. The are patiently waiting to be told what to be angry about..

Rush & the boys always deliver..:(
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:00 AM
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6. Here is my opinion
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 12:03 AM by La_Serpiente
I remember this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=757915

If you read it, you could tell the father was afraid that his son would become a homosexual. I think many people would just like to see gay activism go away.

Now, this type of sentiment is not shared by all pro-FMA Americans. I sincerely believe that there are people out there who feel that marriage is between a man and a woman and are not fearful of gays at all. However, I do belive that a large plurality or majority of Americans are fearful of gays in general. A lot of this pro-FMA sentiment is based out of fear, but that is just my opinion.

I am sure there are more answers, but this is just one of them.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:14 AM
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7. Nor does it include...
...the binational gay and lesbian couples, just like Sapphocrat and myself.

Sappho is a native Californian, and lives near San Francisco. Our favorite restaurant is a little place in the Castro.

If we were certain that I could fly back to San Francisco today, and get through customs without a hassle, we would in fact be heading to the city to get married as well.

There are a lot of American citizens who have fallen in love with someone from another country, and those citizens don't currently have the right to sponsor their foreign born partner for immigration. Unfortunately though, this group of LGBT folk are usually forgotten when statistics are quoted.
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