Freepers are sooooo busted.

[rhino47]

Msnbc/Newsweek poll declared the results of this poll were
slanted by special interest group *aka freepers* .The scarey
thing is that supposedly the request to freep it came from the
white house.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4205947/

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-campaign2002/1074654/posts

pretty pathetic if you ask me .white house must be up the prover bible creek without a paddle

[PaDUer]

1. This isn't the first time

they've been busted..remember when they freeped the poll on Oprah's site..

[Maeve]

2. That should be a bigger story

GOP party involvement?? My, my, CREEP rises like a zombie!

[Loonman]

3. Dishonest dorks

Ha ha ha!

[bowens43]

4. Every time I see a request to freep a poll on the evil site

I send an email informing the pollsters that the poll is being freeped. I also include a link to the post requesting the freep.

[kskiska]

53. I do, too

They like to pick on small-town papers that don't know what hit them. I busted them quite a few times.

[liberalnurse]

5. Thats the first step for the White House as it leads down the path

of BBV........they already have the election rigged.

[RedEarth]

6. LOL.....that's great...a request from the White House

Sounds like george is getting desperate. Outing a CIA agent, freeping a poll.........Dirty Politics, Gutter Politics. These people make me sick.

[meti57b]

7. It's amazing and gratifying that the editor published that fact.

[djg21]

8. Why we should never "DU" polls!

I am amazed every time I see a suggestion or request on this board that we "unfreep" or "DU" polls. They make us look just as "moranic" (sic) as idiot Freepers. I think that the far better approach is to contact the the site hosting the poll. If the poll becomes too lopsided, no one gives it creedence any!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. Not never

Only when FR calls their sheeple to freep polls. And I think we should always use the term "unfreep".

[Az]

11. The difference is

That when they call for a freep they mean vote as many times as they can. Cheat the system, crack the security, etc. When we call for a DU on a poll we mean vote once. Make your voice heard. It is a world of difference.

[librechik]

17. Thank you! Yes exactly

and such a prime example of the differences between Dems and Pukkkes.

[tom_paine]

47. Exactly.

[Skittles]

16. DU urges posters to participate in on-line polls

we are NOT urged to "freep" polls which means vote over and over and over.

[djg21]

49. How about this?

A local newspaper, say in New Mexico, hosts an on-line poll on its website, ostensibly to gauge the sentiments of its readership.

The responses are overwhelmingly from visitors to the website, who are well outside of the relevant geographic market served by the newspaper. In fact, most who vote in the poll have never been to the website before, and do not read the local New Mexico newspaper. Indeed, but for the poll, most voters have no real reason to visit the site, and the only reason they did so was because they were asked to "DU" the poll on this message board.

Don't you agree that the votes cast by those "DUing" the poll are going to skew the results of that poll? Given that the participants on this board likely are more progressive or liberal than the general readership of the local New Mexico newspaper, isn't the poll essentially worthless as an indicator of local sentiment because it has been skewed to the "left."

Granted, none of these web polls are scientific or statisically reliable. That being said, the difference between voting multiple times, and encouraging like-minded persons to vote in polls that they otherwise would never find is not too significant. In either case, the results are being manipulated by a "special interest" groups.

My suggestion would be that we never suggest "DUing" or "unFreeping" polls. We should be above that. If you think a poll is interesting, just provide the link.

[Skittles]

50. I do see your point

I participate in the more mainstream polls, like CNN or Newsweek.

[Norquist Nemesis]

35. Agreed!!! Report them instead

to the appropriate contact with a link to the freep request as suggested by another poster. I have to admit, I have been guilty of helping out on a poll or two that's being freeped, but I'm going to change my tactic to reporting from now on. Plus, doing this will give us much more credibility. Love that idea!!! :thumbsup:

[bluedeminredstate]

10. Did you read that thread

on FR? The MSNBC site linked to it. A big topic of discussion was that Hilary came before Laura Bush on the question about
First Ladies - NOT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER - therefore MSNBC is in the tank for Hilary. Guess they didn't watch the network during the 90's...

Psychiatry residents should be made to read from FR as part of their training. They could learn a lot about delusions, paranoia, anti-social behavior, mania and other disorders. Think of all the experience they would get in addition to their hospital work.
:crazy:

[DrBB]

12. Here's the smoking gun, for those who can't bring themselves

...to visit FreeRepugnant. It's the thread MSNBC links to as evidence they were freeped, and it has the name of the GOP official who claims it was done on WH request:

From: Bunny Chambers Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:21 PM

Subject: ALERT--Action Needed

We have been requested by the White House to click on the following link and participate in the Newsweek Poll: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4205947/ Please do it as soon as possible. Please pass this on.

Bunny Chambers GOP National Committeewoman for Oklahoma

Don't suppose there are any actual legalities involved in this kind of fakery, but it needs to be outed as OFFICIAL Replicant policy to do this. Do feel free to send "Bunny" your opinion--her email address is there for your convenience.

[myrna minx]

14. "We have been requested by the White House

to click on the following link and participate in the Newsweek Poll."

But, but, but, I thought the White House doesn't *follow* polls? :eyes:

[soup]

44. not *following* - *leading*

restoring honor and dignitudeness.

Everybody Limbo! - how low can they go?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. Bunny Chambers sounds like a porn star name

Maybe Marylin Chambers' niece or something? :evilgrin:

[Cooley Hurd]

20. Her first pet was named "Bunny" and the street she grew up on...

..was "Chambers" street. :)

[Az]

13. Be prepared for them to try to get us tagged with the same thing

They are gonna try to find a poll that we DU and set off the alarm bells. So if any calls go out to DU a poll make sure you reaffirm that all voting follow the rules. Vote once. Make your voice heard.

[On the Road]

15. I am Glad Others Agree With Me About Multiple Voting

the internet polls are changing by themselves in out favor anyway. It's not an accurate measure of the population, but it is a reflection of the energy and direction of the internet population. No need to muddy the results with ballot-box stuffing.


On Edit: I started a thread on "Ask the Administrators" that multiple voting should be officially discouraged on DU. If anyone wants to comment pro or con, here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=120

[Cooley Hurd]

19. I defy them to find any post on DU...

...that encourages people cheat and vote repeatedly.

(had this argument w/ a questionable newbie yesterday - he never returned with a DU post that encouraged cheating)

[Az]

26. There are freeper posts giving instructions on how to cheat the system

There are posts bragging about how many times they voted. It really is sickening.

[djg21]

46. Multiple voting?

Multiple voting really is a red herring for purposes of this discussion.

It is one thing to point out the location of a poll. It at least appears to be quite another to suggest that we "DU" or "UNFREEP" a poll. There are negative connotations that stem from the use of such phraseology alone, irrespective of whether some may or may not be casting multiple votes!

[htuttle]

21. Not possible

The scandal here is not that a poll was freeped (yawn...), but rather that the White House directed them to do it.

I highly doubt any of us are going to get a message from the White House telling us how to vote on a poll. And if they did, we wouldn't listen anyway.

[Az]

23. Not quite

Newsweek was triggered to the fraud by the flood of freeper votes. That is what triggered their pulling of the poll. It was finding that it went back to the WH that elevated the issue to one worthy of larger attention.

[htuttle]

31. Not Quite what?

I'm confused.

Who cares about the freeping. We know that happens, Newsweek knows that happens.

What I didn't know happened was that the White House was pathetic enough to send out directives to the freepers on how they should freep.

THAT I didn't know happened. Although I suspected it, I actually gave more credit to the White House than to do that...I won't make that mistake again!

[karabekian]

22. you have to be kidding me

people post polls here to "DU them". Its no different than freepers slanting a poll and it really has no bearing in reality as most people could care less about an internet poll (i.e. not reliable). It is hypocritical to criticize conservatives for the very thing so many do here.

Just the other day I saw someone talking about how you erase a cookie or something so you can vote more than once. I also don't consider a post on freeperville saying to do it for the whitehouse a direct order from the administration.

[htuttle]

24. Does the White House tell us at DU how to vote?

No. In fact, if the DLC told us how to vote on a poll, I bet half of us would vote the other way just out of spite.

It is not hypocritical to criticize them for this, as we don't take our marching orders from Karl Rove as they do.

[karabekian]

25. you really think the Whitehouse called down orders

to the free republic website to skew a poll that statistically means nothing?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

30. The White House Gives Lists of Talking Points to RW Radio Hosts

and publications. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a directive from the WH to slam polls.

[karabekian]

34. maybe so

but seems like a waste of time to me. I just don't see the point of anyone deliberatly skewing a poll that most will not see and is obviously not telling of the population as a whole.

[htuttle]

36. That is a good question...

...but someone claiming to be the National GOP committeeperson for OK stated on the FR thread (linked above) that they were told to call out the vote in the poll by the White House.

I looked up this person (Bunny Chambers), and sure enough, she is legit. She actually is the National GOP committeeperson for Oklahoma.

I highly doubt that Rim Job over at Free Republic would allow ANYONE to masquerade as a GOP official if they weren't actually one, don't you think? And I also think that a National GOP committeeperson would NOT state that the White House gave them a directive unless they actually did, don't you think?

So, yes, I now DO think that the White House called down orders to the FR to skew a poll that statistically means nothing. It's pathetic, but a good measure of how desperate they are over there at the White House.

[kskiska]

54. This should be sent to someone in the media

Joe Conason, maybe, or Josh Marshall. Then it might get picked up by the WP or NYT.

[Cooley Hurd]

27. See my post #19...

...I challenge you! :slap-slap::)

[karabekian]

32. i am not going through all the threads but remember seeing it

My main point would be internet polls are unreliable, not really telling, and easily tampered with. I only vote once in polls but I am sure that some people at freeperville and here vote more than once. It is kind of pointless considering the poll means nothing and most people will never see or care about the results. But hey, ive done stranger things when I was bored at work ;-)

I also highly doubt that Rove or the whitehouse staff would waste their time to skew a worthless poll or to mobilize the freeper troops to do so. But you never know.

[Cooley Hurd]

39. Thank you for making my point...

DU Posts that encourage cheating don't exist. I've NEVER seen one (and I've been here a bit longer than you)...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

40. "Internet polls unreliable, not really telling, easily tampered with"

I know that, and you know that. But do you think Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity etc. are above selectively forgetting that in order to blast "67% of Americans are for/against XYZ!!!" in their shows?

I don't listen to such shows (living in Brazil helps a lot), but I am going out on a limb and guessing with 95% certainty that RW talking heads do have a history of doing that. Am I right or wrong?

[karabekian]

43. i would hope that they would not link them or say the nature of the poll

i don't know if they do or not since I don't listen.

I was looking for the person talking about the cookies but I cant find it off hand. I know for a fact someone wrote about it in the last week or so but also acknowledge that it isn't representative of DU.

[YNGW]

28. Yeah

>Just the other day I saw someone talking about how you erase a cookie or something so you can vote more than once.

I saw it, too.

[Az]

37. My experiene is that cheating is met with anger here

If I had seen the thread suggesting erasing the cookies I would have read them the riot act. I believe this is the general attitude behind DU and calls to DU a poll.

[karabekian]

38. I think most people don't cheat

I also think the battle of internet polls between the right and the left is funny. Its like a virtual battle and to the victor goes...nothing. hehe

[Az_lefty]

29. They Freeped another poll...

no surprise here.:dunce:

[rhino47]

51. Hiya Toiletbush Welcome to DU

:hi: :hi: :hi:

[Tyler Durden]

33. MSNBC really posted the FR link.

Jesus tap dancing Christ-on-a-crutch.

Won't go anywhere, but it was a trip to see that.

[Rich Hunt]

41. that is why...

That is why, as I said some time ago, you are going to see crackdowns and deletions of extremist sentiment on FR.

The orders probably came from above.

If you've read some of the books on RW tactics that have come out in recent years, you know that everything is coordinated. The WH tries to publicly distance themselves from nutjobs, but the nutjobs are extremely useful.

[ComerPerro]

42. Many people here have started doing this

I don't approve

[onecitizen]

45. Oh no!! How funny.........

did they think they couldn't get caught? hahahahaahhaaha

[tom_paine]

48. My guess is the Freeps always have been run out of the Bushevik

HQ.

They, too, are a Stallinist-type front-group just like the Fedralist Society and AEI.

[Milspec]

52. It may be just me

But ALL online political polls are utter cow dung.

[bhunt70]

55. I hate that, I hate when we do it too.