Bush '04 = DRAFT '05 DoD says stop-loss ends in 2005 - Watch out!

[Dems Will Win]

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/02/edi04012.html

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"The official, who briefed on the condition that he would not be identified, said it is not certain the Army would be able to cut strength in four to five years from the 510,000-troop level authorized by Rumsfeld under emergency authority approved after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. ‘It really depends on world situations,' the official said. ‘We think, as we're restructuring, we may be able to come down off the 510,000 over time. . . . But I don't know yet.'"

The article continues:

"The current plan for fulfilling both overseas commitments and restructuring calls for the use of "stop-loss" orders to keep all deployed units at or above 100 percent of authorized strength until new soldiers -- with a heavy emphasis on infantrymen -- can be recruited this year and next.

Currently, stop-loss orders, holding soldiers in the Army for between 120 and 180 days beyond their regular tours, have been used to increase overall troop strength to 493,000 personnel. Continued use of stop-loss will further increase troop strength to beyond 500,000 over the next five months, the official said.

But the Army plans to discontinue the use of stop-loss orders in 2005, with 10,000 recruits entering the service, the official said."

Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army's chief of staff, also revealed last month "that he has ordered his staff to plan how the Army, now replacing its forces in Iraq with fresh units, would rotate similarly sized force into Iraq in 2005 — and again in 2006.

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What this means is that they are putting bandaids on the troop/Iraq problem until Bush's presumed re-election. They are planning to discontinue the stop-loss in 2005!

Then they will reinstitute the DRAFT on April 1, 2005 (see activation plan at http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html) with the first lottery on June 15, 2005. First possible date if COngress authorizes DRAFT trigger.

All you people age 45 and under be aware there will be a Medical Draft and a Skill-Specific Draft which will draft computer experts, linguists and engineers, as well as any other occupation the DoD has a shortage of. All 3.4 million doctors, nurses and specialists will also have to register for the Medical Draft by May 1, 2005.

There is now no way for Bush to avoid resuming the DRAFT, so other than a Democratic victory, we can expect the first 20-year-olds and the others would have their birthdays drawn on June 15, 2005.

Who do you know who could be drafted in 2005? They would be 19 now and turn 20 some time next year...

[bluestateguy]

1. I just saw the movie "Gangs of New York"

It ends with the New York Draft riots of 1863. I wonder if a draft would prove so divisive that there would be rioting in the streets.

[Dems Will Win]

4. It would not surprise me

The protests against Vietnam were huge, often and sometimes ugly.

The new Millennial Generation would fight the DRAFT with all of their being.

[wuushew]

13. The bizarre end of the movie took atleast 1/2 a star off for me

Daniel Day Lewis's acting was superb however.

[gristy]

2. We may need a draft even if Bush gets the boot.

Don't you think?

[Dems Will Win]

6. Kerry has said he's opposed to the DRAFT

If the Dem were elected, the re-up rate and the recruitment rate would start to return to normal as mad dog Bush is no longer in charge, and by bringing in NATO and other international forces and doing a better job training an Iraqi force, he would be able to staff Iraq and Afghanistan with a new rotation in 2005.

He would have to share Iraqi resources, which Bush refuses to do. Notice the French and Russian agreements have so far come to nothing!

GOP/PNAC demands complete American control and they are building 2 enormous CIA complexes in Baghdad and Mosul and plan to be there forever.

Kerry sees the War on Terrorism more as law enforcement and Special Ops.

It would be a squeaker, however, especially if 15,000 to 20,000 were killed and wounded this year, which is possible.

Being who he is, Kerry could ask the troops to double-deploy to save the Volunteer Army and they would do it!

[stepnw1f]

3. Some people wanted to feel patriotic..

looks like they are going to get their chances after-all. I never thout I would see the draft reinstated...DUH.

To all you young republicans crawling around this site... now's your chance to be a "hero".

[aeon flux]

5. Who's to say Kerry won't reinstitute the draft

The neo-cons got no problem with a guy like Kerry in the WH.
He's skull & bones after all.

[Dems Will Win]

7. See reply to #2

[aeon flux]

8. Color me a hopeless cynic

Kerry will tell us whatever we want to hear.
His hawkish voting record shows otherwise.

[Dems Will Win]

10. Even if Kerry was forced to draft some due to W's stupidity, it would be

ten thousand, maybe twenty thousand at most and then shut it back down.

Bush would draft several hundred thousand men and the doctors and institute the SSPDS every single year to take over the world's oil supply according to the PNAC Plan.

Kerry would never do that--but Bush plans to. Look up the PNAC Plan to control the Central Asian oil. Kerry is going renewable energy, Bush is oil, oil, oil. And Cheap Oil runs out by 2011.

[Taeger]

11. Actually ..

I really am not enthused about Kerry either. But he voted AGAINST Gulf War I.

[RegenerationMan]

14. Kerry will internationalize Iraq and get the foreign troops in and ours

out! From the Kerry site:

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John Kerry believes that we must obtain a new Security Council resolution to give the United Nations authority in the rebuilding of Iraq and the development of its new Constitution and government. He would:

Transfer Responsibility to the UN for Governance. Kerry will go to the UN with a proposal to transfer responsibility to the UN for governance and the transfer of sovereignty to Iraq. The UN would succeed the Coalition Provisional Authority and the UN Special Representative of the Secretary General would become the overall international leader in Iraq. The UN would work with the Iraqis on the substance and process of the Iraqi government and the electoral process to give it legitimacy and to organize the writing of the constitution. Kerry cautioned that this cannot happen overnight and that the CPA will have a key role in ensuring a smooth turnover.

Build an International Coalition. Kerry will reach out to the European nations to build a coalition in support of operations in Iraq. He will eliminate Bush’s discriminatory contracting procedures and offer a genuine partnership of responsibility in return for a genuine partnership of burden sharing – troops and money.

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And here's a photo from his anti-war days when he introduced John Lennon at a rally in NYC in the 1970s:

IMAGINE PRESIDENT KERRY!

[Taeger]

9. Finally ...

Then they will reinstitute the DRAFT on April 1, 2005 (see activation plan at http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html ) with the first lottery on June 15, 2005. First possible date if COngress authorizes DRAFT trigger.

Finally, Bush has a plan to employ us unemployed programmers. Folks like me can be drafted. No doubt that those unemployed would get drafted first.

Honestly, I thought about joining the guard before all the intelligence frauds were exposed. I thought they did the right thing at first. We were lied to, and don't want to serve under a man as dishonorable as Bush.

If Clark asked me to sign up, I'd be down at the armory the next day!!!!


Hey that's probably a GREAT ploy. We need a registry of people who WOULD JOIN the army/guard if Bush was unelected!!!!!!

[Dems Will Win]

12. Actually they need the computer programmers to develop the 100 million

lines of code needed for Star Wars. No joke. Computer people under 45! They couldn't pay you enough to join the Army and program Star Wars?

Exactly!

That's why you will be drafted. And Star Wars is another stupid Dubya thing Kerry won't be doing and so won't be drafting people for!

[Taeger]

15. Nahhh

How could you finance war profiteering if you allowed the military to write it's own code?????

They would send me straight to signal core to keep all those "information awarness" machines operating. Thats better than infantry I guess.

I DO have that strange, rare skill that makes me too valuable for combat ... typing ;-) (Black Hawk Down).