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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:25 AM
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Roy Moore coming to speak in my state
After reading this quote by the president of the Montana ACLU, I'm almost tempted to check it out:

GREAT FALLS - Roy Moore, removed as chief justice of Alabama in a battle over a Ten Commandments monument, will speak on religion and government here Feb. 27.

He will be keynote speaker at a special Montana Constitution Party gathering, Party Chairman Jonathan Martin said. He said Moore will discuss the question, "Can the state acknowledge God?"

Both Martin and Scott Chrichton, head of the Montana American Civil Liberties Union, said - for different reasons - that they hope people will turn out to hear Moore, even if they disagree with him.

Crichton said people should hear Moore "because there is probably no better way to hear views that represent a significant threat to the erosion of the important principle of separation of church and state."


http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2004/02/17/build/state/75-moore.inc
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:29 AM
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1. Moore for president
We need to get him to run. He would siphon millions of votes from Shrub and guarantee regime change in 2004!
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Widgetsfriend Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:12 AM
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2. My question for Roy Moore is...
Does he believe that each individual American has the right to erect monuments on public property, as he did in Alabama? Or should only rightwing judges be allowed that right? Because if he thinks it's okay for each of us to go down to the local courthouse and put up a monument to our favorite cause, then things could get kind of crowded down there at the courthouse; but that's okay, because then the right to erect these monuments would be shared by all. Of course, Judge Roy Moore doesn't care a thing about what anybody else believes. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't think it's okay for just anybody to erect these monuments, which is why he's such a crock of s..t jerk and deserves whatever abuse we decide to heap!! It is the reason he was removed from his judgeship and why the monument was removed; he had no right to erect it on public property, anymore than I have that right. The precedent he was trying to set is mindboggling. He is trying to claim the public square for Christianity...but not all Christians. Only the ones who believe what he believes. He is a cretin!!
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:30 AM
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3. No
Roy Moore and others like him believe that they are privy to the truth. They believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Incidently so do I(to an extent). People believe things. The things they believe they of course believe are correct to some degree. In a less diverse society this is not a great problem.

Much of Europeon history is concerned with the clashes of homogenious cultures. Nations were of one belief and they clashed with nations of other beliefs. The churches held absolute authority over morality. Eventually increases in diversity forced a social shift.

Post Modern ethics is the result of this shift. It allows a diverse society to survive its own diversity by insisting that no one view is the right view. All must strive together to determine the societal path.

This is the social contract. That we all allow others to live and strive togethe to build a more harmonious society. This is what Moore and the others like him have broken. They have abandoned the notion that others deserve a voice in this society. They insist that there is only one path and it is theirs.

They are responding to the continued voice of the churches that brought about the Dogmatic Authoratative systems 100s of years ago. The Churches are still built upon the premises that gave rise to those ancient social structures. They consider their tenants as carved in stone. They are a fixed system. Unable to change without losing its identity. And they are churning their message into a society that needs flexibility in order to survive.
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