HOT! Much more on Capitol Hill Blue expose of Bush lie

[grasswire]

Tonight the freepers decided to investigate this Terrence Wilkinson, a former CIA analyst who blew the whistle on Bush's knowledge of the taint of the Niger papers.

Then Doug Thompson of Capitol Hill Blue got into the fray. Lots is going down. Here is a post of Doug's on his own message board defending his story. I'll be posting some other links.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t=000700

I thought long and hard about both the lead of the story and the headline but Wilkinson's revelations sealed it for me. The President was told the information came from sources they had determined were not credible and he chose to use it anyway. When you knowingly use incorrect information, that, to me, is lying.

I know the Bush supporters will try and parse this as anything but lying but the White House is gone into a frenzy of damage control over this. Bush was so sure the proof would be found in Iraq that he was willing to ignore the lack of evidence beforehand. I agree with Chas that this is reckless.

I had breakfast with a Republican member of Congress this morning and he said sentiment is growing on the GOP side of the Hill that the President has put the party in a difficult position by playing fast and loose with the facts on Iraq and again with his reckless statements that many agree have put troops in danger. John Warner said Sunday he wanted a vote on whether or not to send troops to Liberia and the White House ignored him. Warner is not someone you ignore.

Doug

[grasswire]

1. here's the FR investigative thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942488/posts

[grasswire]

2. Jim Robinson vouches for Doug Thompson

To: AGreatPer

Yep, Doug is one of the good guys.


159 posted on 07/08/2003 6:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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[grasswire]

5. Thompson characterizes himself a Republican

I stand corrected. I've never done a search on myself but others have told me that none of my political work ever shows up, even though I've been quoted in a number of publiations as a "Republican operative" or "GOP consultant."

Doug


112 posted on 07/08/2003 4:32 PM PDT by Doug Thompson
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[Terwilliger]

17. ANTI-Liberal by GOD!

sounds like some here at DU

[Cocoa]

21. and "TLBShow" sounds like some here at DU

attacking Bush for being too liberal, lol!

from the CHB forum:

Doug,

Great story and keep up the good work President Bush must have his feet held to the fire for his liberal left ways.

[RainDog]

3. So who is Wilkerson?

has the writer of the article on CHBlue explained who Wilkerson is, or why he was with Bush?

[julka]

6. it's wilkinson

from the article

An intelligence consultant who was present at two White House briefings where the uranium report was discussed confirmed that the President was told the intelligence was questionable and that his national security advisors urged him not to include the claim in his State of the Union address.

"The report had already been discredited," said Terrance J. Wilkinson, a CIA advisor present at two White House briefings. "This point was clearly made when the President was in the room during at least two of the briefings."

Bush's response was anger, Wilkinson said.

"He said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," Wilkinson said. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country."

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml

[julka]

8. if this isn't some sort of Rovian trick.....

how high is the sky?

cause this should 'blow up REAL good'

thanks to Billy Sol Hurok, and Big Jim McBob

[PurityOfEssence]

37. Yes, Blowed up real good

The boys at Farm Film Report agree.

[julka]

39. POE

what was the designation of the special failsafe receiver that was designed not to receive messages?

[grasswire]

7. Wilkinson...

...is really a former CIA agent. Everything Capitol Hill Blue said about him is true.

[julka]

12. do you have any inside info on this?

if it's true, why is there NOT one thing anywhere else about it yet?

how come the freeps know so much?

crest of the wave story?

what's his connection to that lying swine Robinson?

that right there makes it smell funny

[RainDog]

19. grasswire...

why do you say this about the guy? on what basis?

I want to believe this is true, and I want to know who he is.

while I appreciate what you say, I want to know why you say it..on what basis?

also, reading the CHBlue guy gives me respect for him.

I did not like Clinton using the "is is" crap...even though I also think that he was set up based upon his "flesh being weak."

I'd like to remind the Blue guy that what Clinton did had nothing to do with national security, war, deaths of American soldiers of citizens of another country, or have anything to do with an unprecedented doctrine which allows a prez to declare "pre-emptive" war.

it bugs me that conservatives, who so value privacy, do not make this distinction regarding the Clinton issue...it is another example of the hypocrisy of the right and their pandering to the tali-born-agains.

I don't even hold Bush's DUI against him and hated when people on this board commented about Noelle Bush's crack addiction, beyond the fact that her dad should have been kicked out of govt housing based on idiotic drug laws, and Noelle sure got a light sentence compared to other three strike crack users.

[julka]

4. thank YOU, grasswire!!!!!

I had a HUGE smile on my face, for about a second, as what this may turn into.

Then, almost immediately, it disappeared when I thought of all the needless DEATHS this fucking MONSTER has caused, and continues to cause.

HEY!!! Bill Bennett!

is not LYING in there along with your book of virtues....or did it somehow get lost along with the gambling.

looks like the junta forgot both of those, and I sure hope they pay the price.

meanwhile, the reporters are asking Tom Keane/Lee Hamilton if they think the WH is stonewalling, and whether they'll ask WJC or the Chimp to testify.

Keane says NO. not at this point.

Man, is that guy uglier than a pan of worms, or what?

[grasswire]

9. look at what Doug says on CHB message board

Yes, and that defector later flunked a lie detector test which, for some mysterious reason, was administered only after we overreacted to bogus information he gave us on several fronts. We have documented before that Bush was told the information on the African uranium was wrong and that if he used it he would making a claim that was not true. We have also documented that he was told the U.S. did not have proof of a link between Saddam and al Qaida and if he claimed such proof existed he would be wrong. Both times, he chose to ignore the warnings of intelligence pros and go his own way.

Dave, you are guilty of the same "defend at all costs" approach that Bill Clinton's supporters used to defend his actions. Bush may one day be proven right (if he's lucky ) but all the available information at this time points to the sad fact that he stood up in front of the American people more than once and claimed the administration had proof that it did not have. I'm starting to believe that if Jesus himself came down from the heavens and declared George W. Bush a liar, some here would jump up and say Jesus is just a liberal Democrat with an anti-Bush agenda.

I'm not anti-Bush but I am pro-truth and right now the evidence points to a President who has not been honest with the American people. The admission Monday is a classic political ploy. Admit some culpability in the hopes that it will stop further scrutiny. It won't.

Doug

[JNelson6563]

10. it sounds as though their arrogance

is catching up with them. I was hoping it would.

Julie

[Oilwellian]

11. Terrance Wilkinson will become a household name

He's the man who will testify against Bush.

[julka]

14. Terrance Wilkinson, say hello to.........

Alexander Butterfield

[Robin Hood]

16. He will destroy Bush.

But so will the 9/11 investigations, if they ever let it happen.

BUsh lied and people died, it's time to impeach the lying traitor.

[blm]

13. This is good...

I'm spreading this story. Thanks for the follow up, grasswire.

[ibegurpard]

15. Wow!

Here's a kick but I don't think this is going to need it.

:kick:

[julka]

20. yes it does.....more people are interested in Dusty fricking BAKER!

wtf?

[Cronus Protagonist]

18. I think it's becoming clear that WMD were not arranged to be planted

They didn't arrange to plant WMD because they believed that they would certainly find something there after they took over that they could spin into justification.

In other words, they had already decided that there ARE WMD in Iraq; therefore the intelligence reports were obviously incorrect or overly cautious, the UN Inspectors were, ummmm, irrelevant and after they've taken the country and offered rewards, interrogated the scientists, etc., they would be sure to unearth the WMD.

No need therefore to have WMD "evidence" prearranged in advance. They believed their own lies on FAITH. This is a "faith-based war", after all - in all meanings of the phrase.

The problem here is that Saddam Hussein had already destroyed all his WMD. He didn't need them any more anyway, particularly as long as his enemies thought he might still have some. It's all about deterrence, after all. And as long as his people thought he had them somewhere, the US thought he had them somewhere, the Kurds thought he had them, the Israelis, etc., he would be safe from attack and internal uprisings.

When Saddam Hussein saw that the US was going to attack even although they "thought" he had WMD, he must have figured out they knew he didn't have them because the death toll could have been horrendous if he used these alleged WMD. So he left the country and began phase II of his defense plan, his loyal supporters blend into the people and pick off soldiers to make the Iraq occupation another "Vietnam" for the US - the only situation that is untenable for a US administration, and the only method proven to work against a superior enemy.

Notes were no doubt taken from Vietnam and Hussein is easily able to coordinate the play from a hiding place. One cannot doubt that his loyalists will continue operating on their own as autonomous units even if Hussein is captured or killed. They'll operate in small cells much like the Irish Republican Army does today and has done for decades.

And here we are. Saddam played Bush. Now Bush has to eat crow and we've lost world credibility, 200 or more soldiers, thousands of innocent people, or "pawns in the game of war".

If the IRA, N. Korea and Vietnam are any indicators, this is only the beginning of a long struggle and a long series of deaths.



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[grasswire]

22. another post from Doug Thompson

You make a lot of assumptions for someone who bases his research on Google. I've known Terry Wilkinson for 20+ years and his decision to go public was a painful one that I'm sure will bring recriminations. But he loves his country a lot more than any political party or politician. I've received some emails today regarding his comments and have forwarded them on to him. It's his decision as to whether or not he wishes to respond.

But I don't feed anyone's desire for a witch hunt. When we ran the stories about Bill Clinton's sexual assaults on women, we identified a number of the women. I don't recall anyone at Free Republican demanding "proof" of their identity although I did have a number of liberal media types hounding me for more information.

I didn't pander to them and I won't to anyone else. I stand by the stories that run on our web site. You are free to read them or not read them, believe them or not believe them. It's a free world. We've been on the web since 1994 and we will be here 10 years from now.

Doug

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t=000700;p=3

[grasswire]

23. woo freaking hoo

This bears repeating from Doug:

"When we ran the stories about Bill Clinton's sexual assaults on women, we identified a number of the women. I don't recall anyone at Free Republican demanding "proof" of their identity although I did have a number of liberal media types hounding me for more information."

[julka]

24. Is this TGTBT?

when will Wilkinson speak up?

he surely knows that his life has forever changed, regardless what he decides to do in the near future.

if the media do their job the same way they did in the case of, say, Gary Condit (remember him?), this should knock Laci, Jon Benet, the Baylor BBall guy, you name it, off the tabloids for the forseeable future

and is Terry Wilkinson the same person as James Wilkinson?

how does one go about determining that, google kings and queens?

[grasswire]

25. agh, now the bushbots are hammering Thompson

The granny bushbots are sniffing and simpering and having a hissy fit over there in freeperland. I always think of Lily Tomlin's telephone operator, or Dana Carvey's church lady when these grannies start cackling about criticisms of *.

[julka]

27. more power to you, GW (ooh)

cannot stomach that place.

though the schadenfreude must be most pleasant

it's SO difficult to get one's hopes up anymore, given what is known by so many to be true (for years), and how little of it has gotten out to the average joe honyak.

I may have to have a pre-impeachment celebratory cocktail

akavit and fresca for everyone, jeeves!

[RainDog]

29. Wilson

former ambassador to Gabon, they guy who said Cheney send him to Niger to investigate and who said the head of the embassy in Niger said she had already told the Bushies that this info was not true?

that Wilson?

[julka]

32. NO! Wilkinson is the subject of this thread

he's the CIA agent, retired, who's the subject of Doug Thompson's article

an acquaintance of over 20 years, apparently

Wilson is the spark

Wilkinson is the flame

Wil+

kin+

son= Wil kin son

does that mean anything?

wonder if they feel a certain kinship?

[RainDog]

34. I was replying to the other poster

I got the name of the guy wrong in my earlier post, but I'd read this article before and know he's the one who was with Bush,

as opposed to Wilson, who made Ari tie his tongue in knots trying to deny that Cheney sent him to Africa to check on the uranium report..

..in case you were replying to me. if not, uh, nevermind. :)

[julka]

35. ok with me

I can only hope that this doesn't end up like AWOL

media seems much more interested this time, though.

lots of radio reports on it tonight. only the beginning...dare I hope?

also, reporters were really showing some spunk in questioning Keane/Hamilton about 911.

even Bob Franken, CNN wingnut shill, asked Hamilton if he thouguht the WH was being "recalcitrant" WRT handing over docs, making the investigation process more salubrious

[Rose Siding]

33. No. It's two different guys.

Wilson and Wilkinson. Wilson did the NYT Editorial about going to Niger and Wilkinson was quoted in the Capitol Hill Blues article as having been present whe Bush was told the Niger intel was bad.

[Cocoa]

28. what happened with those Clinton stories?

who is this Thompson guy?

[grasswire]

31. Thompson is the owner-publisher...

...of the Washington newsletter Capitol Hill Blue. He has previously worked as a Republican consultant and staff aide.

He recently wrote a piece titled "Madman of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue" that was critical of Bush.

[Cocoa]

43. I see the Clinton impeachment as where this whole mess started

And if this guy published stories of Clinton's sexual assaults, I'll have to assume he's part of the VRWC.

So I'll have to assume whatever he's up to, it's probably no good.

[RainDog]

26. the uranium lie is the issue

who can know for sure about WMD?

I know what I think is true, based upon some of the issues you mention, plus the special forces guy who said he knew there were no WMD when we used bunker busters (because you wouldn't use them and put WMD in play by doing so if they were anywhere near the threat Bush and his gang claimed...

and because of the issue of the life of the WMD...as in how long are they viable.

...and because Saddam didn't use them, while the military stated they did face resistance,

and because of the UN and IAEC's correct information about uranium, compared to Bush and his gang's lies.

but I will not say there are no WMD...especially considering that Saddam also had a strategy to go to guerilla warfare, and considering that Bush Sr., Reagan, and Casey no doubt had the receipts for those WMD.

I say a proponderance of evidence points to no weapons of mass destruction.

But WMD and the uranium lie are two different issues, and there is NO DOUBT for me, and there was not doubt before we invaded Iraq, that this was a lie.

As far as whether or not this is a "non-issue" for Americans, well, it is a big deal that they used this lie, even if Saddam is an s.o.b. because of the blowback in international relations, both with our allies, and with our enemies.

could Bush have created a better recruiting tactic for terrorists than lying to invade a secular Muslim country..and in particular Iraq, with its Shi'ite majority?

[julka]

30. along with the lies, the incompetence should be stressed.......

perhaps even moreso than the lies.

recall, if you will, what a HUGE deal they made about the lack of preparedness, the fact that the experienced 'grownups' would be back to DC, ready to clean up the filthy frat house mess in which Bubba left our poor, reeling nation.

Thank God for BUSH!!!!

he sure made things a hell of a lot better, didn't he?

it's the lying incompetence, stoooooopid!

[proud patriot]

36. Thanks for these updates

I appreciate it :hi:

[julka]

38. you can read the entire capitol blue discussion here:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t=000700;p=1

you must copy the entire URL, and paste it into your address bar to get there

[grasswire]

40. kick for the night shift (eom)

[Wickster]

41. Kick for the day shift!

:kick:

[grasswire]

42. one more kick

[ElementaryPenguin]

44. Kick!! Not sure I buy the debunking of this story!!

Kick anyway!