So after Bush loses, will we blame him for everything

[trumad]

like the Repukes blame Clinton for everthing?

[Bronco69]

1. Yes, but that's why we're voting

him out. President Clinton won his two terms. :-)

[Karenina]

2. Why not?

Works for me! ;-)

[TheDebbieDee]

3. I sure plan to blame him for the things that went wrong........

on his watch. And brother, is there a lot to blame him for :^)

[movonne]

4. YES!!!!

[FloridaPat]

5. I'm sure he will be responsible for all the ills for the next 25 years.

He has done A LOT of damage.

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[Kitsune]

12. As opposed to your "take the money and run" Republicans? *nt*

[Djinn]

13. hahahahahaha

you'll find that unlike freeperville people on this forum are quite well informed and intelligent. They KNOW what Clinton and Bush's economic record is - posting "democrats are worse" just isn't gonna cut it as an argument.

Perhaps you could try researching:

* how many extra jobs were created by Bush (after taking out all those lost)

* what the deficit/surplus was under respectively, Bush Snr, then Clinton and then Bush Jnr - who really has a good record on that score

* who's budget estimates turn out to be WAAAAAY of course 6 months later and then blames "9/11" for it, despite 9/11 having already happened some time BEFORE estimate

Happy homework....you might learn something

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[blondeatlast]

20. The fun happens when the Mods are getting well-deserved rest!

How fast can you type before AM on the East Coast???

Edit: apparently not fast enough. Note first post and edit time.

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[knight_of_the_star]

24. Here's the difference

Kerry will be able to PAY for that extra 1/2 billion in spending. And half a billion is ONLY $500,000,000, or in laymen's terms, 500 million. In terms of government spending, that is not all that much. Compared to Bush creating a larger deficit than any previous administration and a larger one than all administrations prior to Reagan COMBINED, I think 500 million is pretty tame.

ON EDIT: It is when you can afford it.

[BillZBubb]

15. So you prefer BORROW AND SPEND

with tax cuts for the wealthy and huge debt passed to future generations?

At least the Democrats are honest enough to pay for what they want to accomplish in government with the necessary taxes.

The right wing hypocrits just keep spending (they control all the government now, they haven't cut spending, they've increased spending). And they borrow to pay for it. That's immoral, but morality is lost on the right wing.

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[knight_of_the_star]

25. That's a crock

Considering your party allows for BS in the tax code like allowing for companies to LEGALLY report ONE income to the IRS and ANOTHER to their stockholders. Or how about giving government contracts to corporations that incoroporate off-shore to avoid PAYING TAXES? You can't even prove what you are saying. All of what I've said is VERY well-documented. That and there are probably less welfare cheats then corporate cheats, for one. For two, when ONE CEO cheats on taxes, it costs us MILLIONS. Welfare cheats collectively barely could even approach that, considering how little money is put into welfare as it is compared to tax-dodging.

[bvar22]

27. Can you handle the truth?

bush* hasn't lowered taxes, he has raised them. As the republican controlled government spends us into historical deficits, each citizen's liability INCREASES. All bush/republicans have done is to refinance this debt over a longer period of time with the corresponding increase in interest payments (guess who collects those).

When this liability is looked at in terms of collective debt, the bush" tax cuts shifts the liability to the middle class and poor, especially heinous are the elimination of the inheritance tax and capital gains tax. Unless you are in the top 1 per cent (over $230,000/year), you and your children received a rather large tax increase.

Quoting the 3rd quarter economic growth is cherry picking. I hope it is a trend, but most legitimate economists disagree. Even growth at this rate is not enough to replace the revenues lost to the bush* tax cut insanity.

This economic plan didn't work under Reagan (Bush1 was forced to raise taxes to avoid a catastrophe). Remenber "VooDoo Economics"? The NeoCons and their mindless followers have such SHORT and CONVENIENT memories. Those who do not study history are destined to repeat it.


If cutting taxes on the wealthy raises revenue, how many more tax cuts for the wealthy will it take to balance the budget?

[knight_of_the_star]

23. Oh really?

I don't think WE ever succeeded in pissing off almost ALL of our allies, sending the deficit spiraling out of control, and tramping all over civil rights, just to name a few.

[spanone]

6. Blame him and his administration for a preventable war.

[MaximumSammy]

7. Blame Bush

And how!

[calimary]

46. Welcome to DU!

Good to have you here among us!

[newyawker99]

49. Hi MaximumSammy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Taeger]

8. Only the things ...

Only the things he is responsible for.

But the focus should be on moving forward and fixing the mess. Then you can blame your successes on yourself.

[arewethereyet]

9. of course, don't be silly !

[lovedems]

11. It's Karma. We at least have to blame him for 3 years.

I just wouldn't feel right if it didn't blame him. Karma.

[NewJeffCT]

51. 3 years??

It will be 4 by next January and his reckless borrow & spend policies have set the country back at least a decade, if not more... not to mention, I lay responsibility for 9/11 and the economic problems after it at his doorstep (not for MIHOP or LIHOP - just the fact that he ignored Hart-Rudman, stood down the troops in Pakistan and pursued Star Wars over bin Laden because "Osama bin Laden doesn't have any missiles"

[cryofan]

14. That is how they do it in kleptocracies like Mexico

The president is limited to one 6 yr term. Afterwards, the old regime leaves with billions in their pockets, and the new regime moves in, blames the old regime for being crooks, and starts filling their pockets. Seeing as how we are rapidly importing the Mexican people, I think this procedure may soon be appropriate for the USA.

[blondeatlast]

16. No. We'll blame the flight suit, like the Repubes blame the penis.

[salinen]

18. He's given us no choice.

[Deja Q]

19. Yes, but responsibly

We need to do so, in a pithy manner.

However, we must do it in a way that doesn't make us look like we're making tawdry excuses, and we can't constantly do it either - even if it is *'s fault (which it likely would be.)

We need to show that we're looking to the future, to fix this broken country. Looking back on the past works only so far before people start to think "shifty blame game".

[camero]

26. We won't have to

Because hopefully and my better sense tells me it will be so. The economy and foriegn affairs will improve. I hope I'm right.

[bvar22]

28. Blame bush*, and the entire conservative doctrine of...

...government for the wealthy.

Also, the Vichy Dems need to be held accountable for their spineless cooperation in this abomination.

[Djinn]

40. agreed

and to be comepletely honest it may not be that much better under a Dem admin - dangerous foreign policy may not be such a problem but the Dem's are not cgoing to force accountability on their paymasters either - the "government for the wealthy" will still exist but maybe in a slightly less crass form.

Forcing changes to the multinational facism emerging is going to have to come from the bottom not the top, in Australia the first government to go for privatisation of public assets in a big way was the Labor Party.

[FrankBooth]

29. I prefer prosecution of the whole corrupt gang

simply blaming them for everything is not going to be enough.

[AgadorSparticus]

35. Independent Council for 8 yrs

I think it is only appropriate that the Bushies experience the hell they put the Clintons through. They need to be prosecuted.

[newyawker99]

50. Hi progressivebebe!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[AgadorSparticus]

53. Thanks for the welcome, NY99! I'm very much enjoying DU.

[Buns_of_Fire]

30. "...and then dickless, here, screwed up the country..."

"Is that true?"
"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."
(As Bill Murray might have phrased it in Ghostbusters. :evilgrin: )

Of course I'm going to blame him for everything! I get a flat tire: boosh's fault. An asteroid hits the earth: boosh's fault. A sparrow falls from the sky: boosh's fault. I have a less-than-satisfying bowel movement: boosh's fault.

I think it's only fair.

[trumad]

31. I see I brought out a few Bush Apologists...LOL

Boy old Dubya's gonna leave a huge mess for the next guy....

[Algorem]

32. Kerry would pardon him for everything.

None of that teacup-crying for him.

[demgrrrll]

33. Oh hell yes, everything and then some. There will be no limit

to the blame that can be assigned the mess he is leaving.

[MurikanDemocrat]

34. I think we still blame Clinton's penis

It's very powerful and mighty, afterall. ;-)

[Bake]

36. Frickin' A Right We Do!!

And a hearty HELL YEAH!!

Bake

[alittlelark]

37. Forget blame...I want the $$$$$ that was and is now being looted

from OUR treasury back. Now! I want an investigation begun as Kerry's 1st move in the WH, and US out, UN in. Blame means little to nothing to me - I want this situation RECTIFIED.

[Hekate]

38. Prosecution would be more like it...

...to the fullest extent of the law.

*They lied us into a war with Iraq and abandoned the search for Osama-Bin-Who? There are now almost 550 American dead in this enterprise, several thousand severely maimed (just to mention the most famous: Jessica Lynch may never recover full use of either her legs or her bowels, and she's one of the lucky ones), and uncounted thousands of dead Iraqis.

*Anyone remember Afghanistan? I've read that outside Kabul it's warlord territory again, and that farmers desperate for a cash crop to support their extended families are returning to the ever-reliable opium poppy.

*Saddam's an SOB, we all knew that, but he was a secular tyrant with no connection to the religious fanatics of Saudi Arabia or the Taliban; but now, thanks to Neoconservative wet-dreams of empire, jihadists are pouring into Iraq so they can kill Americans without travelling to the US. Brilliant.

*Adding insult to injury, Bush-Cheney Inc. have been so intent on taking care of their friends and relatives that they have given no-bid contracts to Halliburton. Halliburton is charging us (MY taxes) for meals, water, and tents not delivered to US troops. Halliburton's idea of good accounting practices is to bleed us out (again, MY taxes).

*US troops are being supplied and equipped very unevenly, to say the least. Some are getting what they need, and some are not. My sister knows one very dead 19-year-old who phoned his dad from Italy to say that his weapon was antiquated, he didn't have the right ammunition for it, and his kevlar vest was not only not kevlar, but was a leftover from Vietnam and missing some panels. He died outside Kirkuk in November. His parents would like to know if he was even able to defend himself from the ambush.

*Injured US troops are receiving very uneven medical care when they return to the US. Regular Army go to Walter Reed Hospital where it's crowded but they get the best, and the Reserves and Guard go to outlying military bases like Ft. Stewart and Ft. Knox where they wait for medical attention or rehab sometimes for months. Why? There is no real medical system in the US in place for Reserves and Guards, and no one in Rumsfeld's world thought to prepare for the wounded. You got that? They send our kids to WAR and they don't prepare for the WOUNDED.

*Veterans' health benefits are being cut waaaaay back, so when this generation of survivors need ongoing help for their PTSD, rehab for missing limbs, treatment for (or even acknowledgment of) exposure to depleted uranium -- it's going to be pretty hard to come by.

For all of the above and more, prosecution and prison seem about right. Corruption, war-profiteering, greed, avarice, causing great bodily harm...

These unspeakable unspeakables have been at it 24/7 since their first day in the Oval Office:

*trashing the environment (they want to drill for oil off my beach; they’re clear-cutting in old-growth national forests, deep inside so most of us will never see it happening; fouling the air by gutting the Clean Air Act),

*rolling back women's rights to about 1700 (from the first day in office),

*writing Executive Orders at a greater rate than all other presidents combined,

*emptying our national savings account (MY middle class taxes, not those of the Offshore Plutocrats) and sticking our kids with the bill,

*de-funding programs that are the very foundation of our culture, like public education and Social Security

*erasing the line between church and state as fast as possible

*shredding our Constitution and Bill of Rights in the name of national security — oh excuse me, I mean "Homeland" Security. And when enough people complained about Patriot Act II, they simply broke it into pieces and inserted them into other bills.

It’s as if there is some gigantic workroom full of gnomes that ceaselessly work on the Neocon agenda. I can’t keep up — I think most people are like me in that there’s just so much of it going on that one person simply cannot grasp it all: even just signing up for e-mail from action groups is overwhelming after awhile.

The Neocons simply intend to destroy the United States as we know it. There’s no other explanation that makes sense. I don’t know if all the harm can ever be undone, especially if Bush (p’tui p’tui) remains in office until 2008.

So, blame them? Only for what they’ve done, which is plenty. I’d love for their punishment to be a combination of prosecution for whatever laws they’ve broken, and outright mockery of Chimpy forever. I love the suggestion that the Bush Flight Suit could end up being like Clinton’s Mighty Penis only more so, because after all, the Bill/Monica bj didn’t get anyone killed.

Hekate

"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war." ~Donald Rumsfeld

"But why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many,
what day it's going to happen, and how many this or what do you
suppose? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my
beautiful mind on something like that?" ~Barbara Bush

"I guess the 'nation's grandma' isn't the grandma of those her son sends into harm's way." ~Hekate

ARLINGTON WEST, SANTA BARBARA CALIF.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Default.htm
click on the large photo of AW to go here:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Arlington_west_121003.htm
Scroll down the page for all the photos...

[mrdmk]

57. I hope you have vented enough

I meant to say, one could blow up if they kept this inside them!x(

[Hekate]

58. I guess I haven't gotten over it

Breathe, om, breathe, om, breathe
ommmm

[BiggJawn]

39. Why wait until he loses?

I'm blaming him for everything NOW.
War.
The Economy.
The rise of the CEO Robber-Baron (just like in the late 1800's)
Unemployment.
Low interest on savings.
Terror.
Cavity searches at the airport.
It's not just Parisians who are spitting on us now.
And many, many more things....

[VOX]

41. Hear hear!

There are signs now that some of the sheeple, at least, are finally waking up to these realities.

Blame *, blame him early and often!

:kick:

[POed_Ex_Repub]

54. Amen! n/t

[Solly Mack]

42. Only for the time it takes to rectify the damage he caused...

ALL the damage he caused. ...and if some of it can never be fixed..then well, I guess I'll be blaming him forever.

[tom_paine]

43. Sure! Turnabout is fair play!

I believe Bunnypants* is the reason for that corn on my toe.

[calimary]

48. I'd say turnabout IS fair play, but

it'll be more like fact. That schmuck has done so much damage to everything that is America, and to much of the world and our place in it, that turnabout-is-fair-play won't be the half of it. We'll just be telling the truth.

[imax2268]

44. After he loses...?

I blame him for everything now...!!!

[Salviati]

45. Hell no...

We'll be too busy fixing everything he done broke to be whining about who's to blame...

[LWolf]

47. I blame him NOW.

I blame him for the mess in Iraq.

I blame him for the loss of jobs. For the deficit. For the health care crisis. For the worst environmental record of any president in my lifetime. For destroying our credibility across the globe. For destroying my profession. For...forget it. The list is too long.

I won't forget.

[NewJeffCT]

52. maybe if Clinton had 12 years

He could have turned around the mess that Reagan left for Bush Sr and him...and, I'm pretty sure 9/11 wouldn't have happened or would have been stopped.

[locustfist76]

55. really?

You've got to be kidding me? No 9/11 if Clinton was President? These people have hated us for over 50's years. Who do you think killed Robert Kennedy? How many terrorist attacks against Americans occurred during Clinton's time in office? They also occurred during Carter's, Regan's, and Bush's time in office. They will continue until they have accomplished their goal. For many, it's one world under Islmaic rule. For others, it's the elimination of Jews from the middle east. For others, it's the removal of all western influences on the middle east. American foreign policy (both republican and democratic) has laid the foundation of hate that will last for many decades to come. What can change it? I honestly don't know. The complete removal from that area might be good for the US, but what about the rest of the world? Evil exist whether you acknowledge it or not.

[NewJeffCT]

62. I'm sure

I'm sure there would have been other terrorist attacks against US interests, but the special forces that were ready to go to hunt bin Laden were called back by the Bush Administration and we gave the Taliban a huge financial reward for fighting drugs... the missile frigates off the coast ready to strike at bin Laden were sent back... the Hart-Rudman report would have been acted upon instead of allowed to collect dust... we would have been concentrating on hunting bin Laden instead of concentrating on Star Wars because "Osama bin Laden doesn't have any missiles"

Let's face it, 9/11 is a colossal failure on the part of the Bush White House. I don't believe it was LIHOP or MIHOP, I just think it was gross incompentence.

Attacks would have been against our forces in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait instead of NYC.

[Goldberg]

56. Yes.

He's to blame why our country is a shit-hole right now. He's to blame why our relationships with the rest of the worlds suck. He's the reason why all has gone to hell all around the world. I hate him.

ABB 2004.

[Piperay]

59. Yeah, sure

that is apparently the new way of handling things in the 21st century, always blame someone else and it will be true too regarding the chimp.

[Skidmore]

60. You betcha...and we're even gonna blame him for

Clinton's penis too.

[11 Bravo]

61. Let's blame his penis.

Ummmm, does he have one?