American Association of People w/Disabilities

[raysr]

Opposes Voter Verified Paper Ballots! http://www.aapd-dc.org/ Half way down on the right. This blew me away! Does Bev Harris know about this?

[punpirate]

1. Yes...

... it's been a topic of conversation here and on the blackboxvoting.org site for a number of months now.

[RedEagle]

2. Oh Yeh....

And the ACLU and League of Women Voters- well, mostly not the ones in the ranks, the LWV stance was uncharacteristically handed down from the top, not what the League usually does.

Look for connections in the leadership to monies connected to voting companies or associates, if you would.

By the way, the American Council for the Blind endorses certain machines, including Avante and Accupoll, both producing voter verified paper ballots.

The agrument usually goes like this: "The blind would have to have the ballot read back to them." Huh? The blind would have the same audio review as on other machines.

And voter verified paper ballots protect the disabled, too, because the people using those machines will act as a fraud deterent, because they can catch a machine that has one thing on the screen and another on the ballot. If the paper ballots aren't right, the machine can be pulled.

With a regualr DRE, no one KNOWS if the ballot is right or not. EVERYONE is at risk.

The DOJ came out with a ruling that the paper ballot machines are in compliance with the ADA Act and HAVA, if they have the audio capabilities, and they do.

Going without paper is like asking people to make buildings without stairs just because a few cannot use them, and must use an alternate method, the elevator.

If you get outside of these organizations and talk with the real people involved, most of them get it and don't even know who is talking on their "behalf."

[raysr]

3. I hadn't seen it

before, just stumbled on to it today.

[ngGale]

4. Yes I read about that this week and...

it makes me sick. The vote is already being purged on more than one front. You would think somebody would stand up and talk about it.
But, the media and Janet's boob--deflection...

[OneBlueSky]

5. so who's buying off the leadership of these organizations? . . .

large donations in exhange for support, perhaps? . . . Diebold and associated vendors, perhaps? . . . pure specualtion, mind you, but I wouldn't be at all surprised . . .

[RedEagle]

6. Couple curious associations

Diebold had a run in with the NFB over their ATM machines, and looks like Diebold paid some money to the NFB, I think, over not making the machines disabled accessible. Question is, doesn't look like they changed the ATM's, and is Diebold still giving the NFB the money?

Sequoia is involved in some studies, mostly of the visually disabled organizations, in California, and voting. This would be PR'd as working with groups to come up with the best audio assisted voting, but that connection can lead to other things, too.

You are all welcome to investigate this as most of us are too swamped at the moment to get into it. Please post results at www.blackboxvoting.org, probably in the "You can use this" forum.