We need James Bath's military records now

[grasswire]

Has anyone ever requested them under FOIA?

Pull the James Bath thread, get a boatload of info.

The military record is a good place to start.

We need to have a PI find his old DL number, too.

[Taeger]

1. It will be VERY FUN!!!!

It will be very fun asking George W Bush about his relationship with BCCI figure James Bath. It will be as fun as asking about his relationship with Ken Lay.

Yes, it's guilt by association. But George W has never been one to avoid throwing mud as long as he himself stays clean.

BTW, I don't believe all this "hard to prove" nonsense about the Enron scandal. It's a VERY WELL publicized case. If you make it emotional, the jury will nullify the judges instructions and find him guilty.

We all know that the creep knew EXACTLY what was going on. I hope this becomes a campaign issue. George is VERY soft on corporate governance. Especially consdierin that George had 3 companies fail with him as skipper (Each time bailed out by Pappa's Saudi (Bin Laden) business associates (to whom James Bath owes his livelyhood)).

[boobooday]

2. You're right

ENRON ENRON ENRON.

Kenny Boy.

And he is asking for it, with his stupid "special interests" smear against Kerry.

what a joke.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[Jose Diablo]

3. That is the path IMO

I doubt Bath' paper trail has been entirely burned and there does seem to be something simultaneous about Bush and Bath during those years.

[Fridays Child]

4. Did Bath get a new DL number, like b*sh?

Now, wouldn't that speak volumes!

If anyone reading this has access to Texas DL datadase, Jim Bath lives at Simmons Bottom Rd., in Dayton, TX 77535 (per the directory at www.infospace.com). I believe that's the correct listing because, in an October 29, 2003, interview (published at http://sanderhicks.com/billwhite.html), his former business associate, Bill White said, "I think he’s at his ranch in Simmons Bottoms. He’s got a ranch out there with a landing strip and I see his airplane flying over every day so I know he’s still flying."

His full name is James R. Bath. The "R" possibly stands for "Reynolds."

[buycitgo]

5. that's right!

he and White are big enemies, yes?

wasn't there a lawsuit between them?

White was interviewed about it...linked here recently

[grasswire]

7. agh!!!

I missed that! Why didn't you tell me, BCG?

[buycitgo]

8. I just did, didn't I?

har

it was on a previous Bath thread, I'm sure....couldn't be too hard to find, espec if somebody has search feature here.

BCG?

just realized.....I don't have to work tomorrow

time for some fun

[buycitgo]

10. here's a start......go all the way down to White

nothing current, but hey

[Aries]

6. These are entirely legitimate questions for Scott McLellan and Bush

Exactly what was the source of the money that got Arbusto (Spanish for "shrub") into the oil business? (Thank the gods for "Scoop"):

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0208/S00148.htm

"...Mahfouz’s past also includes business dealings with George W. Bush, having invested $50,000 in the younger Bush’s first company, Arbusto Energy, through his U.S. representative James R. Bath, an aircraft broker and friend of Mr. Bush from their days together in the Texas Air National Guard. (Wall Street Journal (WSJ), “Vetting the Frontrunners: From Oil to Baseball to the Governor’s Mansion,” 9-28-1999)

Legal papers regarding Bath's contested divorce listed one of his assets as a $50,000 investment in Arbusto Oil -- Bush's first company. Moreover, Bath's business partner said he had no substantial money of his own at the time he made the Arbusto investment, implying that Bath received the money from someone else: "Most of Bath's investments....were really fronts for Mahfouz and other Saudis connected with the Bank of Credit and Commerce (BCCI)." (The Outlaw Bank: A Wild Ride Into the Secret Heart of BCCI, Random House, Beaty & Gwynne, 1993, page 229.)

Award-winning author and journalist at the Houston Chronicle and “The Economist,” Peter Brewton, consulted James R. Bath’s resume and wrote that in early summer 1976 Bath received a huge business break:

“Bath was named a trustee for Sheikh Salem bin Laden of Saudi Arabia , a member of the family that owns the largest construction company in the Middle East. Bath’s job was to handle all of bin Laden’s North American investments and operations.” ( The Mafia, CIA, and George Bush, Shapolsky Book Pub., 1992)

Shortly thereafter, Bath also began working for billionaire Sheikh Mahfouz, NCB banker for Saudi billionaire financier Abdullah Bakhsh. Meanwhile, George Junior’s failing Arbusto company was renamed Bush Exploration -- hoping to trade on his father‘s increasing importance; however, it was soon merged with Spectrum 7 Energy, as oil prices were collapsing.

While hard times continued for Spectrum, in 1988 Harken Energy Corporation absorbed the company, according to WSJ. And in return for adding the famous Bush name as a corporate asset, Texas-based Harken in effect bailed out the future president’s failing fortunes with generous stock options, a salaried seat on Harken’s board of directors, low-interest loans, and other helpful perks. < Harken Energy: George W.‘s Perfect Storm, 7-15-2002 -- http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00104.htm >....

[grasswire]

9. Question for McClellan:

Could you explain the relationship between George W. Bush and James R. Bath, both of whom were grounded from flying for the National Guard at the same time, and both of whom had their Texas Drivers License history concealed at the same time by changing license numbers? Could you explain those happenings as coincidences? And when did Mr. Bush most recently speak to Mr. Bath?

[buycitgo]

11. EXCELLENT question

wonder if your BF would forward that to the Trib WH correspondent.

never, ever saw him axe a question

[Crachet2004]

13. The new numbers probably came from the old liscense having

been suspended, like for too many dui's. Bush also changed SS numbers. But these guys both lost them at the same time? Don't they suspend operators for drug convictions? Otherwise, why at the same time???

Texas was always known, among drunks of the day (70's), as being somewhere you could get a liscense if you were suspended elsewhere...and yes, I am speaking from personal experience-though I didn't have to go that far. For Bush, it would be automatic that he got a new number without even leaving the state. No stretch of the imagination at all. But that there were two of them suspended? Why two? And why the missed physicals-the two of them? Drunks aren't afraid to pee in a bottle (unless they are drunk, lol) but a druggy is. But we know it's drugs, right? Or strongly suspect.

Was Bath rich like Bush? Old man Bush had to bail them both to keep Bath from squealing? Those two birds got burned for something together-and I don't think it was drunk driving. Back then, the states didn't check too much with other states. A lot of over-the-road truck drivers routinely carried several, just in case one got suspended. It would have been easy for those two boys to get another DL, in another state, without changing SS numbers and all that. Nope it's something worse, I'll bet. Something they wanted to keep in Texas. The cocaine rumors are true, IMO.

Is there anyone left alive who remembers him when he did his community service? People that run and work in those disadvantaged children type places are usually democrats. Hello! anybody out there? Anybody remember a little druggy named Bush?

[9215]

20. Bath could also be six feet under.

He does know alot about the Bushies.

File a missing persons report. hee, hee.

[9215]

18. Then cite Brewton's and Hatfield's books that links Bath to

Bush.

Scotty might just give an "I don't know" answer.

If the Washington Press corps could just ask this question then Bath's name would enter the news slipstream.

[SoCalDem]

22. They could have been busted for flying "plants" in Guard planes

although Bath made it to Major..

Bush admitted to sometimes flying plants in his f-102.. from Florida to Texas..


hmmmm wonder what KIND of plants those were.. The front "agricultural compnay" was a convenient front if he wanted to score some "plants"..

:tinfoilhat:

[DeepModem Mom]

12. Bath seems to be in witness protection program equivalent,

presumably self-imposed. Much more than the Guard must be involved here. What does Bath know, and why is he hiding?

[Stephanie]

14. What's going on? Did something new happen today?

WRT Bath?

[pinkpops]

16. Me too I want to know but

I just did a search, found this
http://groups.msn.com/WhatIsTheGovernmentReallyUpTo/thebinladengeorgebushconnection.msnw

[starroute]

15. I've been trying to trace Bath's path in the early 1970's

One big question is where he came from and how he got into the TANG, since he wasn't one of the rich kids. An interview with his former partner, Bill White, quotes Bath as saying, "I come from a poor background, I have no money of my own and this relationship with the Bushes and the Saudis is of paramount importance to me because I derive all of my capital and all of my business capabilities from that relationship."

Somehow, after his TANG days, Bath started moving in prominent Houston business circles, apparently thanks to a man named Jack Trotter. Bath went into partnership with Lan Bentsen, son of Senator Lloyd Bentsen (another of whose sons had been in the same TANG unit as Bush and Bath), and together they sold several large tracts of land to Trotter, who was the trustee for Senator Bentsen's blind trust.

Bath also formed a connection with Sidney Adger, the Houston businessman who had gotten Bush into the TANG by appealing to the speaker of the Texas Legislature. Both Adger and Trotter's names appear as references on a resume of Bath's dating to this period. I haven't been any clear dates for when these things happened, but it has to have been before 1976, when Bath started representing the Saudis.

Another name more loosely associated with Bath at this time is that of Houston real estate developer Walter Mischer -- a "Bush crony," business partner of Jack Trotter, and good friend of Senator Lloyd Bentsen. Mischer has said that he only knew Bath "just to shake hands with him," but there seems to be some question about that.

Several of the members of this circle were involved in the savings and loan scandals of the 80's, including Lan Bentsen. One particularly curious figure is a man named Robert Corson, who was Mischer's son-in-law and also a partner of Sidney Adger's son John (another TANG veteran.) Corson was involved (like many of the others) in land development, S&L fraud, and CIA money-laundering. He was found mysteriously dead in a motel room in 1992 while on his way to testify about the fraud and money-laundering.


I'm still trying to sort all this out -- in particular, I'd like to know more about Jack Trotter and his relationship with Bath. For those who want to pursue it, here are some of the links I've found:

http://www.webcom.com/~pinknoiz/covert/brewton.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/barnes092199.htm
http://www.krigskronikan.com/arkiv/bcci/Time%20Magazine%20-%20b28%20-%20A%20Mysterious%20Mover%20of%20Money%20and%20Planes--Bath%20-%20October%2028,%201991.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a389b6cef4189.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a389b6a173e33.htm
(Yes, it's the Freepers, but it's only a reposting of material from elsewhere, so I think it's legit.)
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0208/S00148.htm
http://sanderhicks.com/billwhite.html

[Jose Diablo]

17. There is a refference to Jim Bath in

Stich's "Drugging America", page 40.

It involves Cesar Rodriguez as supplying an aircraft through Jim Bath of Houston. This was in connection with drug delivery to Marianna, Arkansas in spring of 82.

We already knew Bath bought and sold aircrafts though.

But there is no other refference to Bath in this book. Thats a dead end. <sigh>

[9215]

19. Good find. Cesar Rodriquez is a name to follow up on.

Rodriguez is a common Hispanic name, but it may be a link to the notorious Felix Rodriguez alias Max Gomez; Batista's lieutenant who tracked down Che' in Bolivia. Ollie North's point man at Illopango; associate of Carlos Marcello

Bath was involved in Iran-Contra via Dupont aviation. I'll bet Ollie North knows Bath through Iran-Contra. Ollie may be somebody else to talk too.

Ollie was profiteering from Kevlar equipment that is a trademark name owned by Dupont I think. Some of this info is in the book "Dark Alliance" by Gary Webb. Ollie may well be profiteering from the Iraq war via the same product.

[starroute]

21. Follow the money

To repeat what White quoted Bath as saying: "I come from a poor background, I have no money of my own and this relationship with the Bushes and the Saudis is of paramount importance to me because I derive all of my capital and all of my business capabilities from that relationship."

It didn't even strike me whan I included it in the post above -- but how did Bath make his money? How did his relationship with the Bushes and the Saudis make him rich? Just knowing rich people isn't enough to make you rich yourself -- you have to be able to parlay it in some way.

So what did Bath have going for him? How did he build his relationship with the Bushes? Was he just a kid from the wrong side of the tracks who got into the TANG by happenstance, fell into being drinking buddies with one of the rich kids, and kept on going from there? Did Jack Trotter introduce him to the most exclusive Houston business circles because of his pretty face? Did Bush Sr. tap him for the CIA in 1976 because he was such a fine, upstanding young man?

None of this adds up. Either Bath was the luckiest man in the world for about twenty years -- and the unluckiest ever since -- or something else is going on that no one is talking about.


On edit: And, come to think of it, does Corson's mysterious death in 1992 have anything to do with Bath's disappearing off the map at about the same time? Inquiring minds want to know.

[grasswire]

24. thanks for the info

keep it coming.

I'm sending Corson's name to the Bush Body Count web site just in case.

[Jose Diablo]

25. If you plug Corson into namebase

ya get a real spider web.

[proud patriot]

23. Most Excellent Idea

bush and bath were the best of buds , peas in a pod
if you know what I mean .