Let's say that Georgie DID fulfill his Guard requirements...

[Vickers]

...with make-up days and everything. Just for the sake of argument.

Now: what kind of wartime record is that to brag about?

I see so many apologists in the paper today, and on the news shows, basically saying "Well, it's is kinda thin, but he DID fulfill the minimum requirements."

Now, even if this is true (and I don't feel that it is), is that any reason to be proud? I mean c'mon, the BARE MINIMUM, of VIETNAM-ERA GUARD duty (knowing the difference between the Guard back then and now). It's like he was filling a resume square, but without the added bonus of getting shot at.

That Georgie flight suit action figure should have "I squeaked by!" as one of its recordings.

[RoeBear]

1. It would change everything...

...since he never claimed to be a war hero.

[loudnclear]

18. But what does he imply when he dons a flight jacket and jumps onto an

air craft carrier. He started this image-building, now he is stuck with it. Remember, he said "I the war President."

OK He is the "war President" I don't want a f___ing "war President" I want a President of peace and prosperity.

[Bunny]

19. Well, he did say: "I've been to war, and I've raised twins.

War was easier."

Or something to that effect. So, yes, he does want us to think that he was a war hero of some sort.

[Onward]

2. Keep this issue alive

I agree -- I think at the end of the day this is more damning than the AWOL thing, as true as that may be. Bush and other rich kids were able to avoid the war, and they're still able to do it. Even though there's no draft (yet), how many rich kids are going to join the service so they can get a college education or learn a trade? And what happens when there is a new draft?

This is a potentially big issue in the US right now. It's about the privileged vs. the rest of us.

Also, it doesn't hurt Kerry at all. Remember, he was privileged, too, but he chose to do the right thing.

[underpants]

3. Unfortuneately this is more of indictment of the press, they won't cover

it.

What this really leads into IMHO is an examination of W's actual past and actual life. I didn't say re-examination because this was not discovered in 1999 or 2000.

IF people found out about the Arbusto-Specter7-Harkin years that would change their image of W.

IF people found out that he moved into the "ranch" in February of 2000 and only paid $587.-- in property tax on a $1.5 million house in a gated community (through special Texas property tax regulations) that would change their image of W.

Insider trading while at Harkin?

Where did he get the money to buy into the Texas Ranger ownership?

Why was he made director of the Rangers?

Where/how/From whom did they get the 750 acres of land to build the new "BAllpark in Arlington"?

IF these questions were answered that would change people's image of W.

[Karenina]

4. Is it time to resurrect

the Question W campaign?

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[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Question W?

So many questions, so little time?

It's not just his military records, it's his whole life. The AWOL issue opens up that whole can of worms that the press so purposely avoided in 2000. Now that he has shown the world what a miserable failure he really is, it is time to demand answers to all of these questions.

Here's some Question W links to help kick start this idea again:


http://www.questionw.com/






http://mall.globalfreepress.com/foundation.cgi/00063.html?id=sHfcp32d

[nostamj]

12. actually, I am doing just that

in connecting with the political cabaret i'm doing in NYC later this year.

you'lkl be hearing more here (and on the ?W homepage) within the next week.

[Karenina]

23. YES!

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[Racenut20]

5. These are good questions that we need to google the answers to and publish

[rasputin1952]

13. I have always wondered how, w/just a 2% share...

of the TX Rangers, he became a director? Were they that desperate to lose? Since EVERYTHING bush has touched, has been a failure, who would want this guy in charge of bathroom inspections, that would guarantee that the floors would be flooded, and turds would be running down the steps in the stadium!

The whole ANG thing, is based on bush's credibility. Even if unscrubbed records were made available, all records, why was there ANY stonewalling at all? What is there that makes this man, and those that surround him, so terrified of being honest? WHY must they LIE about EVERYTHING!!!!!?????

This is, the WORST administration this nation has EVER had.

O8)

[underpants]

17. "Because his name is Bush"

That is the quote from the man who was really the main investor (name escapes me) when asked just that-this guy couldn't find oil in Texas why would you put him in charge?

W borrowed $1.4 Million from a bank that he sat on the BoD of.....again why would he be on a Board given his history? Supposedly he paid it back and we do know that the group sold the Rangers and W walked off with ~$15 Million for basically going to the game everyday....but he didn't actually cheerlead for the team like he did for the BASEBALL TEAM at his all-male prep school.

[BillZBubb]

21. Bush* was the "rainmaker"

The Rangers hired Bush*, like everyone else who hired him, because of his name. They needed a frontman to convince the dumb twits in Dallas to buy the team a new stadium with public tax money.

Since Bush 1 was so popular among the ignorant shits in Texas, Bush* and the Rangers were able to use that to get the stadium funded.

Once the stadium was built, the value of the Rangers skyrocketed. Then the management sold at a huge profit, took their big gains, and left the morons in Dallas with a crappy team and a big bill for the stadium.

This is typical of Shrub's whole life.

[Hammie]

6. Being a pilot is dangerous.

Fighter pilot is especially dangerous. If he really was training as a fighter pilot, that takes balls. I would think if someone was really connected and wanted to skate through the war they would join the army and get a stateside honor guard posting or something like that.

I would say that if he really did fulfill his duty as required it would make it very difficult to impugn his service since even if no one is shooting at you, fighter pilot training is not for the weak of heart.

[Vickers]

8. To be a fighter pilot, ya gotta fight

Otherwise you are just a pilot trained to fly a plane that didn't see combat during the Vietnam war.

But I agree that flying a ANY plane is dangerous. More so when yer impaired, I gather.

Did he ever fly solo? There is a two-seat trainer of the F-102 (TF-102A), so the "The F-102 is a single seater, so he must have" argument holds no water for me.

[BeachBuckeye]

9. You make a ridiculous argument here

It take a lot more "balls" to go into the jungle and get your ass shot at than to climb in to a jet plane a do training flights. Every fighter pilot I have ever heard speak on the subject of fling military jets says its "better than sex." Lets not go overboard lauding Jr. for being a jet pilot.

[rasputin1952]

14. It does take courage to be a fighter pilot...

but it doesn't take "balls", just ask the female pilots in Iraq about that. They show more courage than bush could EVER muster!

There is also a huge difference between bush being a fighter pilot, and John McCain, or Adm Stockdale being fighter pilots. There is not much to worry about when you fly obsolete F-102's over the Gulf of Mexico; but 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton, under torture, shows me more courage than what bush did. Adm Stockdale received the MOH for his resistance to the NVA's attempts to break him under torture. THAT takes 'balls'!

O8)

[Toots]

22. He did not fulfill his duty as required ~ He was ordered to take

a Flight Physical. He refused that order and was grounded from flying as he still is today. He was trained at tremendous expense and just blew it all off for no apparent reason. He Quit As an infantryman I would hate to have to rely on a pilot who would just quit . I would probably not be here now as many pilots are responsible for that fact.

[Mari333]

7. Georgie 's policies (PNAC) sent my child

and thousands of others to a fraudulent "war" for nothing. his policy men created a war that killed tens of thousands, and murdered over 600 soldiers, wounded thousands, and all for
nothing
he doesnt deserve just to be raked over the coals..he needs to be frog marched with his PNAC friends out of the WH
in the meantime, I dont care if he stood on his head with sox down his pants whistling waltzing mathilda whilst juggling pretzels when he was in the Guard..
hes a criminal and a war criminal to boot.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Well said

Thanks.

BTW: Good luck to your step-son, I hope he's one of the lucky ones.

[goclark]

15. Exactly

I completely agree with you. He is a criminal of the highest order.

I say keep it up on the AWOL. He has sent our children to an unjust war and he wants people to believe that he is so honest. He is a lier and our children need to come home.

[rasputin1952]

16. ROFLMAO!!!!...

Mari, your description of bush put an absolutely hysterical mental picture in my minds eye!

Thanks for the laugh!!!!!:bounce:

Now, let's get this SOB out of OUR WH, and prosecute him for war crimes!

O8)

[kerouac]

20. Real Point is that he Lied About It

Whether or not he did anything illegal, the real point is that he repeatedly lied about it publicly (as recently as last week's MTP).

In 2000 he said all the records were released. Last week, he said the same thing. All lies. He and his handlers have had tons of records and he said they released everything they had.

This has to be turned into a credibility issue based on his public statements asap -- ie: this shows a pattern of GW looking right into the eyes of the American people and lying to them about things both small and large.

I'm sure we can find shrub soundbytes of him calling Al Gore a liar in 2000. His own soundbytes about lying should be used in this year's political ads..