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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 05:55 AM
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who buys music from Wal Mart?
unless its the only place within 100 miles
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:04 AM
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1. Not me
I would never shop at a walmart.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:45 AM
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67. ya'll gotta read and hear these sites
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 09:53 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
http://www.walmartdayofaction.com/home.cfm

www.walmartwatch.org

http://www.walmartyrs.org/

http://www.sprawl-busters.com/


Wal-Mart only moves in on its own terms. Far from spawning investment, the most profitable company in the nation asks cities and counties to subsidize its existence. The Palm Beach Post conducted a study that reported Wal-Mart has received at least $150 million in direct incentives from city, county, state, and federal governments to open 47 distribution centers in 32 states since the 1980s. < 8/30/2003 Palm-Beach Post> This number includes only subsidies that have been quantified in published reports. The study goes on to say that “the number likely grows by tens of millions when unquantified breaks . . . and ongoing breaks . . . are included.” Communities pay Wal-Mart to move in, but what are they going to get in return?"

A survey by the Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) in Midcoast Maine showed that local businesses contributed 44.6% of their revenues to the local economy in contrast to only 14.6% that a big box retailer returned to the local community. ILSR reports that big box chains like Wal-Mart increase costs of public services while investing less in the community. Across the country towns are reporting that the tax revenue created by new big box retailers is overshadowed by larger costs, particularly in the police force. In Pineville , NC a Wal-Mart was recently declined because it would have required hiring two new police officers at a cost of $120,000 a year but would have only created $100,000 in new tax revenues. In Pineville, commercial property accounts for 96% of all police calls. In Vista , CA , Wal-Mart has specifically been cited as a major contributor to a 24% increase in the crime rate. In Pennsylvania , one judge had to add two days to the calendar exclusively to deal with crimes at Wal-Mart.

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Blayde Starrfyre Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:12 AM
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2. God no
Wal-Mart would never carry the music I buy (that is to say, anything good). I got a gift certificate to Wal-Mart and sold it to a friend rather than buy something there.
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:23 AM
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3. I don't know
There's a WalMart here on the fringes of town ...I've been looking for a cd of the Fugs album that has "Group Grope" and "Kill for Peace" on it...I know it's been released on cd...do you think they have it or can order it for me?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:13 AM
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60. Why don't you go in & request it!
I'd like to see the salesperson's face when you go through the list of tunes.

Is that the album with "Boobs A Lot"?
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 06:38 AM
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4. After discovering the facts.....
I will never buy anything there. Ok,I live in a city. Until they destroy all competition. NO!
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Fitzovich Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:02 AM
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5. Please Don't
Buy anything from Wal Mart. Music or other items. Check www.walmartwatch.com for more information.

Thanks
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Alopenia Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:22 AM
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6. Sorry, I love Wal-Mart
As far as I've seen Wal-Mart has the lowest prices on CDs in my area. And the store is less than a half-mile away. Why would I NOT reward the most efficient distributor of what I want with my purchasing dollar?
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:32 AM
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7. Gee, why not?
Because you don't like to see local businesses destroyed, because you think people should be paid a fair wage and treated fairly in their jobs, because you don't believe in letting companies get rich by employing illegal immigrants, because you believe in primarily buying US, union made products rather than things made in a sweatshop by starving children.... Of course, maybe those aren't considerations for you.
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Alopenia Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:06 AM
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13. I like to see poor people get the most for their money
I don't know if you've noticed it or not, but LOTS of poor-looking people do a lot of shopping at Wal-Mart. Why do you want them to have to pay inflated prices? And about their selling 'products made in a sweatshop by starving children',I guess they would REALLY starve had Wal-Mart not provided jobs for them. Maybe you don't think third world folks are deserving of making a livelihood, but I do.
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:54 AM
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17. poor looking people?
I think i might be a poor lookoing person. Thats OK.
I economize.

I don't shop at walmart.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:44 PM
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tomorrowsashes Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:16 AM
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20. ????
So, I guess all those people in the third world were starving right up until good ol' Wal Mart, and its corporate pals, came to save them. Kinda like how all the Native Americans were savages until they got westernized, or how colonialism was good for the Africans.

If you want cheap CDs, you can get new ones for under $10 (incl. shipping) off eBay.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:39 PM
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:09 PM
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50. Of course not...
Unless the new Wal-Mart forces all the smaller stores in the local area to go out of business.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:42 AM
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:01 AM
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70. Tactics
Yes, Wal-Mart is cheaper. It gets that way in a number of ways. None of them good.

First off, when it targets a community it leverages the deal so that it pays no taxes. If the community resists its entrance it will find a way to end run them. Once it gets itself leveraged into town it typically then forces the community to upgrade the highway near it thus costing the local economy even more.

Once established it begins targetting local businesses. It sends scouts to local stores and finds out what their big selling items are and then underbids them. When the Japanese do this to our economy we call it dumping and attempt to block it as unfair business practices. But Wal-Mart has greesed the engine and gets a free pass.

Most corporations bank locally thus allowing some of the money to help build the local economy. Not Wal-Mart. They immediately send the money to HQ. They contribute nothing to the local economy.

Once the local economy dries up Wal-Mart pulls out and leaves them dead. This is the standard business model for Wal-Mart. Sometimes the cheapest price is simply not worth it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:24 AM
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:40 AM
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75. Sorry
I have seen too much damage caused by this particular corporation to be swayed by a few donations and allowing specific groups to use their area for money raising. They have been too barbaric to too many other groups and have caused too much damage. I understand your rational and believe you are unaware of the crimes this corporation has committed. I cannot blame you for this as they have taken measures to make sure you are unaware of them. Suffice to say, if you dig a bit you will find out what they have done and continue to do. And few bicycles will not make up for it.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:06 PM
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78. And you're vastly underestimating the ruthlessness of Wal-Mart
It's not a straw argument, just because you refust to acknowledge that it's true. When a Wal-Mart moves into a small community (say, about 10,000 people) the smaller stores that have been there for DECADES can't compete with the Wal-Mart juggernaut.
Wal-Mart's insistence on lower prices for everything is why Levi's doesn't have any more factories in the United States. When Levi Strauss wanted to have their merchandise sold at Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart said "no, it's too expenseive. You have to make your product cheaper." So LS introduced the Levi's Signature collection: cheaply made pants. Unfortunately, since they were selling at Wal-Mart for a lot less than Levi's Dockers were selling at other stores, Levi's couldn't make as much money as they used to. Thus, they were forced to close plants in the US and outsource their production to other countries. If you're wearing a pair of Levi's pants that you've purchased in the last year, odds are it wasn't made in the United States.
When a Wal-Mart opens up in a smaller community (less than 10,000...there's one opening up on Highway 23 in the middle of Minnesota) what do you think is going to happen to all the small stores within a 60 mile raduis?
Wal-Mart, in their zealous quest for "lower prices" is forcing factories to outsource their work to other countries, and putting a large number of people out of business when they open up a store.
Not to mention their anti-labor policy, their locked-door policy (when the store is closed, they lock the doors, and even if someone's injured, they have to get a manager to come in to unlock the doors. If they leave by the fire exit, they get fired.). Wal-Mart also used to take life insurance policies out on it's elderly employees, so when they died, Wal-Mart receieved the benefits.
All this information is easily researched. Wal-Mart is simply bad for America's future.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:10 PM
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84. Put simply, Wal-Mary is what's wrong with American today nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:47 PM
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:37 PM
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98. Here is the problem
Capitalism like many things is very functional within a certain range. That is there is a range of environments in which it is an effective means of enabling the population to solve the issues of distribution of resources and labor.

Every system has its breaking point. Capitalisms is at the high end where corporations start to take over the entirety of the process. The point of any economic system is to best serve the people. When the returns to the people begin to diminish that is when you hit the limits of the particular system in play.

Extreme corporatism gives rise to social darwinism. This is not a good thing. We are social creatures. That is we thrive when we work together and bound with each other. Corporations are abstract constructs that behave like living entities but posess different characteristics. Corporations have no social drive. This is because their only drive is accumulation of wealth and power. Humans have social needs that must be addressed as well as survival needs. Thus as corporatism takes over the social structure of human society is damaged.

Wal-Mart is a detroyer. It makes money by pillaging communities and dismantling local economies. Like a stock broker buying out a company to sell out its parts Wal-Mart approaches small communities. It has no concern about the individuals living therein. It targets the less efficient but socially responsible local businesses. These are the mom and pop shops that not only do business in the community but reinvest in the community as well.

Economies do not work just on single purchases. A dollar spent in a community can do a lot of work as long as it stays in the community. The dollar spent at the local hardware store gets spent at the local grocery store which gets spent at the local restaurant which gets spent at the local clothing store etc. Large entities like Wal-Mart make a business of coming into these balanced environments and siphoning off the flow of cash. Responsible corporations make sure to reinvest in the local economy. Wal-Mary makes sure the money does not spend a single day in the local economy. Their policy is to wire the money to the HQ the very next day. Their profit is made by destroying. Not by building.

This is just the tip of the icerberg of how Wal-Mart is bad for people. Its practices on nearly every front are horrendous and destructive. It is the dehumanization of our society.

Here is another problem. In order to compete with Wal-Mart other major corporations must begin to adopt their business practices. Either they do so or due to the nature of the stock market they will be consumed. I refer to this as the Red Shoes Dilema. No matter how horrendous an action it will take place in the business world and become the standard. Simlpy because any company that does not take advantage of every single thing will be consumed by those that do.

This is the problem with deregulation. The rights love affair with deregulation has let the genie out of the bottle. Corporations were harnessed to some extent by our regulations. But as they were cut free by the right the growth of the corporations took off like crazy. But it came at the cost of the workers and infrastructure. Like Casey Jones burning the rest of the train to go faster the corporations cut out our base and accelerated. When their own capital was spent they would consume another company and run on its excess. Now we are left at the end of the process and the corporations are going to consume the last resource. Us.

This is what Wal-Mart represents. Unrestrained Social Darwinism. Overwhelming financial power trained on our lawmakers. Regulations dismantled. People squashed.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:43 PM
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99. It is not callousness towards the poor.
It's a desire for more than the quick fix. The Wal-Mart fix.
I'm shocked that you haven't even bothered to do a little bit of research. Not all Wal-Marts are open every night.
This insistence on lower prices forces our factories to move out of the country, becuase labor is MUCH cheaper.
Please, do a little bit of research.
Read this article...it's been around for a while.

"The Wal-Mart You Don't Know"
Click Here

If you've read this article, you would understand how it's Wal-Mart that really is callous towards the poor.
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gander2112 Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:02 AM
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59. The point was...
not the people in the US, but the suppliers. Walmart is China's 5th largest trade partner.

The supplier has a dilemma, either they can outsource, reduce price and costs, or ignare the (by far) largest retail outlet in the world.

Do some googling of walmart and business practices. Some of the data out there is scary.

Geoff

P.S. I do not shop there.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:02 AM
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71. Will never enter a Wal-Mart
And stay away from Sam's Club too. It is owned by Wal-Mart Corp.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:42 PM
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82. as a matter of fact
Walmart more often then not replaces local businesses, leaving less choice of places to work for the local people. Since it is not a local business, the money that Walmart earns goes elsewhere, thus destroying the local economy.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:33 AM
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25. WalMart Is A Dirty Deal

Walmart has ruined the small businesses in our area. They pay less than minimum wages and are trying, and winning in destroying the unions. Those union people represent many of the so called "poor people" of our country. So they go to Walmart and save $20, they also don't have a job. I would rather spend $5 more and have a job and food for my family.

Question? How much money has WalMart given to the Republican party?
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:24 AM
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23. So you notice who shops at Walmart
Have you ever really looked at the people who work there? Do they seem happy to you? That's one reason not to love Walmart. I would take me an hour to list and explain the others and it doesn't seem like you'd be very receptive, so I'll just put it in a nutshell: Walmart is the embodiment of everything that's wrong in America and the world. I'd rather spend a few extra bux than feed a giant machine that keeps a lot of people down. But that's just me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:54 PM
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:25 PM
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54. You must have missed the numerous news stories
telling how Wal-Mart locks their employees in at night. A freelance computer employee tried to leave at 10pm and found he was locked in. A manager had to be called at home to come to the store and let the guy out of the store. He blew the whistle. Also, Wal-Mart requires their employees to clock out then remain in the store for a hour, unpaid. I need to find you the book written by a woman who went undercover, working at minimum wage jobs in America. Her experiences at Wal-Mart would open youe eyes. Meanwhile, try reading the newspaper. Wal-Mart has been vilified by numerous workers for their employment practices. Like hiring illegal immigrants for well below minimum wage. Surely you read that story? It was big news for weeks.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:25 PM
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 07:40 AM
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58. Go ahead and shop there
it's your bad karma. You can dismiss what goes against your calcified beliefs which alllows you to buy cheap merchandise. The charges against Wal-Mart are well documented and well publicized. You need to get a better news source, preferably a source beyond hate radio. Otherwise, you're going to continue to have trouble keeping up with the people on this board.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:56 AM
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:16 AM
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73. Here's the book you need to read
"Nickel and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreich. You're new here. You'll find it helps to ramp up. We have a "Cliff notes" kind of president. He couldn't even do his homework before invading a country. Being uninformed is not the best way to serve your country.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:56 AM
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77. Successful application of capitalism?


I think not. I live down here in Walmart country,so I know more than a little bit about them.

I DO know that it seems to be a standard hiring practice for WM to either hand out or even fill out a Food Stamp application as a part of the hiring process,because they know that with the piss poor wages they are paying,most of their applicants will qualify for and need Food Stamps as well as other public assistance.

I don't mind discount buying at all.What I DO object to is subsidizing profits for 5 of the richest people in the world because they refuse to pay their employees sufficiennt wages. If I am to contribute to Walmart profits,I would rather do it voluntarily by chosing to shop there,or not instead of subsidizing their profits with money that is forced out of my paycheck.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:07 PM
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79. The problem
with your defense of Wallly World is that you unrealistically reduce life to economic efficiency, humans to homo economus. To take such a recutionistic view of the world is too deny the limitations of that perspective. Economic effciency can't account for non-market values, i.e quality of life. Brute economic effciency is essentially un-democractic, one-dollar-one-vote rather than one-person-one-vote. Furthermore, economic efficiency is premised on twin false premises: 1) humans are privy to all relevant information when making economic decsions, 2) humans inherently act in their rationale best economic interest.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:18 PM
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92. Take the time to do your homework
read the book and then you'll know for yourself what she says. Your statement that "all corporations are evil and that all workers are, in effect, slaves" is fabricated by you. That's not scholarship; that's propaganda.(flap about her book at UNC? Really? Have a link for that info? I thought the book flap at UNC involved a text on Islam. (and reading was purely voluntary -- something hate-radio left out. Hmmm. Is that where you got your "news"?) Generally someone who seeks out flame wars by intentionally being provocative has anger issues. Perhaps you should seek help. Good luck. I'm not engaging in anymore of your road rage.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:36 PM
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97. are YOU joking?
You have to make a million dollars to see how the world really works? That viewoint explains a lot...
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:51 AM
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62. The employees at my local Walmart
are either crabby or act like zombies - even the greeters. Yeah, I've been there. It isn't a fun place to work. Maybe you're just too interested in getting an imaginary deal to notice.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:03 PM
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45. the reason I don't by music from them
is because you can only get the clean version of controversial cds.

In other words, the censored version.

No thanks. I'm a grown up.
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:16 PM
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46. because they just made a deal to show fox news in their stores?
:shrug:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:35 AM
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65. www.walmartwatch.org...check these sites out
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 09:39 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:52 AM
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68. I havent in over a year, and
the only reason I bought something at that time is because they were open 24 hours, and I wanted to get an album at midnight when it came out.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:31 AM
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72. i feel very sorry for you then.
personally I have too much respect for myself and my fellow citizens to even consider entering a Wal-mart.
But then- I had the benefit of a proper education, North of the Mason-Dixon line...
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pnb Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:37 PM
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87. What the hell does North-South have to do with this?
Seems like a biased statement to me...
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:08 PM
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80. the "most efficient distributor" is downloading for free
It's a hell of a lot more ethical than Walmart's business practices.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 03:23 PM
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100. Only the naive or the duplicitious would so zealously defend Wal-Mart.
Especially on a progressive board like this.

Which one are you?
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:40 AM
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8. Once....
But never again.
I live in a rural aera where the wally world is the only store in 50 miles. Used not to be that way, until the wal mart came and killed all the small local businesses.

Anyway , bought a cd a few years back, and found it had been heavly content changed without any warning on the cover that this was a censored version.
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:01 AM
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9. Won't do it. Never shop there.
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:37 AM
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10. I like my coffee black and my music uncensored.Screw Wal Mart.
I Don't buy anything else from them either.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:56 AM
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11. hell no.
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 08:58 AM by name not needed
why go to a different town when i can go to best buy or circuit city or electronics expo or fye or target?
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:31 AM
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12. Never. Ever.
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 09:33 AM by Enraged_Ape
Why the hell would I wanna buy anything by Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, or any of their 1,000 clones? At WalMart, you better like the status quo or you better shop elsewhere. And I do, gladly.

I ALWAYS buy my CDs used, preferably from a local used CD store, and if I can't find them there, from Wherehouse (where they have a huge selection of even new releases sold used, and where their $4.99 CDs are on sale for $2.49).
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:37 AM
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14. I buy nothing from them
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Hammie Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:41 AM
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15. I have.
And if I come across something that I like there I'll do it again. I shop where I get the best value period. Just as I didn't cry when big supermarkets arrived with a better business model and put the small grocer out of business I wont cry if Walmart shows up and puts some other less efficient retailers out of business.

F'n Hell! I thought we were progressive. You know as in progress, which implies change. If new businesses didn't displace old businesses, things would never change. So some guy gets rich supplying goods to the underclass that we are supposed to care so much about and just about every one here thinks his company is evil incarnate.

People shop there because it is the best alternative available to them. If you don't like it why not offer a better alternative instead of criticizing their choice.
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:02 AM
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18. Wow - you've got it figured out
better business model = illegal immigrate workers, slave labor, worker intimidation, overtime without pay -all for a few cents off retail

underclass = walmart shoppers

best alternative available = walmart
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:57 AM
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30. I think that Walmart is becoming more of a convience
People just assume that everything is cheaper there without checking out other stores. Some items are cheaper. Some are not but people buy them there anyway. As I said on this thread, Best Buy is cheaper for music than our Walmart as they are with most other entertainment. There are usually places to buy better quality clothes and shoes for lower prices than Walmart especially if you buy during sales. There is a Wisconsin chain called Woodman's that sells most groceries cheaper than Walmart. Many towns have various stores that sell some items cheaper than Walmart and provide help if you need it. In the town I live in, for example, there is an inexpensive card shop. A small family owned store in a nearby town that recently went out of business, sold gardening supplies cheaper than Walmart but had a difficult time convincing people of that.
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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:26 PM
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96. "less efficient retailers"...I guess as a result of not
controlling production of the goods they sell, or control transportation and distribution of these goods as well. It's all by design and plan to eliminate and destroy. Change is not always for the best.
As I think back on good ol' Sam Walton's story of rags to riches I remember a story of vengeance. I guess Wal Mart execs have never gotten over the taste of blood.
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Tripper11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:45 AM
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16. Oh, you're serious? LOL
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 10:45 AM by Tripper11
I thought this was the lounge and one of them joke threads.

Never have, never will.
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trifidpath Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:09 AM
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19. Never
I would never shop at Wal Mart. It destroys small business' and they think their prices are so low, when they arn't. There is a Super Wal-Mart being built down the street. Even if it was the only store within 100 miles, I still wouldn't do it. I would shop Amazon or Target.direct.
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:18 AM
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21. I do - bite me.
Telling me where I can and can't shop seems so ... so ... fascist to me.
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:21 AM
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22. you are quite the rebel
fight fascism!!! shop at walmart!!!
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:53 AM
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29. maybe you should look at WHY people say not to shop there
instead of childishly just doing the opposite of what you've heard.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:30 AM
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24. No, only convience items
Since my driveway is closer to Walmart than their further parking spots, I admit to going there for snacks, medicine, toiletries, and cleaning supplies especially if we need them in the evening when everything else in this town closes so early.
Although we don't have other stores that sell cds, we do live about 25 miles from a bigger city with several stores that sell them at equal or lower prices than our local Walmart. They have better selections too.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:43 AM
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26. hell no
Wal Mart doesn't even sell the music I like anyway. Even if they did it'd be edited. super lame.

If I didn't have independent record stores in this town I'd probably buy CDs at Best Buy, at least they actually have a pretty good selection (a lot more than the top 40 bullshit which is all Wal Mart has)
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:47 AM
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28. Best Buy is usually cheaper than our Walmart
Maybe, they sell cds cheaper at Walmarts in towns where there is competition. Here Walmart is usually more expensive than Best Buy and Best Buy does have a very good selection.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:47 AM
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27. Hell No! They censor CDs.
It's like the Kidz Bop version of everything. Even if Walmart weren't evil, I can censor my own music, thank you.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:59 AM
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32. who BUYS music at all? What, you never heard of Usenet?
get teh agent newsreader and get to downloading--no risk of lawsuit!
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:12 PM
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33. Thank god for internet shopping...
This way I can get my music the way I like it...uncensored...!!!

I don't need some big mega corporation telling me what words and phrases I can and cannot hear.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:31 PM
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34. Worse selection in the world.
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:49 PM
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35. what is this wal-mart of which you speak?
elucidate oh denizen of Suburbia!

;)

no i don't. there isn't even a walmart within 20 miles of where i live, and i still wouldn't buy from there even if there was.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:00 PM
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36. My local independant shop or Amazon.
J n'L CDs is a HUGE shop. They amaze me with their selection. for the really odd stuff, there's Amazon. I have a co-worker who's been burnt several times buying music on eBay, I won't go there.

Wally World sell crap "music".
I did buy a Dixie Chix album there just to "stick it" to them.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:40 PM
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38. Well...
that's it...I either use Amazon or I go to Zia's in Tempe...
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:41 PM
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39. I've never even been in a Wal-Mart
where have i been?
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:43 PM
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40. Not me...I never liked the Osmond Brothers anyway....
WalMart SUCKS!!!!!


David
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:53 PM
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42. I don't think I've ever paid full retail for a CD
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 07:54 PM by depakote_kid
and I have over 1,000 in my collection. Occasionally I've gone to Best Buy or Circuit City, where they sell new titles at "loss leader" discounts to get people into the store. The overwhelming number of my CD's come from locally owned used CD stores. It takes a little more time to get your music that way, but it beats paying more AND supporting national chain stores whose profits are sucked up by parasites on Wall Street.

As far as Walmart goes, I've been there exactly once and only then because I had no alternative at the time- which incidently, is EXACTLY what Wallmart wants market conditions to look like in EVERYONE's community.
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screwfacecapone Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 07:58 PM
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44. nope
I sure don't, unless it's something I can't find anywhere else (like the WWE anthology). I'm into hip hop mostly, and there is a local store (2 live music) that sells it.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:23 PM
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47. The only store with music in my town. I hate it though, their...
selection is horrible. I was thinking about trying to start a Record store but I have no money to do it. It really sucks because there is the perfect space that is vacant right downtown.

:(
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:53 PM
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48. Nope,
I usually buy nothing from them. My problem with Wal Mart is that when a new Stupor Center moves into an area, they intentionally sell items below their wholesale cost to undercut the competition. This causes small business owners and their employees to lose decent jobs. Wal Mart has low prices? Look into it and caveat emptor with most of their merchandise. Wal Mart has proprietary electronics and small appliances that are manufactured to lower standards to save production costs. Often, the models they carry are only available in Wal Mart stores, meaning there's no service available for much of their product offerings.
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Gothic Sponge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 09:15 PM
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49. EVEIL!
It's not just about walmart monopolizing over small businesses. Yes, walmart has low prices, but it's because they force many of their suppliers to cut costs to work with walmart. So, they pay their employes crap as well. Okay, Walmart has low prices, but it doesn't take an economist to figure out their goal of domination. Once they have killed off all of their competition you can bet they will raise their prices.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:13 PM
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51. No, I prefer uncensored albums
n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:17 PM
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52. I haven't been to WalMart in ages, and I won't go
if there is any way to avoid it. They are unpatriotic. They don't pay decent wages or benefits, but want the taxpayers to cover their sick and injured employees' medical care. It's obscene because they can afford to pay benefits.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:19 PM
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53. Don't patronize Wal Mart
and have you tried to find Monteverdi's Magnificat at Wally World?
I go to the Music Box where some are members of the ABQ Symphony Orch and even some European titles aren't imported.
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 10:39 PM
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55. I drive 24 miles out of my way to avoid wal mart.
Its kinda hard for me to boycott walmart but I do.
I live in a small town where theres walmart and one other grocery store and a hardware store.If I want anything not at those two other stores I have to drive at least 30 miles one way.Its worth it !!If I want a cd I buy it off ebay .
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:39 PM
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81. You are polluting our atmosphere with your auto emissions
.
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Gung_Fu Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:42 PM
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57. No,no,no,no,no, oh and no.
Wal Mart happens to be lacking too much in the ethics department, plus they carry a lot of crap.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:28 AM
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61. I prefer Cactus records
Here in Houston. They carry local & regional artists, along with a broad selection of everything else. New releases are usually discounted & they have a big selection of used CD's. Saint Arnold's (Houston's microbrewery) usually supplies a keg or 2 at frequent "in-store" performances. Does WalMart offer free beer?

Other stores have better classical selections. Then, there's Amazon; and I've only begun to plumb e-bay for music.

I always avoided WalMart as ugly & depressing--before I knew about their corporate practices.

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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:00 AM
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63. Who shops at WalMart? My wife and I boycott them because
they hurt some nice local businesses and tore up some of the environment to put in this ugly store when the town had vacant space all over the place.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:33 AM
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64. i buy absolutely NOTHING from WalMart
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:03 PM
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83. I try not to shop at places that starve out small Busniess
And wall mart is deffanlty on the top of that list..
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:11 PM
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85. I don't buy ANYTHING from Wal-Mart
I live in a small town and the results of WalMartization surround me daily.

F*CK WAL-MART!
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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:26 PM
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86. Not at gunpoint. I was a retailer for fifteen years.
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 01:43 PM by Dees
I watched our downtown shops, one after another, close and board up.
My customers would come in and say "gee, I see the little shop I love on the corner is closing. I hate to see it go". "Well, he told me he can't compete against Wal Mart any longer. They're selling below his cost" I said. (Look of stunned guilt and silence)
We lost our 110 year old hardware store, corner markets, clothing stores, photo shops, shoe stores, grocery store, Big K, floral shops, sporting goods, tire shop, paint store and hobby shop. Having known most of these merchants personally I can sum it all up in a nutshell..Super Center. Watch a smaller community acquire a Super Center and begin to time the deterioration of the downtown area. You can set your watch by it.
When the local Wal Mart was upgraded (smirk) to a Super Center groceries were added along with many other departments. The meat department had butchers cutting and wrapping. Butchers in three states decided to have a referendum on collective bargaining. Just like that the butchers were all terminated and Thomas E. Wilson case ready meats were brought in.
I was actually approached by buyers(thugs)from Wal Mart in Bentonville to supply the local Super Center. I refused. The thugs continued after me, beating me up on price and availability. I finally told them, "listen you sons a bitches, I am not supplying you at any price under any circumstances." That pretty well did the trick.

edit.. I'm going to add another victim..The best little bakery in the world. She told me her margins were slim to begin with. The hustle and worry of keeping up with Wally just wasn't worth it. She retired but not out of choice.
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sallydallas124 Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:59 PM
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91. Yuck
I won't shop at Wal-Mart just as I won't shop at any other store if I know it's run by jerks.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:19 PM
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93. Walmart will eventually go the way of K-Mart
The sooner, the better.
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:20 PM
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94. NASCAR dads
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