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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:16 PM
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BBV: "You're Gonna Get a Visit"
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 02:19 PM by BevHarris
Andy Stephenson and I have just concluded a four-day blitz in California, where we made nine "visits."

Stephenson (at DU, his handle is "Gbnc") began working with Black Box Voting as a fact-checker, and as you all know, his work has been wonderful and his leadership as a citizen is truly inspirational. Despite the fact that it is Stephenson who has developed some key stories (on the five felons story, I dug up the first three and he brought the last two to my attention, and hooked us up with the source documents) -- well, despite this, the press consistently omits his name.

As most of you know, I went through this myself for many months. The press would interview me for hours -- sometimes days -- and I would provide all their source documents and a writeup. They'd use my material and strip out my name. Now, they are covering my name and stripping out Andy's. Therefore, I have arranged to get Andy the coverage he deserves by putting together a regular investigative column under the byline "Harris & Stephenson" -- where we will regularly bring fresh news, often breaking important stories as we have in the past -- and it will be darned hard for the media to ignore his name. It took me nine months to get them to consistently credit the stories to me when I broke them, and after watching them omit the name Stephenson for two months, I'm gonna short-cut the procedure. Thus, the byline.

Now for the fun: Go to the lead story at http://www.blackboxvoting.org and you'll see the first Harris & Stephenson You're Gonna Get a Visit column.

Also, we have an important announcement that was supposed to hit 2 weeks ago, then Friday, and due to circumstances beyond our control, is now delayed until Tuesday. But it's a good one. Sorry.

Bev Harris
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:33 PM
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1. Check out this quote...
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 02:34 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
"So, what we have is a touch-screen machine that is not touched, scrolling for the jackpot, making Pac-Man noises, which we are not allowed to videotape, nor, we discovered, to watch either."



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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:18 PM
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11. Whoa
I can't say it enough, you are a true patriot.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:35 PM
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2. That's great news, Bev!
Thanks so much for keeping us informed about what's going on with this! And thanks for all you're doing, and all you've done.

If all this work ever does get our Democracy back, we will have the likes of you & the BBV patriots to thank.

This is going to be in the history books...and they're going to use ALL the names of those who actually saved our Democracy on this activist issue.

Please let us know when the "new" news breaks!

O8) Prayers for your success and safety! O8)

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:41 PM
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3. A real American hero
A true patriot! Thanks for all your hard work!

Jeanette
http://www.wgoeshome.com

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:57 PM
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4. a kick.....
...for America's sweetheart, Bev Harris, whose name will be revered as a watchdog for democracy.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 03:00 PM
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5. go and read that article!

great work Bev and Andy!
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 03:45 PM
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7. Woo hoo!!!
And Andy is even getting on those flying machine things! Way to go, guy!!!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 03:44 PM
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6. Here are the highlights:
Friday 13 2004
You're Gonna Get a Visit: Mischelle Townsend, Registrar of Voters, Riverside County, CA

1. We found the Riverside Elections Division to be inappropriately obstructive, secretive, and nonresponsive.

2. The Sequoia touch-screen L&A test was so absurd that we are calling for a volunteer to create a simple animated presentation of it so that the 650,024 Riverside voters who did not attend can see the silly thing.

3. Mischelle Townsend — You've Gotta Be Replaced. Ms. Townsend is overly reliant on an L&A test that runs like a Las Vegas slot machine, and she sees absolutely no need for running even simple audit reports like getting a printout at the polling place.

Obstructive, secretive and nonresponsive

On Friday 13 Feb, 2004, Riverside County, California held a public "Logic & Accuracy" test. Well, as minimally public as possible, perhaps. The Republican party was missing.

We spoke with members of the Green Party and the Libertarian Party, who told us they believe their respective parties received no notification. The Democratic party was represented. There was no notice on the Riverside Elections Division Web site, and from the tiny attendance, we wonder whether any notice was printed in the newspaper. We are therefore doing a public records request to examine the notifications sent by Townsend to invite the public and the political parties to this public test.

One or two citizens were quietly touching votes into 10 Sequoia machines. Jeremiah Akin asked how these 10 machines were chosen, and was informed by the Riverside Elections Division that they were randomly chosen. Yes, folks, what we witnessed on Friday the 13th was a remarkable statistical anomaly then, because of the 10 "randomly" chosen machines, we were then told that five were actually from the same precinct, and there are 4,200 Sequoia touch-screen machines in Riverside County.

After the handful of citizens practiced entering votes, the really silly part began. It was announced that we were now going to begin the automated L&A test, which supposedly proves that these machines are accurate. If we can get a volunteer animator for this, here is exactly what it looks like — we would love to get a link to an animation to e-mail around the country.

The technician goes up to the machine and invokes the automatic L&A program. It ostensibly counts a large number of votes with no touching involved. When activated, the screen displays votes scrolling by so rapidly they look very much like the cherries, bars and bells on a Las Vegas slot machine — the difference being that this wild scrolling does not stop for an hour. During this time, the program makes a Pac-Man noise. Stephenson will post a recording of this noise for any volunteer animators. So, what we have is a touch-screen machine that is not touched, scrolling for the jackpot, making Pac-Man noises, which we are not allowed to videotape, nor, we discovered, to watch either.

"It is time to leave the room," Townsend announced. While the machines performed their video game magic, we dutifully trooped into another room for a brief question-and-answer period, where most questions were not welcome.

Questions and Answers

Townsend announced (for the second time, actually), that she would not be answering the questions provided by Jeremiah Akin, a computer programmer. Several attendees asked if she would answer them by mail and provide copies for each of us.

Jeremiah Akin: "The last time I was here Brian Foss told me that that was an Access database, but the Jaguar representative says it is not."

OK, again, picture this. We are now talking about the tabulation machine for Riverside's DFM optical scans, which runs on Windows. We observed the computer; on it was a screen which contained a vote report. This screen was a Microsoft Access screen, with the little maroon key icon on it, and two more Microsoft Access windows were minimized at the bottom of the screen. No, we absolutely do not use Microsoft Access, the tech said, "That is just an interface. It is a relational database." Stephenson said if it is not Access, then what is the database exactly that you are using, and was told that is a proprietary secret.

We then were taken back to the room where the machines were touching themselves, and given a printed list of numbers which, they said, "proved" that the machines counted correctly.

Following the meeting, Harris explained to Townsend that she had signed in with her legal, married name, and that her authorship was under the name Bev Harris. Townsend then went to get the security guard (for the second time) and ordered Harris out of the building on the grounds that she had lied about her name. Harris pointed to Chapter 1 in Black Box Voting, which gives her legal married name.

As everyone began leaving, Townsend apparently ordered the security guard to follow Stephenson and Harris out of the building. He was kindly and quite friendly, saying quietly, "I'm just doing my job, you know. I hope the two of you have a really nice trip."

We will. More people are gonna get a visit!


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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 03:59 PM
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8. Oh so they run a "test" but you are not allowed to see the questions,
or the way the answers came about. All you see is the answers which have recieved a passing score. Makes sense.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 04:07 PM
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9. in a 'test' scenerio

should there be a RECORD of what the test voters are VOTING?

call it an "affidavit of voter intent" (AVI) since they are not 'real' votes, it would make no difference if the test voters' "votes" were known.

if a 'test' is successful, the tally of the AVIs would be IDENTICAL to the machine tally.

from this account, i can't figure out what the test tested or why any result should be taken as proof of accuracy.

if they have no idea WHAT was entered, how can accuracy be judged?

:shrug:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:09 PM
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10. Because....
...nostamj,

It's an "Auto-Wonderful" machine.

It can tell how you would have voted on that little old test so you don't have to.

Now, soon in the future, you won't have to even touch the screen yourself, the machine will divine your voting intent.

(Actually, the only reason to run an auto-test is to make sure you get an auto-pass. To really test these machines accuracy would take paper and a lot of touch screening by honest observers)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:22 PM
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12. but but but.............

if the machines already know the will of the majority of voters...

can we ask * to LEAVE NOW?
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:24 PM
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13. Great work guys
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 08:25 PM by BEFOREATHOUGHT
:yourock:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 08:27 PM
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14. Riverside County, CA
you can read the whole thing on the www.blackboxvoting.com homepage
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 09:48 PM
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15. Kick!
:kick:
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 10:52 PM
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16. From one Bev to Another
Double Kick!!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:07 AM
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17. I'm impressed!
Good going Andy and Bev.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:40 AM
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18. Stephenson is running for office right? If so, that's why the press won't
give him publicity.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:58 AM
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19. You all really have to read this one
How a public official really feels about voter involvement in the voting process, uh, er, gee, I thought voting WAS about people....
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:59 AM
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20. that is right
I am running for office and that is why I cannot get press.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 04:45 PM
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21. Back up
Kick!
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 08:33 PM
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22. The Whole L & A Test is a Joke, But You Already Knew That
It's like asking someone to take a test, and then grade it themselves, and the test was marked in #2 pencil.

And the someones taking the test have a LOT riding on the outcome.

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:03 AM
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23. Ms Townsend clearly...
had something to hide.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:59 AM
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24. Questions- Curious-
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 10:02 AM by soup
What questions should be asked at an L&A test? What should be noted? What answers not accepted at face value? How should the procedure itself be questioned?

edit: for no apparent reason. never mind. :crazy:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:24 PM
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25. Well, one question would be...
...can I see the votes being counted?

Can I see what the ballots said and see the results of a hand count vs the machine count?

No, you can't. It's all automated, just trust the machines.

Yeh, well, I do kinda trust machines- when they don't depend on human construction for their "brains."

So, really, I guess what we need is also a "code review" of the programmer? After all, that's the core issue here. Machines to exactly what they are told, or mis-told.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 02:33 PM
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26. Sorry...
the code is proprietary.

Nothing to see here...move along.
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