The Bush/AWOL story is not the real story. Or where Bush was and when

[NNN0LHI]

The real story is that some guys served their country when their country called, and other guys like Bush grabbed the first "Get Out Of Vietnam Free Card" they could grab. That is the real story here. And that is enough. The Rethugs can't win this battle with two Chickenhawks as their candidates for President and VP. Can't get around that. There is no way. The Rethugs are in big trouble and the best part of it is that they know it. Even the media can't save them on this one. This is truly a black and white issue that everyone understands. Even Rush Limbaugh's (another Chickenhawk by the way) listeners can easily understand this issue.

Don

[Ladyhawk]

1. My family can't understand it.

I think they'll support Shrub no matter what he does. They hated Clinton for the affair(s), but forgive and forget when Ah-nold did even worse things. The die-hard Repubs aren't going to vote Dem.

[NNN0LHI]

2. See what happens as it eats at them for months and months on end n/t

[Bandit]

5. No but maybe they will just stay home and not vote

It is going to be tough for anyone to vote for the Bush* Cabal and not shudder.

[Taeger]

7. Swing voters ...

The one's on the fringes will pretty much ALWAYS vote either Republican or Democrat. The swing voters are the target audience.

If KERRY would come out for repealing NAFTA and WTO, that could be the wedge issue that would pry a lot of lifelong Republicans out of Bush's camp. Bush simply CANNOT oppose free trade. His $200 million dollar war chest comes from free-traders (rapists of the US Middle Class).

Kerry can also show that he isn't just some rich ass-hole (a common perception) by showing that he isn't beholden to the interests who are seeking to DEMOLISH the US Middle Class.

[Luvpurp]

8. The die-hard repubs don't need to vote Dem

If they aren't enthused about Bush, they will stay home in droves come next November.

[maggrwaggr]

15. that's a dangerous assumption

die hard republicans will always vote. They see it as their duty. They'll go out of their way to vote.

It's the Dems, who if they aren't totally enthused by something, who will stay home. This is what worries me. That even though most people hate Shrub, a significant number of them won't vote anyway.

Always assume the repubs will vote.

[BillZBubb]

16. Repeat after me: Repugs ALWAYS vote.

You are correct maggrwaggr, those chumps always vote. And they always vote the party line. Whether it's doing God's work or fighting for the Gipper, they'll vote. Those who think otherwise are in for a sad lesson.

We have to fight tooth and nail for the middle. That's where this election will be won or lost.

[newyawker99]

23. Hi Luvpurp!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[just_saying]

3. No the real story here is "Conviction for Cocaine Possesion"

...the press is just letting it bleed out so that the WH can hang themselves with their own rope. Read the transcript from todays WH press conference on Josh Marshall's page:

www.talkingpointsmemo.com

this has all been speculated on before, and the WH's non-denial today sort paints that picture, doesn't it?

[kanrok]

6. Hey McClellan: JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Geez. I haven't seen this much dancing since I saw the Rockettes.

[nolabels]

14. It looks like someone swallowed the canary

From that link above, and thanks again

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
"Scott McClellan: Can I walk through this?

Q: It's a very legitimate question.

Scott McClellan: And I want to back up and walk through this a little bit. Let's talk about the issue that came up, because this issue came up four years ago, it came up four years before that -- or two years before that, it came up four years before that --

Q: Did my question come up four years ago, and was it handled?

Scott McClellan: Helen, if you'll let me finish, I want to back up and talk about this --

Q: Don't dance around, just give us --

Q: It's a straightforward question.

Q: Let's not put too fine a point on it. If I'm not mistaken, you're implying that he had to do community service for criminal action, as a punishment for some crime?

Q: There are rumors around, and I didn't put it in that way. I just --
(snip)

To me it sounds like they are having a lot more discussions then they are letting on about.

[pinto]

20. "I want to back up and...", same line used by Busboy. repeatedly, on MTP

hadn't caught that in earlier reads.....memos all around.

[Jose Diablo]

18. Let me see if I got this right

Convicted felons were removed from voter eligibility in Florida, a state where *Bush's brother is the Governor, winning the 2000 election due to the electoral votes provided by Florida.

A state where it was ruled by the state judiciary that felons from out of state cannot have their voter eligibility removed because of crimes committed out of state.

The state of Texas provided a list of felons to Florida for the purge by a Texas company that has Officers close to *Bush's political group?

The state of Texas purged *Bush's own records of a felony conviction.

And *Bush himself is a felon?

Well, if this isn't grounds for an impeachment, I don't know what is.

And now we have a Texas company thats supplying the voting machings for 2004 election? And send some Marshals to Texas to find out what the hell is going on there.

Somebody better get some voting injunctions now. In all the states that have the new voting machines.

Its too bad the SOB cannot be impeached.

[newyawker99]

24. Hi just_saying!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Jacobin]

4. A different take on it:

The public now knows that Bush* lied to invade a country for reasons they don't comprehend. Lots of people are getting killed and maimed. And worst of all (for the Murkin public), its costing LOTS AND LOTS of money to "rebuild some Muslim country(?!?!)" Not what they were told. Not at all.

Accordingly, we see what I like to call the "Nixon Effect". Nixon was elected to his first term promising that he had a "secret plan" to end the Vietnam War. Yippee thought everyone. Great. Trouble is, he didn't end it, he escalated it by bombing Cambodia and Laos and sending more troops. People got pissed that they were lied to. Watergate was a great excuse to run him out of office on a rail for the Vietnam lie, with the helpful added bonus that the country could pretend they weren't wrong for believing his Vietnam lie.

Bush Lied and Everyone Knows It. He is spending our treasure and killing and maiming out citizens for his lie and it is NOT as promised. The public won't admit they were wrong to support Smirk and the war. Its too painful. However, if Smirky can get caught with this TANG/Coke/CommunityService stuff, after swaggering around on an aircraft carrier in a flyboy suit, the public will gladly toss him to the wolves....in truth because he lied about Iraq and they were foolish enough to believe him, but this TANG mess will give them an excuse they can pretend not to have known about. Public wasn't "wrong to support the war"...they get to boot his silly ass out because of TANG.

Nixon Effect

[Taeger]

9. Campaign commercial

One should be done to the tune of "Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies" with Bush telling all his lies in front of it. The is a nice one for "MoveOn.org".

[BillZBubb]

17. Great idea Taeger!

Fleetwood Mac would undoubtedly let them use the song free of charge too.

[mouse7]

10. Real story is recent lies and cover-up caused by AWOL

It's been proven continually in US political history that the voter will tolerate almost any behavior that isn't lied about/ It's the lies to cover-up the behavior that always end up nailing the person.

I'd focus on what the GOP recently has done to lie and cover-up the AWOL incident.

[jjanpundt]

12. Lies always get found out somehow

I've always wondered what would have happened if Clinton had said "yeah I had an affair with that woman, but now it's over". My guess is that the majority of people wouldn't have given a damn.

[ThoughtCriminal]

11. Ack - "xxx is not the Real Story, the Real Story is..."

That there are so many embarrassing stories about Bush that hardly any voter have heard...yet.

[cosmicdot]

13. will the Media vet healthcare, jobs, education, needed infrastructure

before election day?

I'm sure they'll keep us focus and informed of the real issues.

:eyes:

[9215]

19. Yea, but they call Clinton a chickenhawk too.

:shrug:

[NNN0LHI]

21. Too bad for the Rethugs he is not running for president. Oh well n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. What possible difference does it make what they call Clinton....

...at this point in time? How does that affect the 2004 election since Clinton isn't running?