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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:35 PM
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Oil production in 42 countries...
... tapering off.

http://dieoff.org/42Countries/42Countries.htm

Mother Nature's suicide free fall
Hatred ready to be reborn.
We are a cancer --
that's human nature.

-- Epsilon Minus
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:37 PM
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1. That's why ...
... gas prices went back up over night!

:grr:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:38 PM
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2. Yup
Peak Oil in 2000. Just what I thought.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:39 PM
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3. Peak Oil Links Here
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:45 PM
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4. oh you chicken littles!
we'll just switch to nuclear fusion!
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jbutsz Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:48 PM
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5. How soon is still up for debate, but..
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 02:49 PM by jbutsz
After reading all week about it, I'm convinced it's a problem.. and considering how long might take to reconfigure our infrastructure (decades for transportation sector alone), I'm convinced it's an urgent one, especially considering the stakes.

The denial about even the possibility of declining availability of cheap oil (and it's implications) is enormous, very few even consider the possibility.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 03:08 PM
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8. It's too late
If we had taken this seriously 30 years ago - we might have pulled it off.

Most US structures (homes and other buildings) built since the oil shocks of the late 1970's are not sited or oriented to take advantage of solar energy, and most are energy inefficient - (compared to what they could have been if we had strict energy conservation housing/building codes).

The transpotation sector????

How are we going to bring mass transit to the suburbs and rural areas in time to prevent massive dislocation of the US economy???

It ain't gonna happen...we're screwed.

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:54 PM
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6. The Charts quoted are a bit off for the UAE... sorry we hear about
production all the time on the news here. First, production in the UAE is gearing up to produce 4-5mb (double the chart). Secondly, known reserves here should last to just beyond 2050 at the rate of production I just described.

Peak oil is indeed a problem. I just think the equation is much more critical on the DEMAND side.

That's the true crisis potential. Only new tech can save us there.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 03:04 PM
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7. The problem is on both sides of the curve
But you're right in that the demand side is totally ignored.

Almost anyone who issues estimates of their oil reserves has motivation to exaggerate it. As Dr. Colin Campbell observes, while oil reserve numbers have increased since the 1970's, almost ALL of the increase is due to 're-stating' reserve figures -- almost none of it is due to actual discoveries. According to Campbell, we are only discovering one barrel of oil for every four consumed nowdays, and we've pretty much run out of places to look (except...MARS!).

But it's on the demand side that we are more likely to get quickly stomped.

Consider this: India's economy is picking up quite a bit, thanks to the influx of tech jobs. How many of those Indian tech workers are going to decide that now is the time to upgrade that little scooter to an actual automobile? How many would enjoy air conditioning in the hot Indian summer? As someone pointed out recently, the new tech-supported middle class in India is larger than the population of the entire United States.

And then China: China's oil consumption has been increasing at a near geometric pace the last couple of years. Do you suppose the Chinese will soon want cars and televisions and microwave ovens -- maybe even an SUV here or there? Hope NOT! There are over a billion of them, too!

One day very soon, the developing world will realize that the lie of neoliberalism (ie., the IMF 'strategy') is that they will be able to live like Americans some day. It's become quite clear that they will not be able to, since there just isn't enough to go around with our present usage habits. What do you suppose will happen when most of them figure this out?
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