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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:38 PM
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Proof that rightwingers create their own reality
A coworker got this from her daughter's mother in law. My coworker is surrounded by right wingers, but I keep her straight. She received this email this morning, and shot back a "classic" response, and copied me on it. I won't post her response, just the email in question.

From the Oklahoma Republican Party -- Spread the Word

The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor. Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in perspective:

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims:

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent . Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Come on!
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:01 PM
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1. Worst president in history-yes
That post is a sack of lies.
We went to war in Europe because Japan was allied with the Nazis, and we were asked by England and Russia.
We went to war in Korea because we were asked by South Korea.
We wnet to war (with a trumped-up excuse, admittedly) because we were supporting our allies in France.
We went to peacekeep in Bosnia. We didn't go in with the intention of defeating a government. the actions we took were ultimately defensive.
We went to war in Iraq against the pleadings of every other country on earth, save England and Spain, who wanted a piece of the pie. We also did it AFTER Hussein had acquiesced to our requests, which means we attacked them after they surrendered (any idea why the media won't look into this?) and were prepared to meet our demands.
Bush* is a war criminal. The person who wrote this ignorant piece of crap is one too, and should be tried for treason.
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marie123 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:06 PM
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4. so as long as someone
ask us to go to war it is ok?
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:10 PM
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6. Maybe
But it is NOT the same as going in against the repeated protests of an entire world!
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Womblestuffer Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:50 PM
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11. Sorry but Germany torpedoed two US ships before we declared war
against them. and Iraq never attacked us BUT GHWB led us into that war, This was an ELECTIVE PREMPTIVE war, no matter how you look at it and no matter how its spun, we were wrong.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:54 PM
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12. Germany declared war on the US the day after Pearl Harbor
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:04 PM
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2. Jesus
So, its a bad thing we joined our Allies in Europe.

Ok...

I don't think I need to take this piece of shit seriously anymore...


I will add, however, that we have had several terrorist attacks here at home.

I would refute each lie in this post, but why bother?
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:04 PM
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3. We didn't start the war on terror, but we did start the war on Iraq.
They are completely separate. I'm getting really tired of that bait and switch.
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truizm Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:37 PM
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9. We didn't?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:10 PM
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5. Uh US troops and South Korea were attacked
The Golf of Tonkin incident is a little murky though.

The Sudan thing is complete BS plus we didn't have any charges to arrest OBL on yet.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:12 PM
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7. According to the post
Truman attacked North Korea with no provocation.
Ridiculous! Of course that's a lie! If it were true, the freeptard that wrote this abomination would support Truman!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:16 PM
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8. well, we know the Osama from the Sudan thing is false...
But, it is out there so much that many think it is true...

You might want to respond that when the outgoing Clinton Administration warned of Osama being dangerous and planning an attack in the US, the Bush admin preferred to pursue Star Wars and withdrawing from the ABM treaty because, "Osama bin Laden doesn't have any missiles." And, the Hart-Rudman report sat on a desk in the White House, not read until after 9/11... meanwhile, the US had special forces ready to go in Pakistan and hunt bin Laden when Bush took over, but they were called back and we gave the Taliban millions of dollars for fighting drugs.

And, the Taliban & Al Qaida are hardly crippled...look at the attacks in places like Bali, Turkey and Iraq (if it is Al Qaida there.)

Saddam killed 300K of his own people in the 80s and early 90s when he was an ally of the US using WMD that we gave to him. Then, after we kicked him out of Kuwait, we encouraged the Kurds to rebel and left them high & dry to be gassed by Saddam.

And, weren't the Libyans negotiating to give up their WMD before we invaded Iraq?



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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:41 PM
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10. Uhhhh...what history book did this moran read?
Did his history book fail to mention that after the US declared war on Japan, Germany and Italy declared war on the US?!?!?

As for the rest of that tripe...it's similarly flawed...
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:58 PM
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13. Kennedy had "advisor's" in Vietnam, Johnson escalated it to a full blown
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 06:01 PM by Zinfandel
war, after the Gulf of Tonkin lie 40 years ago this July.
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