CSPAN Thursday AM — Gay Marriage Amendment

[prolesunited]

Should be interesting. Anybody listening?

[La_Serpiente]

1. thanks for the heads up

:-)

[La_Serpiente]

2. If homosexuality was a choice

a straight person could become a homosexual?

LOL.

The caller from Texas was awesome. :thumbsup:

[prolesunited]

3. I liked the last caller

If two gays get married, how does that affect me? I also liked the other point that we don't have any other constitutional amendments that actually take away civil rights.

[terrya]

4. I wish I was. It sounds like an intelligent debate. You should have seen..

Joe Scarborough's show last night. There was a debate about gay marriage. He had someone on from the Family Research Council (homophobes), a gay legislator from California and PAT BOONE (certified old religious nutcase). 2 against one. Boone was spouting the same tired old relgious gibberish..."marriage is for procreation only", blah blah blah blah. Incredibly stupid nonsense.

The C-Span debate hopefully should be more enlightening.

Terry

[La_Serpiente]

5. He's wrong

the federal marriage amendment would get rid of all civil unions in any state.

[Lindsey]

6. I'm watchng now and it's really good stuff

The woman from HRC is very clear and factual. The guy has already been offensive and keeps trying to say that someone from the Martin Luther King camp is leading the charge with him. I love the caller too who is a man with grown kids and grandkids and he asked the guy how this would effect him, he said it wouldn't.

[BR_Parkway]

14. Now he's spouting "kids are better off with 1 man & 1 woman"

but nobody ever, ever suggests that any of the constitutional amendments include provisions outlawing divorce. Seems that it would do so much to help those kids.

[foreigncorrespondent]

15. Yeah well I got news for that weasle.

I was raised by a single parent. My upbringing wasn't the best, but I knew there were kids who had it a lot worse than I did.

Now I am in a loving and very committed relationship with a woman. Since meeting this woman, I have picked up my whole knowledge base. I mean, I have gone out and learned how to code web pages, all because this woman gave me the inspiration to do it. And I know a damn site more about a lot of things now, because I want to sit and have intelligent well meaning conversations with her.

It isn't about raising a kid with a mum and dad, it is about showing that kid they are loved by the parents in that house, so they too will aspire to great things.

[prolesunited]

16. Exactly!

I think that's a great response when people raise that argument.

We can just reply, "So, perhaps we should outlaw divorce? Maybe we need a constitutional amendment. If you have children, you lose your right to divorce."

On edit: Almost forgot my manners. Welcome to DU, BR_Parkway! :hi:

[terrya]

7. This is the line the phobes are now pushing.

I heard that lie on Scarborough last night. The Family Research Council rep peddled that. The notion that civil unions won't be affected is a lie. Gay marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships all will be voided if FMA is passed. FMA was specifically written to do that.

Terry

[Mel]

17. Thank you Terry

You ought to start a thread about this fact it isn't just about homosexuals it's about man woman domestic partners also they too will lose things such as insurance coverage rights through employers. If anyone thinks that the corportistas are going to continue to keep coverage and benefits for domestic partners if this passes is sadly mistaken! Capitalism is all about the bottom line and this will save them money and they will end domestic partner benefits.

Regardless of that FMA is mean-spirited and Un-American since when did it become acceptable to amend the constitution to take away rights of certain groups?

[foreigncorrespondent]

8. Thanks for the heads up...

...proles. I am listening to it now.

[izzie]

9. I heard a lot on the radio and did think about it and.....

I came up with the same old thing. I am a libertarian on these things.Do as you see fit. Hell in high school we laughed because two men got married in our town and a local man performed the legal part of it.I lived in a Summer resort and between Kennbunkport and where I live was a big gay/artist/actor community . I am sure even George Bush visited this place as every one went there to feed on some great sea food and party. it is about 5/10 miles from where he spent some part of his Summers. I am willing to bet people knew things he was up to there. I lived about 5/10 miles south and we all partied in that town.I got out of high school in the 50's by the way.

[foreigncorrespondent]

10. Is anybody from DU...

...trying to call in? I would, but it would cost me a bucket load of bucks to do it, because I don't have a phone card.

[veganwitch]

19. no but this guy from texas called and told...

the HRC gal that she had every right to call the FAM dude a bigot.

[foreigncorrespondent]

20. Oh I didn't hear that...

...I tuned in towards the end.

I think I woke the neighbours up a few times (it is wee hours of the morning here in Melbourne), when I was screaming nasty words at the computer. LOL

[prolesunited]

11. If it's a social norm

and an aspirational norm, why do we need a law? What happened to conservatives stance about personal responsibility and choice and their revulsion of the nanny state attempts at social engineering.

It's now all about the children. :eyes:

They need a mother and father. Are we going to start banning divorce if a couple has kids as well?

[AG78]

12. It's just amazing

What passes for divisive issues these days. But then again, it took 190 years from the official founding of the country until black people were either no longer slaves, or thought of as actual human beings.

[La_Serpiente]

13. There were lots of pro-FMA people on Washington Journal this morning

[veganwitch]

18. the FMA dude playing the race card

i love how he kept saying, essentially, we arent bigots, weve got blacks supporting us.

apparently he forgot that the 2003 anniversary of the march on washington was a shared event with civil rights and gay rights.

(an article where corretta scott king links gay rights with the civil rights movement.) http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/coretta.html

(the gay and lesbian task force's "we walk with you march")http://www.ngltf.org/statelocal/mowmedia.htm

Bayard Rustin - organiser of the first march on washington. gay man.
http://www.rustin.org/about.html