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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:58 PM
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Wow! Bush's Yale classmate say's he was busted for cocaine use.
According to Hatfield this is from one of Bush's former Yale classmates:

I was wondering when someone was going to get around to uncoverig the truth," he replied, surprisingly unruffled by my direct approach. "Evidently, you kind of glossed over in the book like a lot of other reporters have done in their newpaper and magazine articles. It doesn't fit, does it?
George W. was arrested for possession of cocaine in 1972, but due to his father's connections, the entire record was expunged by a state jusdege whom the elder Bush helped get elected," he explained. "It was one of those 'behind closed doors in the judge's chambers' kind of thing betweenthe old man and one of his Texas cronies who owed him a favor. In exchange for successfully completing communtiy service at Project P.U.L.L., where Bush senior was a heavy contributor and honorary chairman, the judge purged Gorge W.'s record.



In the Afterword of his book Hatfield states:

On August 4, 1999, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle publicly Charged the Press with giving George W. Bush a 'free ride' in regards to the persistent rumors of past cocaine use, adding that it was a "a legitimate question" to expect any presidential candidate to answer to determine if he or she is morally fit to hold the highest elected office in the U.S.

In response to Senator Dashcle's challenge, later the same day the New York Daily News asked Bush and his other eleven political rivals where they had ever used cocain. All of them--except the presidential front-runner, who refused to answer the question--denied ever experimenting with the illegal drug. When the Associated Press asked the same candidates about the general use of the drugs, eight said no, and two acknoledged trying marijuana. Once again, Bush refused to answer the question, contributing to the media's feeding frenzy regarding allegations of his prior drug use by evasively responding: "I've made mistakes in the past and I've learned from my mistakes," branding such rumors "ridiculous and absurd," but declining to lable them false." (pp.299-300)


.......Fresh from a first-place showing in Iowa GOP straw poll on August 14 the Texas governor was forced to amend his stock message when Sam Attlesey of the Dallas Morning News asked whether, as president, Bush would insist that his appointees answer drug-use questions contained in the standard FBI background check. (As president, Bush would nominate candidates for the Supreme Court, other federal judges, cabinet secretaries, foreign ambasadors, and federal prosecutors. All would be required to answer questions "fully and truthfull" regarding illegal drug use on the questionnaire for national security decisionrs, a part of the FBI background check).
After receiving advance word that the new slant on the drug question was going to be asked, Bush conferred with campaign finance chairman Don Evans, finance director Jack Oliver, media adviser Mark McKinnon, chief strategist Karl Rove, and communications director Karen Hughes.
"Imagine the ad our opponents could make if we didn't answer the question" said one Bush campaign adviser. "As president, George W. Bush would maintain a double standard when it comes to illegal drug use by White House employees--one for him and one for everybody else."

Bush's inner circle of campaign officials agreed that the leading presidential candidate should confirm to the Dallas Morning News that he would meet all the standards himself, a response that would "hopefully put a stake in the heart of the coke-use stories."
"As I understand it, the current form asks the question, 'Did somebody use drugs within the last seven years?' and I will be glad to answer the question, and the answer is 'No'," Bush responded during a news conference he called to introduce his new state education commissioner.
However, the Texas governor once again refused to say whether he had ever used cocaine in particular and angrily claimed that his political enemies were peddling unsubstantiated rumors of illegal drug use. "I know they're being planted," Bush said, obviously irritated. "They're ridiculous absurd, and the American people are of sick of this kind of politics." Earlier, he had chided reporters for agian raising the drug issue . Somebody floats a rumor and it causes you to ask a question, and that's the game in American politics, and I refuse to play it," he stated. "That is a game. And you just fell for the trap."

The following day at another media event in Roanoke, Virginia, Bush decided to move the boundary markers yet again, volunteering that at the time his father was inaugurated in 1989 he could have passed even the fifteen-year background check in effect then, dating his drug-free years all the way back to 1974, when he was twenty-eight and a graduate student at Harvard.
But the presidential candidate suddenly drew the line and defined a statute of limitations for only the past twenty-five years after NBC's David Blom noted that current White House appointees were required to list any drug use since their eighteenth birthday.

"I believe it is important to put a stake in the ground and say enough is enough when it comes to trying to dig up people's backgrounds, " Bush said, reverting to his previous position of firmly standing against "trash-mouth politics", and refusing to discuss details about his past. If voter, didn't like that answer he announced, "they can find somebody else to vote for . I have told the American people all I am going to tell them."
Later in the day, Bush continued his stonewall strategy, saying only that parents should counsel their children about the perils of alcohol and drugs. "I think a baby boomer parent ought to say. 'I have learned from the mistakes I may or may not have made, and I'd like to share some wisdom with you, and that is: Don't use drugs. Don't abuse alcohol.' That's what leadership is all about." the presidetial front-runner told reporters while touring oan Ohio Homeless shelter that offered treatment for drug addicts.


Bush has essentially admitted to something. But he refused to say what, creating a political paradox." wrote the editors of USA Today. "If his offense is trivial, why hide it? Voters have shown little inclination to punish candidates for youthful drug use, at least in the cse of marijuana. And if it's substantial, why should those voters be denied the facts?"

"He's been drawing all kinds of distinctions, rather than just giving an anaswer which will put these queries to rest for good," said Mark Rozell, a political scientist at Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. "It's sort of piecemeal, hopin-it-will-go-away approach. But this line of inquiry will not goa aaway until he does what only he can do to end it: Tell the flat-out truth about what happened."

Bush flip flops on the drug use question only heightened the mystery and invited deeper scrutiny by the media. On August 25, the online magainze Salon reported on allegations that "back int he '60s or '70s," Bush "was ordered by a Texas judge to perform community service in exchange for expunging his record showing illicit drug use and that this service was performed at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Community Servie Center in Houston.



Then Hatfield cites replies from one of his sources as he pursued the line about Bush's community service:

This is from one of Bush's former Yale classmates:

I was wondering when someone was going to get srounud to uncoverig the truth," he replied, surprisingly unruffled by my direct approach. "Evidently, you kind of glossed over in the book like a lot of other rporters have done in their newpaper and magazine articles. It doesn't fit, does it?"

"George W. was arrested for possession of cocaine in 1972, but due to his father's connections, the entire record was expunged by a state jusdege whom the elder Bush helped get elected," he explained. "It was one of those 'behind closed doors in the judge's chambers' kind of thing betweenthe old man and one of his Texas cronies who owed him a favor. In exchange for successfully completing communtiy service at Project P.U.L.L., where Bush senior was a heavy contributor and honorary chairman, the judge purged Gorge W.'s record. "
Can you tell me more about the incident involving his arrest of give me a name of the police officer or, better yet, the judge?" Hatfield asked.

"I've told you enough already," he replied, sounding unchracteristically apprehensive. "There's oly a handful of us that know the truth. I'm not even sure his wife knows about it." Then he paused and added, "Just keep digging, But keep looking over your shoulder.


From another source "a longtime Bush friend":

Take this anyway it sounds, but do you think George would take time out from speeding around town in his TR-6 convertible sports car, bedding down just about every single woman--and a few marrie ones--and patying like there's no tommorrow to go work full-time as a mentor to a bunch of streetwise balck kids? Get real, man, this ia a white bread boy fromt eh tother side of town wer're talking about. (page 300--05)



Although Texas requires renewal of a driver's license every four years on one's birthday, Bush obtained a new number (a nine digit 000000005) on March 31, 1995 as a renewal instead of on his birthday, July 6, which the texas Department of Motor Vehicles called "highly unusual". Online Journal correspondents Bev Conover and Linda L. Starr also noted in their investigation that in Texas, "every infraction of the law--from a parking ticket to homicide--appears on you Texas Driver's License Detail. It was publicly reported that George W. shot and killed a protected species while bird hunting in 1994 and paid a fin of $130 on September 2,1994. That is the sort of thing that gets listed on a Texas Driver's License Detail, bu it doesn't show up on George W's because when he received a new license in March 1995, the record of paying the fine--along with anything else that was cited--was deleted with his old license number". Ironically, the Texas Department of Public Safety (which issues state driver's licenses is headed by James Byrne Francis, Jr. one the governor's closest friends and fundraisers.
(Fortunate Son, Hatfield. FN page 303)


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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:01 PM
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1. Yes, this explains a LOT about hatfield's "Suicide" doesn't it? Luckily,
the man lives on in his words and his truth.

He was a brave and reckless man for daring to expose the truth about the bush regime.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:20 PM
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6. What's the full story on this "suicide"?
I'm not to familiar with the circumstances surrounding Hatfield's life, but I'm very impressed with the excerpts from his book. What a bold brave man, perhaps too bold for his own well-being.

Just wondering if anyone could elaborate on the facts surrounding Hatfield's death. Any links or retelling of when and how this happened would be greatly appreciated. Sure sounds awful suspicious to me.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:32 PM
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9. Here is some stuff
It must be remembered that Hatfield's last article, written a couple of months before 9/11, was about the Bin Laden connection to Bushies and "remotely guided" aircraft being used as missiles.

I think the guy had a line on the BFEE like few others.


Reuters - July 20, 2001
Writer of Recalled Bush Biography Apparent Suicide
By Steve BarnesLITTLE ROCK, Ark. (Reuters) - James Howard Hatfield, whose biography of President Bush won national attention before its publisher withdrew it over the author's criminal past, died in an Arkansas motel in what police on Friday called a suicide. Police said Hatfield, 43, died of an apparent drug overdose. His body was found by a maid on Wednesday, the day after he checked into the motel in Springdale, near his native Bentonville and about 200 miles northwest of Little Rock. Detective Sgt. Mike Shriver of the Springdale PD said there was no question it was a suicide. ``He left a note and everything,'' Shriver said of Hatfield. ''It's really cut and dried.'' Hatfield's unauthorized biography, ``Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President,'' made headlines in October1999 when Bush was campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination, with allegations based on unnamed sources that Bush had a record of cocaine use in the 1970s. Bush declined to comment directly on the cocaine allegations, saying only that he had made mistakes in his youth but had not used illegal drugs since at least 1974. No witnesses came forward to support the allegations. Bush's father denied the book's allegations that his son was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972 and that a Texas state judge wiped the arrest off the younger Bush's record in return for political favors. Hatfield's credibility was quickly called into question and publisher St. Martin's Press recalled all unsold copies after revelations that Hatfield had pleaded guilty in 1988 and served time in Arkansas for attempted murder. Hatfield denied he was the ex-convict with the same name, but Arkansas parole officials said he was the same man. Shriver said Hatfield had checked into the motel the night before his body was found. He said a suicide note near the body referred to financial problems, and that friends had told investigators Hatfield was becoming increasingly depressed in his last days. Hatfield lived in nearby Bentonville, where he was born. Shriver said prescription drug bottles were found at the scene, but declined to identify the pharmaceuticals pending a toxicology report from the Arkansas medical examiner that could require three months to complete.
Posted: 2001-07-20 11:53


Author of Bush biography commits suicide
SPRINGDALE, Ark. (AP) - The author of a book about George W. Bush has killed himself, police said.
James Howard Hatfield, 43, wrote Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the making of an American President in 1999.
The unauthorized biography accused Bush of covering up a cocaine arrest. But during interviews about the book, Hatfield lied to reporters about his own criminal past.
A hotel housekeeper discovered the man's body about noon Wednesday, Springdale police Detective Al Barrios said Thursday. Barrios said the man apparently overdosed on two kinds of prescription drugs.
Police don't suspect foul play.
Well the police may not suspect foul play but I will consider this MUCH too suspicious to be suicide until proven otherwise.


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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:01 PM
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16. Thanks 9215!
I just found Hatfield's last article at http://www.oilempire.us/bushbinladen.html

Wow! He truly was the man who knew too much. If the press had any balls they would have thrown this story in Condoleeza and Dubya's face when they tried to claim nobody could have possibly imagined terrorists would actually use planes as missiles before September 11.

I'm waiting for the day the unedited PDB's are exposed. I fear it won't happen until sometime after the complete Warren Commission files are released. I guess the greater your power is, the bigger the rug for sweeping things under.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:16 PM
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23. My pleasure. Condi's statement was
blew me away when she said it. On that note it is also a fact that anti-aircraft batteries were mounted on the bldgs. in Italy where the G8 Summit, with Dubya attending was held.

Those Bushie bastards lied about this when they said they expected more "traditional" methods of attack. This and a zillion other deciets led me to believe long ago that 9/11 is an inside job.

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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:38 PM
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43. Take a look at this site
it's a bit :tinfoilhat: but there's still some worthwhile information:

http://www.lizmichael.com/bushykno.htm



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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:01 PM
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2. I'm telling you everyone needs to read "fortunate son"
By James Hatfield (R.I.P.)

He was working on something else when he
"committed suicide" I hope that one day
Hatfield will be vindicated .
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:06 PM
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4. Someday I hope we can erect monuments to
those who knew and paid the ultimate price.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:26 PM
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7. I like that idea.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:57 PM
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14. I forgot the second part
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 03:58 PM by 9215
Strike the names of the Bush family from all honorable mentions, monuments (Aircraft carriers, Fed Bldgs, etc.)and any other famous person that was later found to be a crook.

I dream of this happening.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:57 PM
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46. Cinemax on the case...
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:10 PM
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47. This is great!
Thanks.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:16 PM
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63. I agree, 'tis a wealth of information and well effectuated.
I was actually surprised that the book was ever published. It is, I believe, the most comprehensive book ever done on George W. Bush.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:05 PM
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3. "Just keep digging, But keep looking over your shoulder."
Sage advice, in retrospect. Too bad Hatfield got "Baxtered." Or did Cliff Baxter get "Hatfield-ed?"
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:33 PM
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10. They both got 'Casolaro-ed'
.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:57 PM
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15. I think they were Wellstoned
And that's not a good thing

(1 royalty payment to Randomkoolzip for use of the word "Wellstoned")
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:17 AM
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54. Paul Wilcher too.
He was the lawyer who wrote a letter to Janet Reno citing much of what Casolaro found and was found three weeks later dead sitting on the toilet in his apartment.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:20 PM
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26. Steve Kangas. That is another
horror story. A guy who constructed a "connections model" of all the Bushies was found hung in his apartment in the late eighties.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:07 PM
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58. Is he related to Paul Kangas of PBS' "Nightly Business Report"?
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 05:49 PM by Bozita
It airs right after the Newshour on my local PBS.

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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:03 PM
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61. Kangas, I think, was found shot in Scaife's office building
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 06:04 PM by MisterP
who's the connections model guy
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/LiberalFAQ.htm is a mirror of Kangas's
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 12:46 PM
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64. This is interesting. Thanks.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:15 PM
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5. Maybe the "new" media will get onto this story too
Wishful thinking probably...

But there did seem to be a new "tone" at yesterday's press conference about AWOL.

It's only fair that all of the "benefits" accorded to the boy King become wee known.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:31 PM
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8. fates of people like Danny Casalero send a chilling message
to journalists ... and, all of us ...

this turkey has more skeletons in his closet than one can shake a stick at ... and, then there's Jeb and Poppy and Neil and Jonathan ... sleaze bag city ...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:35 PM
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11. Plame/Wilsongate changed alot of people's thinking
IMO
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:37 PM
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12. I wish I'll on them all
I hate them...May Alzimers hit them all at Birth. Have a nice Day. :)
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Alopenia Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:45 PM
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13. I don't care what these guys did when they were young.
I don't care if they drank, smoked marijuana either. If it happened 30+ years ago, it is silly to dwell on it. I am more concerned about Iraq, the economy, and the environment.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:03 PM
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17. Does this mean you don't mind them
...lying about it today?
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Alopenia Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:47 PM
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49. Non-answers
aren't things you can really call lies. Name me one successful politician who has been completely straightforward about his past.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:05 PM
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18. How many Americans have been SENT TO PRISON
...for doing exactly what Bush* did...and got away with?

- For hell sakes! What kind of country is this when we don't care about equal justice? Why should the poor go to jail and have their lives ruined while those like smirk can get away with it without ANY consequences?

- Does it matter when it happened? Republicans went after Clinton for a decades-old land deal. Their rationale was that no one is above the law. Why isn't this same standard being applied to smirk?
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:14 PM
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22. Dean and Kerry have used drugs in the past
Yet they both are supporters of the war on drugs.

Past "mistakes" in a man's personal life should be allowed to be kept PRIVATE. Jesus, this Ashcroftian I-know-what-you-did-when-25 years-ago is disturbing.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:23 PM
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27. yes, and I hate Dems for being drug warriors
But give me a freakin break!! Repukes are the holier-than-thou moralizers on the issue, and THEY are the ones who introduce the stiffest penalties, who introduce profiling, who introduce tougher prison sentences.

If Kerry and Dean did some drugs when they were young, who cares?

If George Bush and his anti-drug cronies were so blitzed out of their minds they couldn't see straight, i think the idiots that vote for them should know about it.

Don't you?
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:29 PM
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29. No I do not think they should know about it
It's not anyone's business.

By the way, everyone knows Curious George used to be a degenerate drunk cokesniffer. He played the "I-was-bad-then-I-was-saved-by-the-mercy-of-Jesus" card for his whole campaign and the fundies loved it.

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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:07 PM
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21. One of Bush's greatest assets as a politician is the perception
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 04:13 PM by GumboYaYa
that he is a straight shooter. The more lies we catch him using, the greater the likeliehood that we get him out of office and deal moreeffectively with things like Iraq, the economy, and the environment.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:20 PM
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25. Bush sucks on all those issues, yet the media will give him a pass
is THAT important to you?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:33 PM
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32. It all goes to Character
Character is of extreme importance when we elect a leader. If we don't care about one's character we end up with people like Bush*. You need to care.
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Alopenia Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:53 PM
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50. Truth be told, I'm not crazy about the last two
guys we've had in there on the character issue. I don't like personal matters and their accompanying need for denial or admission...to be part of the process at all. Haven't we learned anything from the 8 years we heard shit about Clinton's personal life. Clinton ended up lying about his affairs. Do we really want to do that again?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:34 PM
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42. I care about what they did 30 yrs ago...
it shows what we are dealing with now, a complete lack of reconciliation for past acts.

Why should the bush family get away with these types of things? If you or I had even attempted any of this, we'd be in prison for a long time. It is pitiful that these people are allowed to continue in positions of power.

There is no accountability, no remorse, and there is certainly nothing that resembles what we've been told about how 'good' these people are. They stink, the whole family stinks, and they need to be shown as the greedy bunch they are.

If the past didn't matter, why are people still bringing up JFK's mistresses?

O8)
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:04 PM
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62. I normally wouldn't care about a little coke snorting 30 years ago
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 06:16 PM by JellyBean1
But when we realize these very same people are the ones that in Reagans presidency were running dope from Latin America to provide money to fund an unfunded project. The same people that when Nancy was saying, "Just say No", these guys were locking-up and throwing the key away for users of the dope they were running.

Nope, they are dirty and need to be exposed. The damage these dope runners have done to our communities is beyond counting.

The key to unlocking the story is what was George doing in 72-73. Was he busted for a spoonfull of coke, or shall we say something a little more...uh...telling. I don't think the dope running started in Reagan's time. Nosireebob.

Then there is Bath. Don't forget Bath.

Edit: I remember one time flying out of Houston to Brownsville. Looking out the window from 35K feet I marvelled at how many short strips were down there.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:04 PM
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51. I mind them being hypocrites.
Look - they dragged Clinton through the mud for a lousy blow job, then they expect us to give their boy pass when he committed a REAL felony and then went AWOL to hide it? After landing on an aircraft carrier, prancing around in a flight suit and pretending to be a war hero? After lying about it and perhaps even falsifying documents?

I sure do mind!
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:05 PM
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19. A few eyebrow raisers in there
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 04:06 PM by FoeOfBush
But the presidential candidate suddenly drew the line and defined a statute of limitations for only the past twenty-five years after NBC's David Blom noted that current White House appointees were required to list any drug use since their eighteenth birthday.

So, the Clinton White House instituted STRICTER rules on listing drug use for appointees than bush41? What does bush* ask of appointees today?

"I think a baby boomer parent ought to say. 'I have learned from the mistakes I may or may not have made, and I'd like to share some wisdom with you, and that is: Don't use drugs. Don't abuse alcohol.' That's what leadership is all about."

Then why did you have to take time out to tell your daughters about your drunk driving arrest that came out in the last week before the 2000 election? So you "talk" about leadership, you just don't know how to "do" it. Got it.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:06 PM
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20. I've used drugs.
It's called privacy. Curious George has no obligation to tell the world about his coke-snorting days, and prying into someone's personal life is fucking wrong whether done by a puke or a Democrat.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:18 PM
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24. So I have lots of us.
But many of Bush's supporters like him because he's "Godly"--"a good man".

If the tale of how he got busted & didn't go to Huntsville has anything to do with the tale of how he was draftable & didn't go to Vietnam--then, I say "bring it on".

W is a spoiled rich kid who never accomplished anything on his own. He's never built any character, since he never had to learn from his mistakes. If he had a problem, it was "taken care of".
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:25 PM
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28. but...its ok...let the Pukes do it while you're indignant
we'll just forget how Pukes use it on any Dem at any time as a relection of their moral character.

But GOD FORBID Dems should ask the Pukes about their own usage, eh?
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:34 PM
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33. you have a point, but I just feel dirty
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 04:34 PM by anti-NAFTA
I feel dirty bringing up people's personal lives.

If Rick Santorum had once had an homosexual affair, I'd say the same thing. It's his business.

I guess that's why I'm for legalization of drugs, less intrusive checks, and for PRIVACY rights.

But since they use it on us, then fuck it. They deserve the attacks.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:30 PM
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41. I would agree with you...
but these guys (our political leaders) are

THE DRUG WARRIORS responsible for the two million in prison in the first place

THE DRUG DEALERS who are actually bringing the stuff in (Papa Bush Contra/CIA, for starters)

THE HYPOCRITES who run commercials accusing drug users of supporting terrorism - and who attacked Clinton for what, exactly?

THE GANGSTERS who overthrew the Taliban by telling the warlords that the next poppy crop was assured...

etc. etc.

Now Bushco. are hoist by their own petard. Tough.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:30 AM
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56. Its about Hypocrisy ...
When the GOP cast aspersions again Gore for his honesty, they shouldnt get a free ride from us ....

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:29 PM
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Never was the point. Coke use is a felony
and that sorry son-of...you know what committed a felony offense and the only reason he gets away with it is because he is rich and white. He is a hypocrite to the max when, as Governor, he oversaw the incarceration of drug users, particularly black people.

On that level this double standard destroys peoples belief in the law , especially the principle that no one is above the law, more than any thing I can imagine. How do we enforce our laws when those at the top of the heirarchy are never held accountable?

WHAT DO WE TELL OUR CHILDREN TO BELIEVE?

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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:30 PM
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31. Agreed.
It also should be pointed out that we are talking about decades ago.

I do not know of one person in this country that could be convicted over drug use that long ago.

Don't get me wrong, I am no lover of Bush.

But I cannot justify going after Bush over something I believe every person has a right to, namely privacy concerning past drug abuse.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:39 PM
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35. What if he killed someone thirty years ago?
Would that matter to you? Character is very important. If we don't concern ourselves about the Character of the person running for office then we could end up with someone like Bush*. Someone with the Character of a mobster. It isn't the drugs although it shows a disregard for law but the lying and cover-up that shows ones Character. I think we should know everything there is to know about the person who will have their fingers on the button.
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:01 PM
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38. What the fuck are you talking about?
Doing drugs is equivalent to killing someone?

Since when did this board turn Fascist?
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:41 PM
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45. Oh, and don't forget, "drug users support terrarists..."
and those are words right out of *'s mouth.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:38 PM
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44. He sure as hell does, if he wants to be president...
it was the GOP that raised the bar with Clinton. But that doesn't count, does it.

I want an honest person in the WH, if he said he had done drugs in the past, fine by me, I could really care less. It is the constant and blatant abuse of what he calls his rights, yet those 'rights' are not allowed to anyone else, including you.

O8)
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JustAmused Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:24 PM
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53. Actually he does....
As Citizen George..let him keep his privacy. But as Resident George, he owes us the facts and information needed to make an informed choice. Witholding this information is basically manipulation. No one made him ask for the job, and like any job, you need to give any information your prospective employer seeks.
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Snappy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:34 PM
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34. A Connection?
"George W. was arrested for possession of cocaine in 1972."

Isn't that the same year that he refused to take a physical while in the NG?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:49 PM
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36. Yes,
Bush went missing on April 16th 1972 (Boston Globe) which is the same month that the military imposed mandatory random drug testing rules. Air Force Regulation 160-23, also known as the Medical Service Drug Abuse Testing Program. He missed his physical in July of that year, which is a court martial offense according to a number of Vets here at DU. I believe, but am not sure,that the drug testing law went into effect on April 15th 1972, that is one day before the Boston Globe reported that Dubya "took leave".

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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:00 PM
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37. We need to get this out to the media!!!
If AWOL can make a strong comeback, cocainegate will defiently seal dubya's doom!!

I didn't even really know about this stuff.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:13 PM
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40. I'd bet Tim Russert would be game. IMO
he is starting to see what Bush is really about.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:12 PM
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39. To those saying Bush did nothing wrong, drugs should be legal, etc.
Here is the deal: When the Repugs quit ranting about drugs and slamming people in lockup for crimes they themselves get away with then we will stop calling them on their hypocrisy.

As the repugs say: "The law is the law" and they seem to think the stricter the better.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:42 PM
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48. kick
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Snappy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:11 PM
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52. Felony
A felony arrest and refusing to take a mandatory physical are not "personal" matters. They are public matters. No one can be elected Pres. with felony convictions, not that I know of. So, if a felony arrest was quashed, it is a public matter, is it not?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:27 AM
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55. Bush has a loophole for a felony conviction prohibiting someone
being elected President:

"There's no conflict, because I've never been elected President. It's an absurd insinuation."
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:44 AM
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57. BINGO!
Good one!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:39 PM
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59. Felonius Chimp
Time to come clean.

"I think the American people--I hope the American--I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me."
- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002

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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:45 PM
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60. We all know this to be true and so do the republicans.
They've talked about it and want to keep it out of the mainstream.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 12:49 PM
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65. Hatfield has credibility issues
Too bad the BFEE had him killed.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-04 01:05 PM
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66. Everybody has something to hide.
If you are going after the Bushies you have to be a saint. If you are a Bushie you can get away with murder.
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