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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:58 PM
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TANG pilot steps forward -- please help research this guy
Who is General Michael Campenni?

A pilot who served with George in the Texas Air National Guard has written a letter to the Washington Times complaining about press coverage of W's military record, and presenting some information about the duties they shared in Texas.

Campenni deserves some scrutiny, and I'm hoping some of DU's good researchers will check the heck out of him.

So far, I've found that he has a company in Herndon Virginia (spookville defense contractor territory) and that he has written at least one letter to the editor defending Bush several months ago. I couldn't find any record of political donations, but they may be buried in PACs or in donations under business names or wife's name.

His company is Stuart AVL Technologies in Herndon.

He also was the co-author of a political article: Stephen M. Saideman, David Lanoue, Michael Campenni, and Samuel Stanton, “Democratization, Political Institutions, and Ethnic Conflict: A Pooled, Cross-Sectional Time Series Analysis from 1985-1998,” Comparative Political Studies, Vol. 35, No. 1 (February 2002): 103-129.

What else can we find about this guy? Anyone got Nexis?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:59 PM
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1. here's his letter to the Times
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:01 PM by grasswire
'Bush and I were lieutenants'

George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.

It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.

The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.

The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore.

Sadly, few of today's partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months' basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of "summer camp." With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.

The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.

Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.

Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.

Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.

As a commander, I would put such "visitors" in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can't even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to "pull drills" for a couple of months, I wouldn't be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.

Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:

First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly — the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.

If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.

Second, there was no such thing as a "disciplinary unit in Colorado" to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I'm "being disciplined." These "disciplinary units" just don't exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush's performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.

Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt. Bush's, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.

While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen — then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.

In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.


COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Herndon, Va.5
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040210-082910-8424r.htm
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:05 PM
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2. So, I'm to believe ANOTHER guy who shirked his duty
by hanging out in Texas during the Vietnam War.

And he talks a lot about Texas...Who cares? That isn't the issue at all.

What about Alabama, buddy?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:06 PM
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3. I thought the guy was going to say that he saw bush on base
hell all he did was talk about reason's bush might not have been on duty. this guy doesn't know any more then I do.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:45 PM
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19. I just read it twice, and nowhere does he say he actually SAW Bush
In fact, he says he didn't travel in the same social circles off base, which seems to me means that he didn't remember him.

Did he see Bush there, or not? I didn't see any more information in this letter than we heard from Scott McClellen yesterday. If he really wanted to corroborate Bush's story, he could very easily say, "Yes, I remember Lt George Bush on base during that time." He does not even approach saying that anywhere.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:15 PM
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45. "We wore the same patch"....
so did I, and about 35,000 others with the 4th Div, the 5th Div, the 9th Div, and the 3/161 Inf WA ANG. Plus a bunch of other Unit Citations, ribbons, etc. Big deal. Except in smaller units, I sure as hell didn't know everyone there!

O8)
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:11 PM
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5. Does he tell us if Bush reported as ordered in Alabama?
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:13 PM by Mountainman
And Kerry is not bringing up this charge and no one is slandering the guard. That is a wingnut talking point to through off the hounds.

No one defending Bush has told us if Bush did his duty in Alabama.

So knock it off and tell us the facts!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
55. No kidding
Drop the rhetoric. Where the fuck was Bush?
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King_Crimson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:14 PM
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32. Apparently this clown has reared his head before...
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Yep, Earlier Version of Same Letter, May 2003
*******QUOTE*******

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1108527

this guy Campenni is a hardcore GOPer.If you search google, you can see that he published this letter in other newspapers, and engaged in a reply-response dialogue in which he revealed his hatred of "liberals".

*******QUOTE*******

Same Letter Dated May, 2003

May 16, 2003 http://archive.observernews.com/stories/archives/viewpoints/2003view/0...

Posted May 30, 2003 http://archive.observernews.com/stories/archives/viewpoints/2003view/0...

Writer Should Not Attack Patriots
To the editor:
William Campenni, in his letter in The Observer on May 23, states "While our wonderful freedoms, won and protected by the military that liberals (a.k.a. Democrats) ... abhor ..."
Well, I am proudly a lifelong liberal, a Democrat, a veteran of World War II (while I served my outfit was awarded a Distinguished Unit Citation and nine Campaign Stars). How dare this "weekend warrior" who took refuge in the Texas Air National Guard, who was never in a war zone, charge me in public with abhoring the military in which I enlisted and served with honor for three years?
I don't really care what kind of spin Mr. Campenni puts on President Bush's controversial military career, but he ought not to go after real patriots and shame himself by so blatantly showing his right-wing Republican zealotry.
Edgar A. Glick
Reston


http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/02-r11.pdf

William M. Campenni
Stuart AVL Technologies LLC


Posted June 6, 2003 http://archive.observernews.com/stories/archives/viewpoints/2003view/0...

Bush Avoided Combat
To the editor:
I am responding to comments by L. Boyd and William Campenni regarding George W. Bush's prior military service. It is no surprise they would jump to the defense of their Caesar in the making.
The Republicans are a cult of believers that they can do no wrong. Whatever they say or do is right, and everyone else must march in step with them or be the bad guys.
The reality of the matter is that President Bush used his family's influence to avoid combat duty in Vietnam, no matter how you twig it.
Albert L. Stewart
Reston

********UNQUOTE*******

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. And He's a Past President of the NG Association n/t
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. When I Googled Michael Campenni, I got ...
a bunch of crummy urologists in South America! Guess I screwed up some where, (or someone is trying to tell me something!)

O8)
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. Try "William" n/t
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:27 PM
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39. never heard the "employment in Florida" routine...n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:56 PM
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42. Also note...
"First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly — the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc."

A month or so. NOT 6 months. Not a year. WHY DIDN'T BUSH TAKE HIS PHYSICAL?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:16 PM
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46. Another couple of interesting tidbits from this letter....
Other documents I've seen (for which I'm sorry I can't recall links right now) indicate that the F-102A was being demobilized by the active duty Air Force by the late `60s, and the planes were being transferred to ANG units for air defense.

Campenni asserts in this letter that the TANG was shifting from the F-102A to the F-101, which he describes as a "new" airplane. At the time, if I recall correctly, the mission of the TANG unit at Ellington AFB was being reshaped to minimize its air defense function and concentrate on training other ANG pilots in the F-102A for air defense.

The newer plane Campenni describes is actually older than the F-102A. It's the McDonnell Douglas F-101 "Voodoo," and had been in service since the early `50s. Many of them were converted to reconnaissance use, which was clearly beyond the scope of an ANG training unit.

The other interesting item is about the flight physical (a point which I consider central to Bush's guard service). At the time, Ellington AFB was also an active duty station. It would have had a full-time flight surgeon, so arranging an appointment would hardly have been the difficult task Campenni suggests. Moreover, Bush did not temporarily miss one flight physical--his records show that his last flight physical was in mid-1971--he completely failed to appear for an annual flight physical thereafter, in both 1972 and 1973. And, what Campenni does not say is that ignoring a flight physical should be cause for disciplinary action, according to ANG regulations.

Removing him from flight status is a necessary condition for failing to appear for a physical. That order would have been rescinded had he appeared for a physical any time afterwards, and yet, there's no indication in the documents published that the order was rescinded. That order is separate and distinct from one requiring disciplinary action for failure to undertake a flight physical. But, it was the responsibility of Bush's commanders to initiate disciplinary action, and they did not--not for a US Representative's son....
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #46
54. Which would suggest that Campenni is not who he says he is
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:08 PM
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4. This. Guy. Is. From. Texas.
Alabama is at question.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:13 PM
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8. what a hero this defender of Texas is
Shame on Kerry, taking it easy in Vietnam while war heroes like Bush and this guy stepped up (when they weren't excused to go work on political campaigns) to defend America from the invasion of the Viet Cong.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:36 PM
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15. LOL, make that protect us from the invaders coming from
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:40 PM by JellyBean1
shark infested waters of the gulf of mexico.

This guy is a trip.

Edit to correct spelling of infested.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:12 PM
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6. Where did you find this information?
I searched my library's database of businesses/residences and found no mention of this company. I entered his name in the "Executive" search field and received no hits.

Where did you find this information?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. google
God's gift to researchers.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:35 PM
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14. I searched "Google" too...
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:41 PM by KansDem
... and found reference to a "Michael Campenni" as a co-author of some articles. I wonder if its the same person(?). I tried modifying the search by entering "Colonel" and "Col." before the name and still received no hits.

I checked the library's internet phone directory and did not find a "Michael Campenni" or "M. Campenni" in VA...

I'm baffled, but I'll keep searching...

(edited for clarity)
2nd edit: Actuall, "Michael Campenni" could have co-authored one article that's mentioned several times:

Stephen M. Saideman, David Lanoue, Michael Campenni, and Samuel Stanton, “Democratization, Political Institutions, and Ethnic Conflict: A Pooled, Cross-Sectional Time Series Analysis from 1985-1998,” Comparative Political Studies, Vol. 35, No. 1 (February 2002): 103-129.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. There is a Michael Campenni...
... teaching government at McLennan Community College in Waco, TX, and that is the likely co-author of the article cited. Note that the letter to the Washington Times is signed by a William Campenni.

Cheers.
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Serenity-NOW Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:13 PM
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7. Notice 'Massachusetts Democrat, et al.'
How come nobody ever calls Bush a Connecticut Republican?
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:49 PM
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49. He never mentions that he was born in CT
And we don't wish to claim him. Some repugs wanted to re-name the airport in New Haven after him, but the dem mayor said why, he always says he is from Texas. I know this could be construed as blasphemy, but CT repugs, in general, are not all bad. Lowell Weicker was great, I rather like Chris Shays and even Rob Simmons ain't all bad. The worst in Nancy and our dim wit governor.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:16 PM
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9. Texas service is not the issue.
where are the fellow pilots from Alabama?
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walkon Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:26 PM
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13. 1970 - 1971
Texas and a lot of blah, blah, blah. Did this guy really know Bush? I didn't catch anything that says he did. Same base, same patch, same commanders - different social circle. Nothing about '72-'73, Alabama and just a lot of speculation which he apparently feels he is entitled to but not those questioning Bush's claims of performing duty.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:16 PM
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37. I was just gonna say ... isn't it '72 and '73 that are in question?
Vouching for bush in 1970 and '71 are BESIDE THE POINT. WAY far afield of being even so close as to be "BESIDE" the point. And yes, let's talk Alabama, NOT Texas.

He's still flailin', kiddo.
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nixonwasbetterthanW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:24 PM
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10. Bush hoist by letter writer's petard

from the letter --

..
First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month's weekend drill assembly — the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.

If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.
...

So what? The letter writer only highlights Bush's dereliction:

Bush NEVER reported for the physical! He's got ALL those months after July '72 to find a doctor but NEVER does!! Why?!?




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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:25 PM
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11. Curious it appears in the Washington Times
:think:

thankee Rev. Moon
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:37 PM
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16. Might also be known as Bill? At least many other things match up
Alabama, Herndon, etc.

I don't know how to cite from a LexisNexis search, but found this article so far.

http://web.lexis-nexis.com/universe/document?_m=c55f674a75f51946c368d4fa4d13ebb3&_docnum=3&wchp=dGLbVtb-zSkVb&_md5=9dfbd0ec09e1555f6532a75c2b7e8f16

Richmond Times Dispatch (Virginia)

December 1, 2003 Monday City Edition

SECTION: AREA/STATE; Pg. B-1

LENGTH: 1017 words

HEADLINE: 9/11 SCENARIO FACED/ IN 1972, AIRMEN CONFRONTED POSSIBILITY OF HAVING TO SHOOT DOWN A HIJACKED AIRPLANE

BYLINE: Peter Bacque/ Times-Dispatch Staff Writer , Contact Peter Bacque at (804) 649-6813 or pbacque@timesdispatch.com,

BODY:
This time was different, Bill Campenni said.

The command "Stand by to arm" got his undiluted attention.

"Wait a minute," the air defense fighter pilot thought. "We don't do that."

On that dreary day in 1972, a military controller was ordering the Air National Guard captain to get ready to destroy a hijacked DC-9 airliner filled with Americans.

Three men with pistols and hand grenades had commandeered Southern Airways Flight 49 over Alabama on Nov. 10, 1972.

During a 29-hour ordeal that ended in Havana, the hijackers threatened to crash the jetliner into the nuclear facilities at Oak Ridge, Tenn., or into President Richard Nixon's home, nicknamed the "Southern White House," near Key Biscayne, Fla.

"They kind of told us we were going after an airliner: 'Be prepared for any eventuality,' " Campenni said.

Recent news stories detailing how U.S. fighter pilots are training for the grim possibility of shooting down hijacked civilian airliners did not shock Campenni, a 63-year-old retired Virginia Air National Guard colonel living in Herndon.


more

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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:44 PM
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18. Definately Bill or William
I just checked the Moonie Times, they cite William Campenni.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:21 PM
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38. What an amazing story!! Don't miss this.
Apparently there is a book about that hijacking put out by the pilot of SA 49.

Examine the amazing coincidences here--

This is the period of time Bush was AWOL. In fact, this is the week of the '72 general election.

Here's Bush's current day Wash. Times defender, actually serving in the Texas ANG. Where Bush was supposed to be.

They were ACTIVATED! And to do what? To shoot down a passenger plane that hijackers were threatening to use as a missile to strike a building--either Nixon's house in Florida or a nuke plant.

The only other time this happened was of course on 9/11.

Where was the plane hijacked? Alabama. Where was Bush? Alabama.

Talk about LIHOP. Talk about planting a seed! This is freakin' incredible.

Book excerpts here:

http://www.planesafe.org/cgis/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=253
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:36 PM
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40. Here it is at Richmond Times
http://tinyurl.com/2g3ov

9/11 scenario faced
In 1972, airmen confronted possibility of having to shoot down a hijacked airplane

BY PETER BACQUE
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER Dec 1, 2003


This time was different, Bill Campenni said.

The command "Stand by to arm" got his undiluted attention.

"Wait a minute," the air defense fighter pilot thought. "We don't do that."

On that dreary day in 1972, a military controller was ordering the Air National Guard captain to get ready to destroy a hijacked DC-9 airliner filled with Americans.

Three men with pistols and hand grenades had commandeered Southern Airways Flight 49 over Alabama on Nov. 10, 1972.

During a 29-hour ordeal that ended in Havana, the hijackers threatened to crash the jetliner into the nuclear facilities at Oak Ridge, Tenn., or into President Richard Nixon's home, nicknamed the "Southern White House," near Key Biscayne, Fla.

.... MORE!
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:47 PM
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41. Campenni was in Pittsburg when * AWOL
"Just out of graduate school, Campenni was a 32-year-old captain in the 146th, flying the F-102 Delta Dagger, the world's first supersonic all-weather jet interceptor, and "sitting alert" on Nov. 11, 1972." from that same article.

In his letter he point's out that Bush's group in TX, the 111th was subordinate to the 146th.

----

But see my earlier posting. The hijack story and Bush's close proximity to it is absolutely amazing in light of 9/11.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:40 PM
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17. Interesting. Of all the newspapers, he chose the Washington Times.
Hmmmm.....
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:58 PM
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24. This article is a variant of a LTTE published...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:51 PM
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21. Texas Air National Guard - A Refuge for the Privileged


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24423-2004Feb8.html

The earnest, fresh-faced spokesmen for the White House expressed shock at the view that the National Guard was ever made up of draft dodgers {"Bush's Military Record Defended," news story, Feb. 4}.

However, any man who was of draft age during the Cold War, and particularly during Vietnam, knows that the Guard was a refuge from the rice paddies for the well-connected.

As the Web site for the 49th Armored Division (Texas National Guard) delicately puts it: "Following World War II, the draft motivated enlistments through 1972; young men joined the guard to avoid interruption of their daily life for active duty."

The waiting list was measured in years. To bypass the waiting list, not only in Texas but in almost every Guard unit in the country, required "pull." George W. Bush's Air National Guard unit included the sons of Democratic Sen. Lloyd Bentsen, Republican Sen. John Tower and several Dallas Cowboys.

more


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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:52 PM
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22. Interesting spook association if same William Campenni
http://web.lexis-nexis.com/universe/document?_m=84d80d60a6b4e7834d33b31d71fa0ce9&_docnum=14&wchp=dGLbVtb-zSkVb&_md5=d73af54f5e2407c4c2889722452ef18e

Differences in the way Mir Aimal Kansi could spell his Pakistani name allowed the man accused of killing two CIA employees outside the agency's headquarters in 1993 to dance through institutional fences across the U.S. border.

Foreigners come to America to live and to work, but some of them come -legally and illegally -- to steal, to spy, to inflict death.

Now a Northern Virginia company that brings together linguists and computer scientists is helping the U.S. government make sure assassins, drug dealers and other undesirables do not add to the flood of people pouring into the United States just because a computer cannot recognize their names.

Language Analysis Systems Inc. is working with about 20 federal agencies to improve their sometimes uncoordinated efforts at counterterrorism, border control, drug interdiction and law enforcement by quickly identifying people with what are delicately termed ''prior ineligibilities'' for entry into the United States.

snip

One office may search for a name exactly the way it is spelled, while another uses sound-based computer approach, explained William Campenni, a consultant with Language Analysis Systems.

more
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:55 PM
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23. Might be an on-call debunker?
http://web.lexis-nexis.com/universe/document?_m=84d80d60a6b4e7834d33b31d71fa0ce9&_docnum=11&wchp=dGLbVtb-zSkVb&_md5=d2112a9cb0b48fb55d1773902852204f

When it comes to UFOs, the truth is still out there.

And it's probably right here on Earth, a new report says.

Released yesterday, the report comes from a panel of mainstream scientists who made the first independent study of UFO claims since 1970.

While some UFO sightings can't be explained right now, the report said, the causes are almost certainly natural, not extraterrestrial.

snip, but interesting

Bill Campenni, a retired Virginia Air National Guard colonel from Herndon, spent a lifetime piloting high-flying military aircraft.

As for UFOs, "I've never seen one and no one I know has seen one, and we've done a lot of flying."

While serving as an air defense pilot with the Pennsylvania Air Guard in Pittsburgh, Campenni remembered his unit receiving calls from the public reporting UFOs.

"After a while you began to detect a pattern: It was the same two or three people . They just wanted to talk to somebody," Campenni said. "More often than not, it was a stratus layer at 6,000 feet that some used-car dealer was running his searchlight up against."


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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:19 PM
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25. Another interesting confusion of information....
This article (on a hijacking of an airliner in 1972) places Campenni in Pittsburgh, with the Pennsylvania ANG in November, 1972:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1031442/posts

How could Campenni have known about Bush's Alabama adventures when he was with a unit in PA at the time?

Cheers.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:42 PM
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28. Simple really, he was with bush* in TANG in 1970 - 71!
It's very easy if you'll just look at the facts -s-

Good catch BTW
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:28 PM
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26. Um gee Campenni,I posted a doc yesterday showing Bama Service denied...
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 03:29 PM by OneTwentyoFive
Yeah,Bush sure as hell was in Alabama,but where are the offical orders ok'ing his transfer? The one I posted flatly denies Bush's request for transfer to the Alabama NG.

David
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Aries Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:30 PM
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27. Similar letter in the May 16 Observer ( from Oliver Willis' blog)
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 03:46 PM by Aries
http://www.oliverwillis.com/


February 11, 2004

Xeroxed?

This letter in the Washington Times from William Campenni (linked by Instapundit) is curiously identical to this one sent to the UK Observer.


(Edited to add link)
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:58 PM
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29. Not the UK observer
similar name, but a small newspaper chain in northern VA, including Herndon where this guy lives or works.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 04:07 PM
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30. Here's what ANOTHER TANG colonel says:
“Retired National Guard Lt. Col. Bill Burkett said Tuesday that in 1997, then-Gov. Bush's chief of staff, Joe Allbaugh, told the National Guard chief to get the Bush file and make certain "there's not anything there that will embarrass the governor."
Col. Burkett said that a few days later at Camp Mabry in Austin, he saw Mr. Bush's file and documents from it discarded in a trash can. He said he recognized the documents as retirement point summaries and pay forms.”


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/021104dnpolguard.b4fed.html
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:08 PM
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35. What has this to do with Bush being AWOL from Alabama?
No one's really disputed that Bush showed up for duty in TANG. It's when he was sent to Alabama that he disappeared for 18 months.

Talk about trying to distract the public with irrelevance...ooooh, look, shiny thing over there!
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:11 PM
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36. funny, i wondered the same thing
clearly this relevent. otherwise it wouldn't be a news item.

btw. hey geniph.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:28 PM
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58. Hi back atcha, enki
:hi:

(I've been hiding in the Lounge lately. Glad to see you're still with us.)
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:02 PM
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43. Who would purposly subject themselves to a journalist anal exam?
>What else can we find about this guy? Anyone got Nexis?

Maybe that's one reason people aren't coming forward. The press can be vicious. Even the original poster wants mud on this guy.

I wouldn't do it.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 08:01 PM
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51. Someone who thought that they had some useful info
Unless they were lying or had some sort of hidden agenda I think they are safe from the big bad librul media. I think that the original poster had that intent, to vet this source and it's reliability. There is nothing devious about that.

I think it is more likely people are not coming forward because they cannot honestly say anything that exonerates Bush.

I think this source is a great example of how the neocons are scared crapless over this. This guy avoided the issue entirely. It's hard to mitigate the damage when you are defending a liar and the lie is out in the open.

All they can do is distract.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:05 PM
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44. Points about the letter
First, for those doing research - look for the family connections. That seems to have been the key to getting into that unit.

Second, he admits that the guard was a refuge for draft avoidance, but say that guys who wanted to fly were an exception. If Bush wanted to fly, why did he allow himself to get grounded and go off to work on a doomed political campaign? I guess for Bush, learning election dirty-tricks sure beat flying a supersonic jet fighter.

I'm trying to remember - what month was he grounded? and what month is his birthday?


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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 07:15 PM
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50. His birthday is in early July...
... the 6th, I believe, and the order to ground him was in August, 1972. As far as I can determine from the documents Marty Heldt was able to get under FOIA, that order grounding him was never rescinded. He never appeared again for a physical after, I think, May, 1971.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:25 PM
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52. Campanni is a pretty rare name
The Social Security Death Index only shows 18 Campannis. One bunch in Queens, New York. Another in Pittston, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. (That's in eastern PA, not near Pittsburgh.) None at all in Texas, and nothing to explain how he wound up in the TANG.

If Campanni was 32 in 1972, though, he wasn't just a new enlistee. Perhaps Pittsburgh was his home territory and he was only in Texas briefly.


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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:29 PM
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53. I think...
...it's CampEnni.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 11:00 PM
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71. I did spell it wrong in the posting
But I looked it up properly, as Campenni, so it still holds true that there are only 18 of them.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:32 PM
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48. here's a lie
Campenni says: "Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user."

Every bit of research I've seen says the Pentagon began a program of random drug testing for pilots in April of 1972. One month before George dropped out.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:41 PM
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57. Am I just blind, or
does this man in fact AT ANY POINT in his letter state he KNEW the deserter, or even once actually laid eyes upon him AT ANY TIME? EVER??

That letter is full of so much spin I got nauseous just reading it.

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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:40 PM
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61. I think
you came through the wrong door..However, truth is truth, like it or not..Have a good evening.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:44 PM
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62. Buh Bye !!!
:hi:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:47 PM
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63. Hey Guys... Check Out The Profile... While It's Still There
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 09:05 PM by WillyT
Liberal tipping, huh???

LMAO
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:54 PM
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66. Thanks WillyT!
First time I've ever 'seen' it before it was already over! :evilgrin: :thumbsup:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:00 PM
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69. reply
You people are the most wretched bunch of partisan hacks I have ever seen and this thread proves it.

I'm proud to be partisan. Being partisan means standing for something. I stand for something.
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JMac Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:51 PM
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64. I knew this thread was around here somewhere
I couln't find this thread so I started one called 'History on Bill Campenni'. Here is a repost:

Bill Campenni
703-437-3555
1104 Iron Ridge Court
Herndon, VA 20170
Campenni@erols.com

Campenni is listed on page 34 as an unspecified stake holder in the Virginia Dept. of Transportation program known as the Northern Virginia Smart Travel Program.

http://www.vdot-itsarch.com/nova/docs/outreach.pdf

Mr. Campenni has a history of similarly right-wing Pro-Bush type unsolicited letter writing.

http://archive.observernews.com/stories/archives/viewpoints/2003view/0...

http://archive.observernews.com/stories/archives/viewpoints/2003view/0...

Mr. Campenni listed as an usher at Saint Joseph Church - Herndon, VA

http://www.sjcherndon.org/Ministries/USHERList.asp

Aslo listed as a past president of the Virginia National Guard Association (1995-1996).

http://www.vnga.org/exec_council/pastpres.htm
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:51 PM
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65. I read his letter
What am I missing here??? This guy said the Guard changed it's mission and changed from flying F-102's to F-101's.

Unless I'm missing something here, most ops upgrade their equipment. Isn't it true that when new planes are made, the ID #'s are higher on the new ones? i.e. F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18......

What did I miss here?
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:14 PM
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70. Where did Campenni go to Grad School?
He would have been in grad school in 71, according to the article posted earlier...
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