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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:15 PM
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GEORGE W. BUSH RELEASES MILITARY SERVICE RECORDS: GUILT PROVED



http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=9275

GEORGE W. BUSH RELEASES MILITARY SERVICE RECORDS. IT BACKFIRES.

President George W. Bush has had the White House release his disputed military pay records, and the results are not what George Bush obviously hoped for and what his PR man is spinning so superficially. Looking closer, the military service pay and retirement records prove that George Bush is GUILTY AS CHARGED by Sen. John Kerry and others.

The records show George W. Bush was paid for only 9 days' service between May 1972 and May 26, 1974, when his 6 years in the Texas Air National Guard were up. That's 9 days out of 2 years while your fathers, sons, brothers, comrades-in-arms, uncles, and friends were dying in Vietnam. In 2 years (24 months), a "normal" ANG member would have attended twenty-four 2-day weekend drills and two 2-week summer encampments: a total of 68 days. Bush served 9, according to the records just released.

The records basically show that Bush did not attend required drills for the final two years of his ANG service: guilty as charged. He had been ordered to attend "nine certain duty days in person during Summer Camp at Ellington AFB between May 22 and June 7." THOSE ARE THE 9 DAYS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS JUST UNEARTHED. THAT'S 9 DAYS OUT OF 2 YEARS. Apparently he did not serve at all - for 2 years - except for 9 days during one 2-week period.

President Bush was prematurely discharged from the Texas ANG on October 1, 1973 (the guys in the rice paddies should have been so lucky) to attend Harvard. BASICALLY, THE FACT REMAINS THAT, BETWEEN MAY 1972 AND OCTOBER 1, 1973, BUSH WAS ABSENT WITHOUT PERMISSION. THIS WOULD HAVE CONSTITUTED AWOL IF ANYONE NOTICED AND CARED. Senator Kerry and the Democrats have been generous in limiting claims of shirking to only the year between May 1972 and May 1973.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:22 PM
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1. This ploy crashed and burned
like Smirk at a frat party. It was pretty obvious Sunday that some "records" were going to surface. Rove must have thought the sheeple would fall for the whole lline of crap, but it's been roundly ridiculed. No one believes anything * says any more.

None of his old scams are fooling anyone any more. The Intelligence Commission is a joke, the WMD misdirection is failing. The OSP is soon going to be investigated, and the 9/11 widows are going to have their day in the light too, and *'s credibility is zero.

I fear a major distraction....
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:22 PM
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2. Heads gonna roll on this one.
"Alright, who released that shit w/o checking?"

Some poor pawn down there goona fall on the sword.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:22 PM
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3. (Jackpine jumping up & down) Don't forget the Flight Physical!
Anybody else would have been court martialled for failure to show up for a required physical. That's (at the least) disobeying the direct order of whoever signed the order for the physical, not to mention all kinds of other charges that would have been generated by this lapse. Maybe he eventually got an honorable discharge, but it was totally undeserved & any ex-military type who becomes acquainted with the details of the case would know it immediately.

Shit. We need to write the whole story up & leaflet the VFW halls across the land with it.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:55 PM
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15. As Kris Kristopherson said: "You've been reading my mail."
All this is well and good, but Jackpine is right: "Don't forget the Flight Physical." Why? In my opinion, it is the alpha-star in the constellation of Bu$h's "Bright Shining Lies," to borrow a term from Neil Sheehan. It is one of the most contradictory lies he has had the gall to foist on us foolks (since "sheeple" is out, I'll coin a new term). Two salient points:

1. It is the lie that he is caught in. Flat-ass caught. Bu$h said that he did not/could not comply with the requirement (USAF requirement) of an annual flight physical because of the unavailability of his personal physician (perhaps because he was in Alabama). Max-Nix!, as my German prof at Georgia Tech used to say. Bu$h's personal physician couldn't do the flight physical anyway (nor could his batman, chauffeur, prostate masseuse, or coke-dealer). USAF REGS dictate that a USAF-approved flight surgeon only can give said physical exam.

2. Photo copies of Guard Bureau orders (Pentagon commanders, not local Texas Guard commanders) indicate that Bu$h and Bath were both suspended at the same time, for the same reason (failure to comply with USAF REGS concerning the flight medical exam). The same orders specified (ie, ORDERED) that Lts. Bush and Bath comply with AF REG so-and-so-and-so-and-so. Bu$h never returned to flight status. I am still checking on Bath. Bath, by all accounts, became a CIA Toady of the BFEE.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:23 PM
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4. Time for us to go to Orange.
terror terror terror
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:26 PM
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5. If this is true, not since Nixon and the infamous transcripts.....
has a president so miscalculated on the effect of "coming clean" or what Haldeman (or maybe it was Erlichman) called a "modified limited hangout". The records really show he only served 9 days in two years and the "norm" would be 68? My mind boggles at this. I can't believe he couldn't have found a way to keep this under wraps until after the election.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:26 PM
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6. Thank You, Sir!
This is a huge blowup.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:27 PM
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7. Next question? Who authorized the honorable discharge status?
Who forged the documents or was culpable in excusing this deserter from his national duty?

GWB is a big wimp.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:31 PM
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9. You can get an HD w/o completing service
Someone here posted the other day that an HD does not indicate much of anything. The poster said that he was with an outfit that gave a guy an HD who was too stoned to serve.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:31 PM
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18. In Bush's case, an "honorable discharge" means
that George W. Bush was the son of a senator.

The son of a senator could shoot his commanding general on purpose and receive an honorable discharge. Obviously Dubya didn't do that, nothing even close to that, so an honorable discharge is a no-brainer for him.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:28 PM
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8. These records do not exonerate b*sh. See Calpundit's column...
...which, by the way, obtained and published the records before the WH released them.

http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003220.html
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:37 AM
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19. Unfortunately, for the period May 72 to May 73, they DO exonerate him.
The Personnell Record Card shows * earned 9 points for Active Duty Training and 32 points for UTA (Unit Training Assembly) attendance between May 27, 1972 and May 26, 1973.

The 9 points for Active Duty Training + 32 points for UTA attendance + the 15 "Freebie" points everybody gets = a "good" year.

I want to hang this bastard worse than you can imagine, but these documents are not going to do it.

For what it's worth, I served in the Air Force reserve for over 6 years following my 4 years of active duty.

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gonefishing Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:37 PM
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10. Bang the drum slowly
He has been getting away with this kind if stuff all of his life and it is finally catching up with him.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:39 PM
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11. minor quibble
GUILTY AS CHARGED by Sen. John Kerry and others

I believe Senator Kerry has correctly left this issue for others to investigate ... i think this was the correct political strategy ...

nice to see bush playing defense day after day ... pretty tough to play offense and defense at the same time ...
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:40 PM
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12. the news this morning
said terry mcauliff came out and said the records appear to exonerate the president. How come hes so quick to dismiss this? More insider favor trading?
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:45 PM
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13. Why indeed?
Why was Gephardt so quick to exhonerate Trent Lott after his racist comments? Dem pols need to grow some balls - sometimes they need our help!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:56 PM
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16. Not true. You must have been listening to FOX news or something?
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040210_2410.html

<snip>"These documents outline the days on which he was paid. That means he served," said Bush spokesman Scott McClellan. However, Democrats were dismissive of the newly released records.

"The handful of documents released today by the White House creates more questions than answers," said Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe.

McAuliffe had helped reignite the story earlier this month when he charged Bush had gone "AWOL." With Vietnam War veteran John Kerry emerging as the Democratic presidential front-runner, Democrats have been trying to stoke longstanding questions about Bush's service in the Guard during the war.

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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:52 PM
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14. Cocaine
Not only did he do the bare minimum (for him, ordinary people couldn't get away with it) but I would bet that there is truth behind the stories about him getting busted for cocaine.

My theory is that he got busted and the TANG found out, but given that he was Prescott Bush's grandson and GWHBush's son he got special treatment. The record got expunged after he did some community service. The TANG let him essentially take him self off flight status by skipping the physical and there after he basically stopped participating in the NG except for the bare minimum to get a "honorable" discharge.

An ordinary citizen would have been screwed many times over in that situation, but not George W. Bush. It makes me want to puke :puke:

But if this is what they are covering up it will come out in the end one way or the other. :evilgrin:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:58 PM
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17. Aaaron Brown Just Did His Tomorrow's Headlines! Wow!
A lot of headlines about AWOL and ALL said essentially questions NOT answered by the docs provided!!!
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