Forget AWOL. Focus on the missed flight physical & suspension from flying

[DemoTex]

Lt. Bu$h lost his qualification to fly an F-102 (or a Piper Cub, for that matter) when he failed to take his flight physical and was suspended from flying. This is the most salient point of Bu$h's sorry service record: WHY DID BU$H, ON HIS OWN, DECIDE NOT TO FLY ANYMORE AND INCUR A SUSPENSION FROM FLYING BY NOT MAINTAINING THE REQUIRED MEDICAL QUALIFICATION? This one point is the crux of all others. Why would TANG let him back in the unit if he were not qualified to fly? Why would AANG take him, even into a non-flying billet, given the fact that he had, de facto, disobeyed an order from a superior officer to take a flight physical? Submission to the flight physical, which is required of all pilots operating under the auspices and regulations of the USAF (as was TANG), IS NOT AN OPTION; IT IS A MANDATE. USAF REGS are about as inflexible and hard-core as it gets. Those regulations are not bent or broken without serious consequences. These are just about the only talking points you need on this subject. All others derive from the missed flight physical. Hammer Bu$h on the flight physical. The flight physical is the linchpin to nailing Bu$h on his pitiful TANG record.

[TahitiNut]

1. Exactly.

Pay records? Gimme a break. :eyes: That proves exactly nothing.

The "AWOL" stuff, while essentially true, is merely a firewall to obscure the fact that he plea-bargained six months of community service for an arrest on drug charges -- probably along with James R. Bath. Not only was he not fit for duty, he's not fit for anything else.

[DemoTex]

4. Sing it brother!

Amen!

[Taeger]

41. Pay records PROVE something

It proves that Bush accepted money that he didn't earn. If the White House records are legit, Bush cashed checks knowing full well that he didn't earn them.

This might be the nail that finally seals Bush's coffin.

[DinahMoeHum]

46. Yeah, it means he got paid for a "no-show" job. . .

just like a patronage job for/from/or by a political hack.


:kick:

[ThomWV]

2. I Will Agree That It Is Of Equal Importance

And to be absolutly honest with it it is the one that I find so abhorent - that he could willingly disobey a regulation that called for the Physical and not face any penality and get away with it. That is astounding to this old vet.

Thom
RVN: 1967-1970

[Gman]

3. This document is the real issue

[TahitiNut]

6. That's the "smoking gun".

From that point until today, James R. Bath has been a protected insider of the Busholini Cabal. It's pretty clear the Bush and Bath were fellow druggies. It's pretty clear that Bush plea-bargained a drug bust for 6 months or more of community service in Houston. One could even guess they tried to have the specious "campaign work" credited as community service. A couple of weekend warriors probably thought the weekend was better spent snorting (and selling?) coke -- and got caught.

[DemoTex]

7. Notice who and what generated this order (and it is an ORDER):

Maj. Gen. Francis Greenlief, USA, the Chief of the National Guard Bureau and his Executive Officer Col. Timm, USAF. These are regular US Army and USAF officers from the active duty branch which oversees the operation of the various guard units, including TANG. The is not a locally generated document from the politically susceptible head-shed of TANG!

[TahitiNut]

14. It should be noted (for those not blessed with military experience) ...

... that the sentence beginning "Off<icer> will comply ..." is not conjecture, prognostication, or prediction. That's the military's wonderful way of ordering someone to do something, i.e. report and take the freaking physical. Short of death or severe disability, failure to comply is willful disobedience and is the kind of thing that filled cells at Leavenworth. For that particular order, even death or disability wouldn't be an excuse.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. A Texan friend of mine

said that in the 90's Shrub asked an associate to fly with him. Shrub took off, landed again, took off, and was such a lousy pilot the associate said he'd never fly with the Shrub again.

[Lisa]

53. I hadn't heard about the '90s, but for sure he nearly crashed a Cessna ...

... in the 1970s. The passenger was none other than Don Evans, currently in the Cabinet. The story's been verified.

http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm

"Evans said he'd love to go flying. At the airport he watched Bush stare at the controls, at the panel, and he realized that Bush-though not
admitting it-had no idea how to fly the thing properly. After finally figuring out how to launch the plane, Bush pushed the Cessna hard
down the runway. Evans screamed, "Give it some gas!" The Cessna's warning system was blinking and crackling. Bush tried to lift his
craft fast, almost as if he were piloting a jet back in the Texas Air National Guard. The plane wobbled into the air, and the unsubtle
maneuvering threatened to shove it into a stall."


*all together now -- "There's one terrible pilot!"

[burrowowl]

61. Had he renewed his pilot's license

You have to do some 'take-offs' and 'landings' to keep license current. Otherwise, he was flying illegally.

[Gasolinedream]

8. Can someone help clarify...

I am hearing he was paid for 9 days or 6 days of duty in a year's time. How does that prove he was there? I don't htink they are even saying 9 times. THey are saying 9 total days?? In a year??

[Rufus T. Firefly]

9. Remember the DUI story...

...that came out just before Election Day 2000? It was to throw everyone off the scent of the National Guard story. Now the AWOL part is being used to throw us all off the "he snorting blow like there was no tomorrow, so he didn't want to get tested" story.

[Gman]

11. Sit back and watch. The show is just beginning...

the DWI is next. Then it'll be insider trading. Just let the AWOL issue simmer and stew until its well done before we put on the next course. When we're through with him he'll be lucky to get 10% of the vote.

[Jose Diablo]

32. Oh, there will be more than even we know about

You can be sure the "issues" will get out there when needed. Think CIA retribution. The white hats are pissed. I would not be surprised if a "mutiny" started.

Maybe thats why shrub seems so nervous. Remember when Carter fired 600 agents in the CIA, and what happened to him?

But this would be,

:tinfoilhat:

[Taeger]

43. Right

Bush pissed off the CIA for no good reason at all. There will be retaliation.

[nostamj]

10. you're absolutely right

hopefully, AWOL is only the opening shot, something to weaken him.

the missed physical is the coup de grace

so i wrote this rant

[madrchsod]

12. i posted something on this

earlier today. i related it to that blue collar american workers can grasp this easier because every worker has to pass a drug test and if they get hurt and there`s drugs in your blood -rehab or the door. it`s alot easier to argue that point in the lunch room than all the paper stuff. i still think the democrats should have hammered him on this first..but i`m just an unemployed steel working guy,what the fuck do i know...

[Q]

13. Dereliction of duty...disobeying an order...grounded...

...and this prick has the audacity to dress up in a flight suit, pretend to land on a carrier and play war hero / fighter pilot?

- ?

[DemoTex]

15. I just emailed the Randi Rhodes Show the text of my original post

Another thread says that she is wound-up today on AWOL.

[nostamj]

16. she is! hope she reads it

listening now. will report if I hear anything on the physical

[peekaloo]

17. Would Keith Olbermann touch this?

[e-mail]


I sent an inquiry but it couldn't hurt for those with military expertise to expound on the subject.

Rave on Demo Tex!

[DemoTex]

18. Sent

Thanks Peekaloo!

[randr]

19. The guy that would not fix the record?

Somewhere in the back of my mind is the memory of reading about some poor guy in Texas who was asked to alter some of *s' documents before they were buried in some vault. As I remember this guy was part of the Texas National Guard and was forced out and then refused benefits for not going along. He was also suffering from some dread disease, if my memory serves me.
Anyone else ever come across this?

[Karenina]

20. Bill Burkett???

?

[randr]

21. Maybe--I definitely read about it somewhere just can't remember

[Karenina]

24. Here it is.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/05/28_Scrubbed.html

Scrubbed, shrubbed or scoured, YOU be the judge...

[OneTwentyoNine]

22. Yeah and the other name with his--James Bath,as in CIA James Bath

Wonder if Jimmy could shed some light as to why BOTH of them decided not to take the physical? Couldn't have been from having some alcohol in the blood stream,hell all those hot shot pilots drank.

How bout some coke or something else.....


David

[DemoTex]

28. James Bath, used-aircraft salesman extraordinaire, bon-vivant, CIA-guy.

As an avid reader of Trade-A-Plane for decades, I remember the full page ads for JB&A (Jim Bath & Associates). I would drool over the airplanes listed on JB&A's brokerage sheet. So did the Bin Laden family, evidently. Jim Bath sold a North American Sabreliner (Sabre 65, I think) to a member of the Bin Laden family. That might have been the least of his business dealings with the Saudi family, especially if you consider Bath's role as intermediary between the Bu$h Family and the Bin Ladens. Read these (the Bill White interview responses are badly formatted on the page, but persevere .. it's worth it):

http://sanderhicks.com/billwhite.html


http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-09-19/mecklin.html

[Taeger]

44. Any Iran-Contra ties

Part of the Iran Contra scandal was the "lending" of Cargo planes to the Forestry service which then subequently "dissapeared" into the hands of drug smugglers.

Could Mr. Bath have any connection given he was a CIA man and Bush henchmen????

[DemoTex]

47. My gut feeling: Yes.

Why? A guy I knew (not really a friend) was killed in a CFIT (controlled flight into terrain) accident in Central America in the mid-80s flying a Mitsubishi MU-2 twin-turboprop. I have a gut feeling that this was bread-and-butter for Jim Bath, to wit: Selling airplanes to the CIA, registering airplanes for the CIA (blind registration), and perhaps operating aircraft for the CIA.

Anyone with access to LexisNexis PM me and I'll give you a name and some other keywords to initiate a search.

On edit: I forgot to add, this guy was from Houston and active in a local aviation business association that Bath headed for a time.

[Taeger]

50. Best Google Results

http://www.bilderberg.org/boneswar.htm

Jan. 30 1976 - Mar. 9 1977: George Bush Snr. made Director of CIA. During this period a number of the CIA’s ‘clandestine aircraft were sold to Skyway Airline, owned by James Bath who had served in the military reserve with George W. Bush Jnr.(son of George Bush Snr.). Bath was the US representative of Salem bin Laden, a brother of Osama bin Laden. George Bush Jnr. formed the oil company Arbusto Energy. George Bush Snr. flies to London at the height of the 'MI5 Wilson Plot' to assure British Prime Minister Harold Wilson that if he had been under surveillance it was not the CIA which had been responsible. This was reported in the Sunday Times on 29th March 1981 under the headline 'The Hollis affair' and in 'The profession of intelligence', part 5, BBC Radio 4, 10th February 1982.


1978: James Bath invests $50,000 in Arbusto Energy

1979: During Jimmy Carter’s presidency, & as a result of the Sandanista rebellion led by Daniel Ortega, the Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza fled the country.

Jan. 20 1981: Ronald Reagan now president with George Bush Snr. hisVice-President. Defeat of the left-wing Sandanistas became an immediate aim of the Reagan Administration, & this was to be implemented using secretive methods (which were later to prove illegal) under the control of the Special Situations Group, whose chairman was Vice-President George Bush Snr. (who had wrested this post from Secretary of State Alexander Haig early on). Enter Lieutenant-Colonel Oliver North who served on both the Inter-Departmental Group on Terrorism & the Terrorist Incident Working Group - both under Bush. They were to set-up, finance & arm an anti-Sandanista militia, the Contras, using neighbouring Guatemala as a training ground.

1983: Contras begin offensive against Sandanistas in Nicaragua.

Apr. 1984: US congress refuses to authorise $24 million aid to Contras requested by Reagan.

1984: Arbusto Energy Inc. proves to be an unsuccessful venture & is bought out by another oil company, Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. George W. Bush Jnr. is made president of Spectrum.

[Karenina]

52. More here:

http://www.namebase.org/main2/James-R-Bath.html

[Kool Kitty]

23. I'm glad that you posted this.

I watched the press briefing earlier this afternoon (it is being repeated right now on C-SPAN), and I noticed that mealy-mouth simp Scotty blew this question off, TWICE. The reporter (I don't know his name, but he's there every day) finally said to Scott, "I just want you to answer a simple question-where was he from 1972-1973, and why didn't he have the physical, which made him unqualified to fly for that time?" I think, like you, that this is the most important question. And this might not matter much, but I also remember W giving some sort of speech in Alaska where he mentioned that he lived there in 1973, and learned a lot up there. What the hell does that mean? And the only time mentioned in the new documents seems to say that he was only paid nine times? Out of a 2-year period? Does that seem right to anyone?

[kath]

57. Actually, it was the summer of 1974 that he spent in Alaska

Story here: (found on Bushwatch.com):

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/21/politics/21ALAS.html?ex=1076648400&en=779d2a4b92521e5e&ei=5070

[LibertyorDeath]

25. Kick

[buycitgo]

26. yah mon!

I started a couple threads on that, including one discussing my conversation on a radio show, in which I made EXACTLY that assertion:

the AWOL/missing days are not that important, nor as easily understandable as WHY he quit flying, and WHY he didn't take that physical

OR why he didn't have to serve out those eight months.

As Max Cleland said, there are/were thousands and THOUSands of guardsmen who'd have loved to have cut their service short by 11 PER CENT!

especially those who are serving over in Iraq as we speak.

Begala brought up these points today on Xfire, BTW

[Brian Sweat]

27. The official Bush line is that he didn't need to take the physical

because he transferred to Alabama and since they didn't have his plane in the AANG, he wouldn't be able to fly anyway.

My guess is that a close examination of the facts will show the to be spin at best.

[Nashyra]

29. Can we pound the media with this

Veterans please get in touch with the media. This can be hammered and hammered, get the mdia interested in the Bath connection.

[DemoTex]

30. It is crap at best ...

It is a murderous lie, at worst. The failure to learn the truth about George W. Bu$h in 2000 resulted in his becoming the 43rd president and, ultimately, in the deaths of 529+ US military men and women and thousands of Iraqis. The "Flight Physical" lie is particularly egregious, because it is so disingenuous and transparent that it should have, in 2000, stood out as the brightest in George W. Bu$h's constellation of bright shining lies.

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[geniph]

33. Beautiful, Mac

let's see them explain that away.

(without invoking Poppy's influence of course - the fact that his father was a powerful politician had NOTHING to do with him receiving an honorable discharge despite his apparent complete disregard of regs.)

[ComerPerro]

34. drugs drugs drugs drugs drugs

That's what its all about

[trof]

35. Hey, DT! I got the numbers.

Check my thread on GD.

[DemoTex]

37. Thanks trof! Everyone check it out at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1106466

[Pobeka]

36. Air Reserve Force disciplinary unit -- related?

From http://www.calpundit.com/

ARF!....No, this is not the sound that Barney makes when the White House staff is late with dinner.

<snip>

ARF is the reserves, and among other things it's where members of the guard are sent for disciplinary reasons. As we all know, Bush failed to show up for his annual physical in July 1972, he was suspended in August, and the suspension was recorded on September 29. He was apparently transferred to ARF at that time and began accumulating ARF points in October.

ARF is a "paper unit" based in Denver that requires no drills and no attendance. For active guard members it is disciplinary because ARF members can theoretically be called up for active duty in the regular military, although this obviously never happened to George Bush.

To make a long story short, Bush apparently blew off drills beginning in May 1972, failed to show up for his physical, and was then grounded and transferred to ARF as a disciplinary measure.

<snip>

[DemoTex]

38. I'm trying to correlate the ARF info with what W-H released today

I find myself in a big cone of confusion.

[Taeger]

39. Bush has just sunk his boat for good???

The final Bush has been set in Bush's coffin.

We know all to well that Bush was sent off to ARF for deriliction of duty. Now the White House has come forward with paystubs showing that Bush WAS paid.

The problem is if he showed up and drilled, why was disciplined. Was he credited with time that he did not drill??? If so, did he cash the checks????

If he cashed the checks, he has commited fraud. Not only did he WASTE government money by failing to fly out his days in Tang, he has also STOLEN money from Uncle Sam by cashing checks for drills THAT HE DIDN'T DO!!!!!

Not only is Bush a derilict drug addict, HE IS ALSO A THIEF!!!!!


The flip-side, is that it may have been an elaborate trap from the beginning. Bush may have avoided releasing these records just so political opponents would trump up an issue than end up with egg on their face. Though, I seriously doubt it.

Here's hoping that Bush has released the evidence that he has STOLEN money from Uncle Sam!!!!

[Karenina]

45. I wish I had it together to post images.

There's an old photoshopped one of the *smirk that would be sooo apropos here.

We long since passed the "egg on the face" phase. Now there's more blood than a Hollywood slasher flick splashed all over. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This ain't no foolin' around.

It's a question of CHARACTER.

Seems li'l Jimmy B. be the only one who seen da *dauphin back dem days... where he be, anyway?

[DemoTex]

49. Damn right, Karenina! It is a question of character.

Character, indeed, should be a major thrust in any revelations of the truth behind the life and times of George W. Bu$h!

[proud patriot]

40. Norah O'Donnell just reported the flight suspension on Hardball

:D

[Jacobin]

42. Ooooh, time to send a big valentine bouquet to norah

:loveya:

[David Zephyr]

48. I Agree, DemoTex. My Sister Says the Same Thing.

Why did he lose his qualifications to fly.

The jackass actually said that he quit flying because they stopped making his plane.

My sister agrees with you, DemoTex.

It's the missing the physical and suspension from flying.

[Dees]

51. Flight physical, why Monkeynuts didn't make captain and

a half dozen people standing behind the coward stating that they served with * in AANG

[DemoTex]

54. Kick for the late night crowd

Shameless, but important.

[JackRiddler]

55. Yes, this is the nub of the issue

and well worth nailing him on, given the chickenhawk hypocrisy of his crew, their politics, their wars...

[wellstone_democrat]

56. kick

:kick:

[Pobeka]

58. Kicking for the late night west coast crowd. n/t

[The Magistrate]

59. An Excellent Point, Mr. Tex

This thing is not going to go away....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[DemoTex]

60. Thank you sir.

Your support is a boon to our cause. We are, indeed, focused on ending the regime of "those Bush Bastards!" When we win, the party shall be open: Black Tie; White Tie; Bolo Tie; Tie-Dye; Neck-Tie; Bye-Bye, etc, etc.!

See you at the victory party!

[NNN0LHI]

62. This post is too important to let die n/t