Bush served 9 Days May 72 to May 73 - Is that a Sorry Record?

[RamboLiberal]

The documents indicate that Bush received credit for nine days of active duty between May 1972 and May 1973, the period that has been cited by Democrats as evidence that Bush shirked his military responsibilities

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20040210/D80KIDJ80.html?PG=home&SEC=news

Isn't that kinda sorry-a**ed record? Does NG have to serve two weeks a year like Reserves? Sure wasn't putting in one weekend a month.

[metisnation]

1. "I can't prove it but I was paid"

Just like thousands of other ghost payrolling operations. BUSHIT! Time to make GW a ghost.

[Redleg]

2. Yes, considering the Reserve and Guard consider one

weekend drill to be 4 days and that the normal Reserve and Guard obligation is for one weekend drill per month and two weeks during the summer as a minimum. A hot-shot pilot like Bush would need to log a certain number of flight hours to remain qualified.

[DemoTex]

10. "A hot-shot pilot like Bush ..."

Redleg sez: "A hot-shot pilot like Bush would need to log a certain number of flight hours to remain qualified."

DemoTex sez: It was not a question of "remaining" qualified. He lost his qualification to fly a F-102 (or a Piper Cub, for that matter) when he failed to take his flight physical and was suspended from flying. This is the most salient point of Bu$h's sorry service record: WHY DID BU$H, ON HIS OWN, DECIDE NOT TO FLY ANYMORE AND INCUR A SUSPENSION FROM FLYING BY NOT MAINTAINING THE REQUIRED MEDICAL QUALIFICATION? This one point is the crux of all others. Why would TANG let him back in the unit if he were not qualified to fly? Why would AANG take him, even into a non-flying billet, given the fact that he had, de facto, disobeyed an order from a superior officer to take a flight physical? Submission to the flight physical, which is required of all pilots operating under the auspices and regulations of the USAF (as was TANG), IS NOT AN OPTION; IT IS A MANDATE. USAF REGS are about as inflexible and hard-core as it gets. Those regulations are not bent or broken without serious consequences. These are just about the only talking points you need on this subject. All others derive from the missed flight physical. Go yee, and spread the word.

[RamboLiberal]

12. DemoTex I agree with you

But I'm wondering how we get our dumbass media to focus on this. We need an ex-Air Force or pilot to get on the talking heads show and start pushing this.

Maybe it would also bring his alleged drug use back to the fore again. That too got quickly buried in 2000.

[DemoTex]

16. I just sent the above text to The Randi Rhodes Show

It will be the core of many letters-to-editors and an op/ed piece that I will do in the next couple of days.

[Lisa]

15. something that'd be handy -- examples of other pilots who were punished

Particularly from the TANG.

It would be very interesting if we could find some situations from that time period where people were more seriously penalized than the Shrub, for similar infractions. For one thing, that would make it harder for Bush's supporters to claim that "oh that was standard for the time, it wasn't a big deal". Bush's goofing around in an airplane (even a non-military one) may not have been a problem back then, but as you say, if they were strict about rules pertaining to flight physicals etc., it raises that many more questions about why he was cut so much slack.

[Drifter]

3. That's par for the course ...

with this slacker.

A majority of the days this coward has been in office, he has been either campaigning, vacationing, or running scared.

Cheers
Drifter

[placton]

4. Where is the REAL record-a DD 214?

Max Cleland apparently indicates there is a form which states EACH DAY SERVED on it. Didn't Bush promise chickenshit interviewer just last Sunday to turn over ALL records? Could it be that we are being lied to? That only partial information is being presented by the Bush Junta? Oh, the horror!

added: the form is designated as a "DD Form 214"

[Jivenwail]

7. Yes DD 214

This is given to everyone who leaves the military and is often used as a form of referral when applying for jobs. We hire a lot of veterans and transitioning military and ask for a copy of their DD 214 when we ask for their references.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. And if a freeper says "Viet Nam is history"

remind him that character stays with a person. The Chimp's non-service, after being given the TANG position over the heads of hundreds of others, is just another example of how he has taken advantage of his family's power to get what he wants. Goes right along with his sterling grades at Yale.

[Karenina]

6. "Is that a Sorry Record?"

YES. And I challenge anyone who looks at the *dimwit's past adventures and show us ANYTHING that is NOT a "SORRY RECORD."

[ThomWV]

8. The DD-214 Won't Show A Thing

The DD-214 will only show an AWOL if he was charged with an AWOL. He was not charged so it will not show the days lost - that is how it was described in those days, maybe now too. The crime here is not only that he didn't serve when he was required to, its that he was able to get away with it.

Look, I got my pay records a couple of years ago. They don't provide a summary, nothing like that. What they give you is your pay stubs, the ones you had to sign for. I have no idea what that crap was that was being waived around at the news conference. It surely wasn't pay records though.

[Torgo4]

9. Or...Why Was 6 Months Tacked On To His 6 Year Term???

Days are only added to an enlistment contract if the person was AWOL and those days must be made up.

Bush's original enlistment/service contract was for 6 Years, starting May 24, 1968. (to May 24, 1974)

His FINAL discharge was November 21, 1974. Addition of 178 days.

How'se come????? :wtf:


The St Louis National Personnel Records center has confirmed that Bush had approximately six months tacked onto his military obligation:

[SoCalDem]

14. Hmmmm. aboiut the "tampering".. re: Bartlett

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. I just keep thinking about those NG in Iraq

with the sign in the front of their truck that said, "ONE WEEKEND A MONTH MY ASS".

W might have done 9 days in over a year, well under the required amount of time and he claims he did his duty? While he sends 1000's of NG to Iraq for a year at a time, then home for a couple of months and then back again? @!?$$**?/@

[Stephanie]

13. What exactly was released? Has anyone posted the actual docs?

I see articles about the press conference but no docs.

[Athletic Grrl]

18. Stephanie,

it did appear that everyone at the PC today got a copy of whatever it was that the little toady McClellend was waving around. I imagine they'll be online shortly.

Now let's see if they do in fact provide the "more legible copies" they promised. *crickets*

[lebkuchen]

17. The way I see Chimpy's AWOL days, his piss would have had the street value

of about $6,000.